Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

Not PP but what's wrong with that if it reflects the most qualified students?

By what measure? Standardized test scores? With no concept of the myriad advantages that led to those test scores?

By any transparent measure.

So what besides standardized test scores? Surely you don't mean to include grades, which obviously mean different things from different schools. Really you do you just mean standardized test scores. Which completely ignores the disparate impact that those tests have on different populations.

And then, when students who entered with lower grades and lower test scores later, predictably, perform worse in college, we should blame the college for discriminating in grading. And if employers do not want to hire kids who did not have high test scores, and then wound up at the bottom of their class in college, we should call the employers racists. Because, you know, the kid with the low test scores and high school transcript did graduate from Harvard, after all. So, he must be academically and intellectually the pier of the child who was admitted based on very high scores and grades. To treat them differently would clearly be discriminatory, as we should all plug our noses, close our eyes, and pretend that the kids coming in with lower scores are actually the academic peers of their classmates. Though really the effect of all of this is that all the rich you are M kids of lawyers, lobbyists and the like have won the lottery as far as their education and futures are concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

Not PP but what's wrong with that if it reflects the most qualified students?

By what measure? Standardized test scores? With no concept of the myriad advantages that led to those test scores?

By any transparent measure.

So what besides standardized test scores? Surely you don't mean to include grades, which obviously mean different things from different schools. Really you do you just mean standardized test scores. Which completely ignores the disparate impact that those tests have on different populations.

And then, when students who entered with lower grades and lower test scores later, predictably, perform worse in college, we should blame the college for discriminating in grading. And if employers do not want to hire kids who did not have high test scores, and then wound up at the bottom of their class in college, we should call the employers racists. Because, you know, the kid with the low test scores and high school transcript did graduate from Harvard, after all. So, he must be academically and intellectually the pier of the child who was admitted based on very high scores and grades. To treat them differently would clearly be discriminatory, as we should all plug our noses, close our eyes, and pretend that the kids coming in with lower scores are actually the academic peers of their classmates. Though really the effect of all of this is that all the rich you are M kids of lawyers, lobbyists and the like have won the lottery as far as their education and futures are concerned.

How many Asians will go into disenfranchised community hospitals to care for the sick after they graduate? And I'm not talking about opening restaurants and hair care product stores which are prevalent and disproportionately represented in poor black neighborhoods. I would definitely encourage admittance of an African American student with an A- average who would want to return to the community to uplift an encourage those who have been negatively impacted by discrimination. That is the holistic approach.

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

But that is also because upper management in Corporate America is still largely white/male and continue to discriminate. This is an issue for white women is as well. Unfortunately, we are not a color blind society, not sure we will ever be. But one would like to think that a vaunted univ. like Harvard would be able to rise above racism. However, given its history regarding discrimination of Jews, I guess that's too much to ask for.

Interesting you only consider "upper management" as a measure of success.. how about being an Olympian, or curing cancer, or started a new company, or winning a Pulitzer, or winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

If J.K. Rowling were Asian they would not have published her books?

The problem is the law of diminishing return with respect to IQ.

Because most people from Ivy leagues won't become Olympians, start their own business, win a pulitzer, etc... Most of them end up in Corporate America.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

Not PP but what's wrong with that if it reflects the most qualified students?

By what measure? Standardized test scores? With no concept of the myriad advantages that led to those test scores?

By any transparent measure.

So what besides standardized test scores? Surely you don't mean to include grades, which obviously mean different things from different schools. Really you do you just mean standardized test scores. Which completely ignores the disparate impact that those tests have on different populations.

And then, when students who entered with lower grades and lower test scores later, predictably, perform worse in college, we should blame the college for discriminating in grading. And if employers do not want to hire kids who did not have high test scores, and then wound up at the bottom of their class in college, we should call the employers racists. Because, you know, the kid with the low test scores and high school transcript did graduate from Harvard, after all. So, he must be academically and intellectually the pier of the child who was admitted based on very high scores and grades. To treat them differently would clearly be discriminatory, as we should all plug our noses, close our eyes, and pretend that the kids coming in with lower scores are actually the academic peers of their classmates. Though really the effect of all of this is that all the rich you are M kids of lawyers, lobbyists and the like have won the lottery as far as their education and futures are concerned.

How many Asians will go into disenfranchised community hospitals to care for the sick after they graduate? And I'm not talking about opening restaurants and hair care product stores which are prevalent and disproportionately represented in poor black neighborhoods. I would definitely encourage admittance of an African American student with an A- average who would want to return to the community to uplift an encourage those who have been negatively impacted by discrimination. That is the holistic approach.

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

Unless your name is Bush or Kennedy.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

Of course not. It's still white's world out there. I must tell you, I am tired of people making Asian kids so one dimentional - like they can't do anything other than GPA and test scores. The fact that they perform at a higher level (w/ GPA/test scores) doesn't mean they can't do other things.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

Not PP but what's wrong with that if it reflects the most qualified students?

By what measure? Standardized test scores? With no concept of the myriad advantages that led to those test scores?

By any transparent measure.

So what besides standardized test scores? Surely you don't mean to include grades, which obviously mean different things from different schools. Really you do you just mean standardized test scores. Which completely ignores the disparate impact that those tests have on different populations.

And then, when students who entered with lower grades and lower test scores later, predictably, perform worse in college, we should blame the college for discriminating in grading. And if employers do not want to hire kids who did not have high test scores, and then wound up at the bottom of their class in college, we should call the employers racists. Because, you know, the kid with the low test scores and high school transcript did graduate from Harvard, after all. So, he must be academically and intellectually the pier of the child who was admitted based on very high scores and grades. To treat them differently would clearly be discriminatory, as we should all plug our noses, close our eyes, and pretend that the kids coming in with lower scores are actually the academic peers of their classmates. Though really the effect of all of this is that all the rich you are M kids of lawyers, lobbyists and the like have won the lottery as far as their education and futures are concerned.

How many Asians will go into disenfranchised community hospitals to care for the sick after they graduate? And I'm not talking about opening restaurants and hair care product stores which are prevalent and disproportionately represented in poor black neighborhoods. I would definitely encourage admittance of an African American student with an A- average who would want to return to the community to uplift an encourage those who have been negatively impacted by discrimination. That is the holistic approach.

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

So, black people can be assumed to use their Harvard degree to help underprivileged ghetto youth (because, you know, they probably grew up in the ghetto themselves) whereas Asians can be assumed not to be interested in community service of any kind. Hmmm, no racism there.

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And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

Of course not. It's still white's world out there. I must tell you, I am tired of people making Asian kids so one dimentional - like they can't do anything other than GPA and test scores. The fact that they perform at a higher level (w/ GPA/test scores) doesn't mean they can't do other things.

When you get a chance, read the lawsuit in its entirety. The lawsuit is about admission based on grades and test scores. I thought the lawsuit presented Asian kids as one dimensional.

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And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

Your intention is to race bait, pure and simple. And for what it's worth, not every Asian or white student who applies has a perfect SAT score and perfect GPA. But contrary to your belief, there are AA and Latino students who DO have better scores. But they are not recognized for their academic success. They are accused of getting in because of affirmative action. What is your excuse for the 1.6% American Indians who are admitted. Kick them to the curb too? Don't you people ever get enough?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

Not PP but what's wrong with that if it reflects the most qualified students?

By what measure? Standardized test scores? With no concept of the myriad advantages that led to those test scores?

By any transparent measure.

So what besides standardized test scores? Surely you don't mean to include grades, which obviously mean different things from different schools. Really you do you just mean standardized test scores. Which completely ignores the disparate impact that those tests have on different populations.

And then, when students who entered with lower grades and lower test scores later, predictably, perform worse in college, we should blame the college for discriminating in grading. And if employers do not want to hire kids who did not have high test scores, and then wound up at the bottom of their class in college, we should call the employers racists. Because, you know, the kid with the low test scores and high school transcript did graduate from Harvard, after all. So, he must be academically and intellectually the pier of the child who was admitted based on very high scores and grades. To treat them differently would clearly be discriminatory, as we should all plug our noses, close our eyes, and pretend that the kids coming in with lower scores are actually the academic peers of their classmates. Though really the effect of all of this is that all the rich you are M kids of lawyers, lobbyists and the like have won the lottery as far as their education and futures are concerned.

How many Asians will go into disenfranchised community hospitals to care for the sick after they graduate? And I'm not talking about opening restaurants and hair care product stores which are prevalent and disproportionately represented in poor black neighborhoods. I would definitely encourage admittance of an African American student with an A- average who would want to return to the community to uplift an encourage those who have been negatively impacted by discrimination. That is the holistic approach.

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

So, black people can be assumed to use their Harvard degree to help underprivileged ghetto youth (because, you know, they probably grew up in the ghetto themselves) whereas Asians can be assumed not to be interested in community service of any kind. Hmmm, no racism there.

Hogwash. Play that game of word twisting what is said by yourself. Nobody said Asians aren't interested in community service of any kind. You did.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

I guess the nba and nfl..you know NATIONAL basketball association and NATIONAL football league should change their names to negro basketball association and negro football league.

Afterall each league is 75% and 67% black respectively. In a country that looks and will never look anything like that.

QUOTAS IN SPORTS, NOW!

After all, the NATIONAL Hockey league is 90% white in a country that and will never look anything like that. QUOTAS IN SPORTS, NOW! [/quote.

Don't leave out lacrosse, tennis, golf, soccer, and crew.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

But that is also because upper management in Corporate America is still largely white/male and continue to discriminate. This is an issue for white women is as well. Unfortunately, we are not a color blind society, not sure we will ever be. But one would like to think that a vaunted univ. like Harvard would be able to rise above racism. However, given its history regarding discrimination of Jews, I guess that's too much to ask for.

Interesting you only consider "upper management" as a measure of success.. how about being an Olympian, or curing cancer, or started a new company, or winning a Pulitzer, or winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

If J.K. Rowling were Asian they would not have published her books?

The problem is the law of diminishing return with respect to IQ.

Winning a Nobel prize? The vast majority of the winners are Jews, the very whom you whites discriminated against.
Funny that when you need them they are counted as white, and when you don't, you send them to gas chambers.
Really convenient!

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And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

Your intention is to race bait, pure and simple. And for what it's worth, not every Asian or white student who applies has a perfect SAT score and perfect GPA. But contrary to your belief, there are AA and Latino students who DO have better scores. But they are not recognized for their academic success. They are accused of getting in because of affirmative action. What is your excuse for the 1.6% American Indians who are admitted. Kick them to the curb too? Don't you people ever get enough?

Show me the data. Make me a believer.

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And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

No they don't. You are totally wrong.

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And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

No they don't. You are totally wrong.

Yes they do.