A Day Without Women in Our Public Schools on March 8?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:yep - there's a sure fire way to build credibility and support with the community and the kids... Better to show up and teach - uphold your values (reminder: caring for kids and concerned that they be responsible, honest, hard working and fair)

I'm a teacher and I'll be in school. But comments like this disgust me. So so so tired of being told what I should sacrifice (pay for supplies for kids, classroom materials, work hours you will never know about, answer parent emails evenings and week-ends at the expense of taking care of my own family, etc etc etc) because "it's for the kids." If any person does work that benefits the community it's for the kids. All people who work for personal enrichment over community benefit are the people you can direct your insufferable finger wagging toward. I'm already working for the kids and I don't object to anyone who takes off to say: notice that if I'm not here, it makes a difference.
One day is not going to ruin anyone's education. #45's taken more time off since he's been in office than I have the whole school year. Tell me who worked harder this week. My lessons don't come by TelePrompTer and they're not written by someone else.
I'll be in school, but keep your missplaced self-righteousness away, please.

If you don't want restrictions on when you can take time off, don't get into teaching. You knew it was a part of the job when you took it. Also, what do you think will happen as a result of this protest? Higher pay, better benefits, more respect? All these protests are ridiculous. Let's hope no teachers lose their jobs like some of the poor immigrants who thought it was a good idea to not show up to work to protest. Where was all this sense of urgency prior to the election? Also, teachers get paid what they are paid because there is no quality control and administrators let incompetent or outright mean teacher who shouldn't be teaching kids stay in the classroom. When that changes, maybe I'll be more sympathetic.

I'm not complaining about my job. I'm objecting to people who think women teachers owe more "because it's for the children." I've had to buy my own pens to fill out forms I was required to fill out because the school wouldn't give me any pens. I don't see schools full of men. Maybe these protests - and I will be in school on the 8th - do mean something. Why don't equal numbers of men go in to teaching? If you really understand the answer to that question, you would be bderstand why some women are choosing not to go to work that day.

Women have equal choices as men to not teach. Many women choose teaching to have summers off with their kids. That's a choice they make. I made the choice to work for less as a lawyer so I can have more time with my kids. That's a choice I made. I don't then complain that all my male friends who didn't make that choice make more than I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

No one should feel personally responsible for gender pay inequity, because it's been thoroughly debunked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

I don't view teaching as women's work. No one is making women go into teaching. I considered teaching, but chose not to because of the pay. Just like I chose not to be a social worker. It is a choice. I don't think it's a secret that teachers' salaries aren't "high." It is about personal responsibility. If you don't want the pay associated with a job, don't take it. When there isn't enough supply, salaries will go up. If you keep supply up and then whine about the pay, nothing really happens to make the situation better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

I don't view teaching as women's work. No one is making women go into teaching. I considered teaching, but chose not to because of the pay. Just like I chose not to be a social worker. It is a choice. I don't think it's a secret that teachers' salaries aren't "high." It is about personal responsibility. If you don't want the pay associated with a job, don't take it. When there isn't enough supply, salaries will go up. If you keep supply up and then whine about the pay, nothing really happens to make the situation better.

... oh well you don't view that way, so that settles that.

[Anonymous]

I actually had scheduled time off on Wednesday to take my elderly mom to a doctor's appointment out of town and we rescheduled to another day so that I won't be out. I in no way want anyone to misconstrue my absence as support for this 'march'.

[Anonymous]

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

Do a little research.

Women are paid less on average because they choose to take time off to raise kids. This is happening less and less, but it still affects the average.

The other reason is that men demand more. Women who are not being paid what they should also can demand more.

Many of the Dem politicians who complain about pay inequity have the same inequity on their own staffs. (See HRC when she was in Congress.)

This has nothing to do with legislation.

[Anonymous]

I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Finally. Common sense speaks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

I don't view teaching as women's work. No one is making women go into teaching. I considered teaching, but chose not to because of the pay. Just like I chose not to be a social worker. It is a choice. I don't think it's a secret that teachers' salaries aren't "high." It is about personal responsibility. If you don't want the pay associated with a job, don't take it. When there isn't enough supply, salaries will go up. If you keep supply up and then whine about the pay, nothing really happens to make the situation better.

... oh well you don't view that way, so that settles that.

Are you saying women don't have a choice about their career paths? Teaching used to be women's work because that was one of the few career paths they could take. Today the choices are endless. Males who chose teaching as a career path make the same, they are not somehow given a special salary scale. We each need to own choices. The victim complex gets old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Anyone can do your job. Most professionals would do a much better job, but they chose better careers. You chose to have summer off, so you don't deserve to be well compensated. You only work from 8am to 3 pm. You have all holidays off. Male teachers make less ( or the same as female teachers) because they are doing women's work. If they would nut up and find a real job, they would make more. Take the day, don't take the day. There are 1,000's of stay at Mommies that can hand out work sheets that day.
It's ridiculous to think teachers and care givers are on par with doctors and lawyers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

I don't view teaching as women's work. No one is making women go into teaching. I considered teaching, but chose not to because of the pay. Just like I chose not to be a social worker. It is a choice. I don't think it's a secret that teachers' salaries aren't "high." It is about personal responsibility. If you don't want the pay associated with a job, don't take it. When there isn't enough supply, salaries will go up. If you keep supply up and then whine about the pay, nothing really happens to make the situation better.

... oh well you don't view that way, so that settles that.

Are you saying women don't have a choice about their career paths? Teaching used to be women's work because that was one of the few career paths they could take. Today the choices are endless. Males who chose teaching as a career path make the same, they are not somehow given a special salary scale. We each need to own choices. The victim complex gets old.

You are choosing to be obtuse, so I'm not sure this worth discussing...
teaching has historically been considering women's work, so it has been historically under valued. Yes, both men and women can make a different choice, but that doesn't negate an entire profession being under compensated over decades. It also doesn't change our society's weird need to hold women to a different standard. There is an expectation that women, and roles they traditionally occupy, work for less or free.
Today's teacher gets the same raw deal, no matter their gender. Hardly worth celebrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Anyone can do your job. Most professionals would do a much better job, but they chose better careers. You chose to have summer off, so you don't deserve to be well compensated. You only work from 8am to 3 pm. You have all holidays off. Male teachers make less ( or the same as female teachers) because they are doing women's work. If they would nut up and find a real job, they would make more. Take the day, don't take the day. There are 1,000's of stay at Mommies that can hand out work sheets that day.
It's ridiculous to think teachers and care givers are on par with doctors and lawyers.

This may be the most arrogant post I have ever read. I was a teacher. After some years and a move because of my husband, I went into a professional office job. Longer hours. Less stress. And, sure, I missed the "summers off"--but the duty free lunch hour made up for that. And, if I had an appointment or a workman coming to the house, I could take a half day off without the need for preparing lesson plans and going back to straighten out the mess a sub had made. (Not that all subs make messes, but many do.) And, if I had a family event to attend in another city, I could go without guilt. If I needed to tend to needs in the restroom, I could get up from my desk and go any time I pleased. (Think about that. Most people don't.)

Did I miss teaching? Yes. I missed the satisfaction of knowing that I had helped kids succeed. There is nothing like comparing papers from the end of the year to those the kids did at the beginning and seeing just how far they had come. Sharing those papers with them and showing them their success was quite fulfilling.

Believe me, not "anyone" can do a teacher's job. And, no, most professionals would not do a much better job. And, no, you did not choose a "better" career--you have chosen a career that likely pays better. Teachers do deserve to be well compensated, but, it is true that they get two months off in the summer. However, they don't get to choose which two months off--the system chooses for them. Very likely, you get to take your vacation when you wish. In today's world, lots of jobs give more time off than they did long ago. I bet you may even have the option of working from home--teachers only work from home after they have spent a day at school.
And, FWIW, it sounds like that you not only resent teachers but also those "1000 stay at home Mommies" . Get a grip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Anyone can do your job. Most professionals would do a much better job, but they chose better careers. You chose to have summer off, so you don't deserve to be well compensated. You only work from 8am to 3 pm. You have all holidays off. Male teachers make less ( or the same as female teachers) because they are doing women's work. If they would nut up and find a real job, they would make more. Take the day, don't take the day. There are 1,000's of stay at Mommies that can hand out work sheets that day.
It's ridiculous to think teachers and care givers are on par with doctors and lawyers.

Obviously yours weren't! Sorry for you vast
ignorance. I've heard it's bliss though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Anyone can do your job. Most professionals would do a much better job, but they chose better careers. You chose to have summer off, so you don't deserve to be well compensated. You only work from 8am to 3 pm. You have all holidays off. Male teachers make less ( or the same as female teachers) because they are doing women's work. If they would nut up and find a real job, they would make more. Take the day, don't take the day. There are 1,000's of stay at Mommies that can hand out work sheets that day.
It's ridiculous to think teachers and care givers are on par with doctors and lawyers.

This may be the most arrogant post I have ever read. I was a teacher. After some years and a move because of my husband, I went into a professional office job. Longer hours. Less stress. And, sure, I missed the "summers off"--but the duty free lunch hour made up for that. And, if I had an appointment or a workman coming to the house, I could take a half day off without the need for preparing lesson plans and going back to straighten out the mess a sub had made. (Not that all subs make messes, but many do.) And, if I had a family event to attend in another city, I could go without guilt. If I needed to tend to needs in the restroom, I could get up from my desk and go any time I pleased. (Think about that. Most people don't.)

Did I miss teaching? Yes. I missed the satisfaction of knowing that I had helped kids succeed. There is nothing like comparing papers from the end of the year to those the kids did at the beginning and seeing just how far they had come. Sharing those papers with them and showing them their success was quite fulfilling.

Believe me, not "anyone" can do a teacher's job. And, no, most professionals would not do a much better job. And, no, you did not choose a "better" career--you have chosen a career that likely pays better. Teachers do deserve to be well compensated, but, it is true that they get two months off in the summer. However, they don't get to choose which two months off--the system chooses for them. Very likely, you get to take your vacation when you wish. In today's world, lots of jobs give more time off than they did long ago. I bet you may even have the option of working from home--teachers only work from home after they have spent a day at school.
And, FWIW, it sounds like that you not only resent teachers but also those "1000 stay at home Mommies" . Get a grip.

The best and the brightest don't become teachers.