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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me. [/quote]

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics?  In a country that looks nothing like that?[/quote]

Not PP but what's wrong with that if it reflects the most qualified students? [/quote]

[b]By what measure?[/b]  Standardized test scores?  With no concept of the myriad advantages that led to those test scores?[/quote]

By any transparent measure. [/quote]

So what besides standardized test scores?  Surely you don't mean to include grades, which obviously mean different things from different schools.  Really you do you just mean standardized test scores. Which completely ignores the disparate impact that those tests have on different populations.[/quote]

And then, when students who entered with lower grades and lower test scores later, predictably, perform worse in college, we should blame the college for discriminating in grading. And if employers do not want to hire kids who did not have high test scores, and then wound up at the bottom of their class in college, we should call the employers racists. Because, you know, the kid with the low test scores and high school transcript did graduate from Harvard, after all. So, he must be academically and intellectually the pier of the child who was admitted based on very high scores and grades. To treat them differently would clearly be discriminatory, as we should all plug our noses, close our eyes, and pretend that the kids coming in with lower scores are actually the academic peers of their classmates. Though really the effect of all of this is that all the rich you are M kids of lawyers, lobbyists and the like have won the lottery as far as their education and futures are concerned.[/quote]How many Asians will go into disenfranchised community hospitals to care for the sick after they graduate?  And I'm not talking about opening restaurants and hair care product stores which are prevalent and disproportionately represented in poor black neighborhoods.  I would definitely encourage admittance of an African American student with an A- average who would want to return to the community to uplift an encourage those who have been negatively impacted by discrimination.  That is the holistic approach.

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades.  Period.  [/quote]

So, black people can be assumed to use their Harvard degree to help underprivileged ghetto youth (because, you know, they probably grew up in the ghetto themselves) whereas Asians can be assumed not to be interested in community service of any kind. Hmmm, no racism there. [/quote]Hogwash.  Play that game of word twisting what is said by yourself.  Nobody said Asians aren't interested in community service of any kind.  You did.[/quote]

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