Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

But that is also because upper management in Corporate America is still largely white/male and continue to discriminate. This is an issue for white women is as well. Unfortunately, we are not a color blind society, not sure we will ever be. But one would like to think that a vaunted univ. like Harvard would be able to rise above racism. However, given its history regarding discrimination of Jews, I guess that's too much to ask for.

Interesting you only consider "upper management" as a measure of success.. how about being an Olympian, or curing cancer, or started a new company, or winning a Pulitzer, or winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

If J.K. Rowling were Asian they would not have published her books?

The problem is the law of diminishing return with respect to IQ.

Because most people from Ivy leagues won't become Olympians, start their own business, win a pulitzer, etc... Most of them end up in Corporate America.

Sad.

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And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

Your intention is to race bait, pure and simple. And for what it's worth, not every Asian or white student who applies has a perfect SAT score and perfect GPA. But contrary to your belief, there are AA and Latino students who DO have better scores. But they are not recognized for their academic success. They are accused of getting in because of affirmative action. What is your excuse for the 1.6% American Indians who are admitted. Kick them to the curb too? Don't you people ever get enough?

Show me the data. Make me a believer.

Nobody has to cater to you. You can google just like everybody else does. You are not exceptional and no one should kowtow to you because you don't want to believe. That's a personal problem. Do your own research.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

Your intention is to race bait, pure and simple. And for what it's worth, not every Asian or white student who applies has a perfect SAT score and perfect GPA. But contrary to your belief, there are AA and Latino students who DO have better scores. But they are not recognized for their academic success. They are accused of getting in because of affirmative action. What is your excuse for the 1.6% American Indians who are admitted. Kick them to the curb too? Don't you people ever get enough?

Show me the data. Make me a believer.

Nobody has to cater to you. You can google just like everybody else does. You are not exceptional and no one should kowtow to you because you don't want to believe. That's a personal problem. Do your own research.

Yeah sure. I thought so.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought below was an interesting perspective from a Yahoo poster. Usually Yahoo comments are despicably racist but I thought this comment was interesting even though I disagree on one of his opinions.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

But that is also because upper management in Corporate America is still largely white/male and continue to discriminate. This is an issue for white women is as well. Unfortunately, we are not a color blind society, not sure we will ever be. But one would like to think that a vaunted univ. like Harvard would be able to rise above racism. However, given its history regarding discrimination of Jews, I guess that's too much to ask for.

Interesting you only consider "upper management" as a measure of success.. how about being an Olympian, or curing cancer, or started a new company, or winning a Pulitzer, or winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

If J.K. Rowling were Asian they would not have published her books?

The problem is the law of diminishing return with respect to IQ.

Winning a Nobel prize? The vast majority of the winners are Jews, the very whom you whites discriminated against.
Funny that when you need them they are counted as white, and when you don't, you send them to gas chambers.
Really convenient!

Wow! Jews also make really good psychiatrists, you should go see one... soon. There are a dozen or so right in Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought below was an interesting perspective from a Yahoo poster. Usually Yahoo comments are despicably racist but I thought this comment was interesting even though I disagree on one of his opinions.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

Of course not. It's still white's world out there. I must tell you, I am tired of people making Asian kids so one dimentional - like they can't do anything other than GPA and test scores. The fact that they perform at a higher level (w/ GPA/test scores) doesn't mean they can't do other things.

What else can they do?

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And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

That's not a true statement, but keep feeding your prejudices. It must make you feel so big.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought below was an interesting perspective from a Yahoo poster. Usually Yahoo comments are despicably racist but I thought this comment was interesting even though I disagree on one of his opinions.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

Of course not. It's still white's world out there. I must tell you, I am tired of people making Asian kids so one dimentional - like they can't do anything other than GPA and test scores. The fact that they perform at a higher level (w/ GPA/test scores) doesn't mean they can't do other things.

What else can they do?

Everything you kid can do only better... Except drugs, football, basketball, and having sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

Your intention is to race bait, pure and simple. And for what it's worth, not every Asian or white student who applies has a perfect SAT score and perfect GPA. But contrary to your belief, there are AA and Latino students who DO have better scores. But they are not recognized for their academic success. They are accused of getting in because of affirmative action. What is your excuse for the 1.6% American Indians who are admitted. Kick them to the curb too? Don't you people ever get enough?

Show me the data. [/b]Make me a believer.

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Why, you can't make a racist believe otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

Your intention is to race bait, pure and simple. And for what it's worth, not every Asian or white student who applies has a perfect SAT score and perfect GPA. But contrary to your belief, there are AA and Latino students who DO have better scores. But they are not recognized for their academic success. They are accused of getting in because of affirmative action. What is your excuse for the 1.6% American Indians who are admitted. Kick them to the curb too? Don't you people ever get enough?

Show me the data. Make me a believer.

Nobody has to cater to you. You can google just like everybody else does. You are not exceptional and no one should kowtow to you because you don't want to believe. That's a personal problem. Do your own research.

NP here. I agree with you 100%. The poster's attitude is typical of self-righteous behavior that anyone who is of a different race has to prove themselves worthy of acceptance. I have my own opinion of what they can do to themselves but the point is that it is the attitude of self-aggrandizing and should be ignored and left to their own faux, over-inflated self worth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought below was an interesting perspective from a Yahoo poster. Usually Yahoo comments are despicably racist but I thought this comment was interesting even though I disagree on one of his opinions.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

Of course not. It's still white's world out there. I must tell you, I am tired of people making Asian kids so one dimentional - like they can't do anything other than GPA and test scores. The fact that they perform at a higher level (w/ GPA/test scores) doesn't mean they can't do other things.

What else can they do?

Everything you kid can do only better... Except drugs, football, basketball, and having sex.

My kid doesn't like football, basketball, or drugs so your kid might just win that one. As far as sex you might be right.

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My kid doesn't like football, basketball, or drugs so your kid might just win that one. As far as sex you might be right.

i am happy for you.

[Anonymous]

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My kid doesn't like football, basketball, or drugs so your kid might just win that one. As far as sex you might be right.

i am happy for you.

Thank you, so glad he was not saddled with a little penis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And nobody but nobody gets into Harvard or any other Ivy with substandard grades. Period.

AA or Latinos do.

Your intention is to race bait, pure and simple. And for what it's worth, not every Asian or white student who applies has a perfect SAT score and perfect GPA. But contrary to your belief, there are AA and Latino students who DO have better scores. But they are not recognized for their academic success. They are accused of getting in because of affirmative action. What is your excuse for the 1.6% American Indians who are admitted. Kick them to the curb too? Don't you people ever get enough?

Show me the data. Make me a believer.

Nobody has to cater to you. You can google just like everybody else does. You are not exceptional and no one should kowtow to you because you don't want to believe. That's a personal problem. Do your own research.

Yeah sure. I thought so.

Not the PP you're trying to be sarcastic with, but your position is untenable: that there are no AA's or Latinos with perfect SAT scores and grades? Um, that's just silly. I'm married to one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My kid doesn't like football, basketball, or drugs so your kid might just win that one. As far as sex you might be right.

i am happy for you.

Thank you, so glad he was not saddled with a little penis.

Good to know your son is good at something.

[Anonymous]

Why not let the market handle this at this point? If Caltech is better at picking students than Harvard, than over time, Harvard will start doing what Caltech is doing. After all, Harvard wants successful alum as much as Caltech does, right? They want that magic combination of big donors and big names in academia and politics and science, right? So, if Caltech's way (of not giving any leg up to students from disadvantaged group) is better at predicting those outcomes, then it will win out. If it isn't, then forcing Harvard to do it their way is forcing Harvard to pick a set of students that isn't as good as what it could have picked with its more "holistic" view. Personally, I'm betting the more holistic view is the better bet. Because I'd rather have an URM student with 50 fewer SAT points because he/she didn't take the prep class but a much greater sense of the real world than yet another white or Asian kid who took Kaplan and Kumon and hasn't dealt with any real adversity in life. But let's let the market decide. now we have an experiment out there in Caltech, so let's see what happens.