Ebola patient in Texas has died

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe he received sub-standard care, but at first glance, I can understand it seeming strange that every white person treated for Ebola in the US has survived while the only West African to receive treatment here has died.

I disagree. There are many other differences in the cases besides race. Age, gender, time since infection, hospital procedures, on and on and on.

I don't dispute that, which is why I used the term "at first glance". Dig a little deeper and the factors you mentioned become more apparent.

Sorry, I guess I am giving the general public more credit than perhaps is due. Those differences seem clear to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope people remember what this man did that resulted in his infection. He is dead today because he helped try to obtain medical care for a dying pregnant woman who was turned away from the hospital. He may or may not have known she had Ebola, but either way it was a pretty noble thing to do. What a tragedy.

He lied on paperwork to come here, denying he'd been around Ebola patients. I'll remember that.

That's 100% speculation on your part.

"According to officials, Duncan reported on an airport screening questionnaire that he had had no contact with an Ebola patient. Before he left Liberia, officials checked his temperature at the airport. He had no fever. Authorities in Liberia said last week that they plan to prosecute Duncan for lying on the questionnaire.

Duncan landed in the United States on Sept. 20. He went to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas on Sept. 26 and had a temperature of 100.1. He told the nurse then that he had not been around anyone with Ebola. The hospital sent him home."

You can shut up and go away now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope people remember what this man did that resulted in his infection. He is dead today because he helped try to obtain medical care for a dying pregnant woman who was turned away from the hospital. He may or may not have known she had Ebola, but either way it was a pretty noble thing to do. What a tragedy.

He lied on paperwork to come here, denying he'd been around Ebola patients. I'll remember that.

That's 100% speculation on your part.

"According to officials, Duncan reported on an airport screening questionnaire that he had had no contact with an Ebola patient. Before he left Liberia, officials checked his temperature at the airport. He had no fever. Authorities in Liberia said last week that they plan to prosecute Duncan for lying on the questionnaire.

Duncan landed in the United States on Sept. 20. He went to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas on Sept. 26 and had a temperature of 100.1. He told the nurse then that he had not been around anyone with Ebola. The hospital sent him home."

You can shut up and go away now.

Sorry, none of this proves that he knew he'd been exposed to Ebola.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

Darwinism at its finest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:who is going to pay for his treatment?

the man has just died - give me a break.

You got it. Soooo... you're gonna put your money where your mouth is?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe he received sub-standard care, but at first glance, I can understand it seeming strange that every white person treated for Ebola in the US has survived while the only West African to receive treatment here has died.

"Since Saturday, Mr. Duncan had been receiving brincidofovir — an experimental drug developed to fight smallpox and other highly infectious viruses. The C.D.C. said there are no more doses of ZMapp, another experimental drug used on two American aid workers who later recovered from Ebola."

-from article above.

If his family sues, alleging sub-standard care, it is not just a slap in the face to the health care workers in Texas who risked their lives to treat him.

It would also be a slap in the face to the United States, who cared for him despite the fact that he lied on a screening form before coming here, failed to inform the hospital during his 1st visit on the 24th, and exposed others thereafter.

Don't forget that the president yesterday mocked the paltry response to Ebola by the rest of the world. He is right: we have done far more than anyone.

Correct. But it's doubtful that the average person on the street knows these details. Hence my point that AT FIRST GLANCE it might seem strange. In other words, I can see someone feeling that way who doesn't have all the facts.

Fair enough. But the family, who is possibly alleging sub-standard care, knows the details, and knows he was offered and given an experimental drug because they had to give consent. So first glance for the family should look pretty damn good.

[Anonymous]

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Sorry, none of this proves that he knew he'd been exposed to Ebola.

He took the woman to an Ebola treatment center. Why would he do that if he didn't know or suspect she had Ebola? And if he knew or suspected, he knew how infectious it was, so he knew he'd been exposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe he received sub-standard care, but at first glance, I can understand it seeming strange that every white person treated for Ebola in the US has survived while the only West African to receive treatment here has died.

"Since Saturday, Mr. Duncan had been receiving brincidofovir — an experimental drug developed to fight smallpox and other highly infectious viruses. The C.D.C. said there are no more doses of ZMapp, another experimental drug used on two American aid workers who later recovered from Ebola."

-from article above.

If his family sues, alleging sub-standard care, it is not just a slap in the face to the health care workers in Texas who risked their lives to treat him.

It would also be a slap in the face to the United States, who cared for him despite the fact that he lied on a screening form before coming here, failed to inform the hospital during his 1st visit on the 24th, and exposed others thereafter.

Don't forget that the president yesterday mocked the paltry response to Ebola by the rest of the world. He is right: we have done far more than anyone.

Correct. But it's doubtful that the average person on the street knows these details. Hence my point that AT FIRST GLANCE it might seem strange. In other words, I can see someone feeling that way who doesn't have all the facts.

Fair enough. But the family, who is possibly alleging sub-standard care, knows the details, and knows he was offered and given an experimental drug because they had to give consent. So first glance for the family should look pretty damn good.

Yes, you'd think so. I'm certainly not saying that I think some sort of discrimination lawsuit is warranted.

[Anonymous]

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Fair enough. But the family, who is possibly alleging sub-standard care, knows the details, and knows he was offered and given an experimental drug because they had to give consent. So first glance for the family should look pretty damn good.

Unless he gave consent himself (could have been before he took a turn for the worse). Still, the family must know. I suspect they didn't think anything was wrong with his treatment until Jesse Jackson told them there was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope people remember what this man did that resulted in his infection. He is dead today because he helped try to obtain medical care for a dying pregnant woman who was turned away from the hospital. He may or may not have known she had Ebola, but either way it was a pretty noble thing to do. What a tragedy.

Was he noble when he lied on the airport screening form prior to comming to the U.S.?

Was he noble when he failed to tell the hospital during his 1st visit where he had been and what he had done?

Was he noble when he returned to the apartment, while sick, and exposed the 5 children from 4 different school systems to his Ebola symptoms?

Sorry, he isn't a hero to me.

He wanted to LIVE.

So that excuses the fact that he deliberately put other people, including children and family members at risk???? Absurd. I feel badly that he died, but he's no hero,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So fleeing to the US did not work as a cure. It just infected others.

+1

Maybe that'll be a lesson for others trying this approach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

But see, that's ok because as a PP pointed out: "he wanted to live!" - even at the expense of others' lives. Even risking the lives of his children and others' children.

This guy was a selfish a-hole, not a hero.

+1 I agree. He knew he had it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Sorry, none of this proves that he knew he'd been exposed to Ebola.

He took the woman to an Ebola treatment center. Why would he do that if he didn't know or suspect she had Ebola? And if he knew or suspected, he knew how infectious it was, so he knew he'd been exposed.

Reposting (yet again) from another thread:

Just being sent to an Ebola clinic doesn't mean much. Remember this article from a few weeks ago?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/with-eb...4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html

As a Washington Post photographer watched one day last week, a woman in labor arrived at the JFK Ebola treatment center in a taxi, sent by workers at the hospital’s recently reopened maternity ward because she had no evidence she was free of Ebola.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Fair enough. But the family, who is possibly alleging sub-standard care, knows the details, and knows he was offered and given an experimental drug because they had to give consent. So first glance for the family should look pretty damn good.

Unless he gave consent himself (could have been before he took a turn for the worse). Still, the family must know. I suspect they didn't think anything was wrong with his treatment until Jesse Jackson told them there was.

Absolutely agree. It's so frustrating…let the family grieve and keep them out of that bullshit.

From what I read (will try to look later for link) he was not responsive at the time and the family had to actually give the consent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So fleeing to the US did not work as a cure. It just infected others.

+1

Maybe that'll be a lesson for others trying this approach.

What others were infected?