Does anyone ever get fired in MCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You never really get clear expectations because they lie to you and about you. Tenure is a thing of the past as they can fire for no reason at all. Then when they do have a reason such as a principal who sucks and whose negligence leads to broomstick rape....yeah somehow they are immune to anything and get to keep kushy jobs. Three cheers for mcps and MCEA hip hip HOORAPE!

FYI, administrators don’t belong to MCEA. They have their own union. Believe me, many MCEA members are outraged that the former Damascus principal was handed some made up job on Rockville Pike. She AND Smith have to go!

The Damascus principal belongs to MCCAP, not MCEA. Blame the right union with your cutesy “hip hip hoorape” comment, which is borderline offensive by itself. You think MCEA isn’t pissed about how it was handled? Every teacher I know is outraged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Short answer: No. It is very hard to fire a teacher.

Long answer: the problem is administration. Weast pushed out the good administrators and "recruited" a bunch of "Yes-men" who would do whatever WEAST wanted (and Weast was a total moron). So what you have right now is a bunch of weak, spineless "leaders" in MCPS who cannot run a school or student body, and just spend their time out of the building at meetings, "trainings", checking in with their principal mentors and being totally oblivious to what is actually going on in their schools.

I am a teacher and I hate it. I see the teachers around me who are terrible at their job and should be kicked out, but the paper trail has to be long (talking years) and almost always the union protects these idiots.

I say - no tenure, no union. Period. I don't think we go to a merit pay system, but I think we find better ways to evaluate teachers. Bottom line, ask any teacher or student in a school who the worst three teachers in the building are, and they will all have pretty much the same answer. It is sad.

Weast joined in ‘99, and was here through 2010. So was he responsible for Curr 2.0 and the discipline code?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They technically do - they run out the good teachers with poor administration and not treating them well and keep the crappy ones.

So very true.
Why are those 70 something year olds still playing their dirty games in the office of teacher recruitment?
So many talented teachers apply to MCPS who never receive any call back for an interview, while classrooms get assigned people with 'emergency certifiations", peope with minimal or no experience in teaching.

Sounds like corruption. Can’t the state investigate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The simple answer is that it is very difficult to get rid of a tenured teacher unless some misbehavior is suspected. I think a lot has to do with the teacher's relationship with the principal. We have a lousy teacher in our ES but she survives, and there have been complaints about her teaching levied for about 8 years. You'd have to pay me lots to teach in MCPS, and frankly, I am unimpressed with 2.0 and the new grading.

A teacher of 35 years said to a girl in front of a class of 30+ students, "How can your mother let you out of the house looking like that. You look like a hooker."

Just one of her more famous quotes this year.

I bet the teacher was right, though!

+1

I think it all the time. I just don't say it because 9 times out of 10, mom comes sashaying in dressed like a "working girl" herself.

Honestly, this attitude is so out of date, I'm boggled. It doesn't not matter one bit what girls wear to school. Who cares if a girl comes to school dressed like a hooker? Do you care because you think it is disturbing for the boys? Then you are prioritizing the education and needs of boys over girls. It is not a girl's job in our society to present herself in a way that makes boys/men comfortable. Boys are responsible for maintaining their own focus and keeping their hands and eyes to themselves. My DD attends a high FARMS school and dress code is a MAJOR impediment to the way girls (and boys) behave in school. Young girls waste a tremendous amount of time and psychic energy thinking about whether what they are going to wear passes dress code. If it's even a close call, they then spend tremendous time at school getting hassled by various teachers. And, young men are sent the message that the way a woman dresses justifies treating her like crap. And teachers are wasting valuable time worrying about dress code instead of teaching. And, teachers like the one you mention above are perpetuating dangerous (yes, dangerous, considering date rape stats) stereotypes. All this when the reading MSA "Basic" fail rates are astonishingly high. I don't care if the girls come to school NAKED, just teach them to read and freakng forget about what everyone is wearing.

Geez. What century do you all live in?

Your whole post is garbage. Girls do not have the privilege to come to public school dressed so provocatively that they are a distraction


Sounds like you value girls' freedom to show some skin over the education of boys

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The simple answer is that it is very difficult to get rid of a tenured teacher unless some misbehavior is suspected. I think a lot has to do with the teacher's relationship with the principal. We have a lousy teacher in our ES but she survives, and there have been complaints about her teaching levied for about 8 years. You'd have to pay me lots to teach in MCPS, and frankly, I am unimpressed with 2.0 and the new grading.

A teacher of 35 years said to a girl in front of a class of 30+ students, "How can your mother let you out of the house looking like that. You look like a hooker."

Just one of her more famous quotes this year.

I bet the teacher was right, though!

+1

I think it all the time. I just don't say it because 9 times out of 10, mom comes sashaying in dressed like a "working girl" herself.

Honestly, this attitude is so out of date, I'm boggled. It doesn't not matter one bit what girls wear to school. Who cares if a girl comes to school dressed like a hooker? Do you care because you think it is disturbing for the boys? Then you are prioritizing the education and needs of boys over girls. It is not a girl's job in our society to present herself in a way that makes boys/men comfortable. Boys are responsible for maintaining their own focus and keeping their hands and eyes to themselves. My DD attends a high FARMS school and dress code is a MAJOR impediment to the way girls (and boys) behave in school. Young girls waste a tremendous amount of time and psychic energy thinking about whether what they are going to wear passes dress code. If it's even a close call, they then spend tremendous time at school getting hassled by various teachers. And, young men are sent the message that the way a woman dresses justifies treating her like crap. And teachers are wasting valuable time worrying about dress code instead of teaching. And, teachers like the one you mention above are perpetuating dangerous (yes, dangerous, considering date rape stats) stereotypes. All this when the reading MSA "Basic" fail rates are astonishingly high. I don't care if the girls come to school NAKED, just teach them to read and freakng forget about what everyone is wearing.

Geez. What century do you all live in?

Your whole post is garbage. Girls do not have the privilege to come to public school dressed so provocatively that they are a distraction


Sounds like you value girls' freedom to show some skin over the education of boys

New poster but YOUR post is the problematic one. It’s not girls’ responsibility. Whether boys pay attention is on them.

[Anonymous]

There is a dress code.

[Anonymous]

I had a teacher getfired . Rumor was he was banging one of my classmates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a dress code.

But you may have noticed it’s not gender specific. Girls should not be disproportionately impacted by the dress code.

[Anonymous]

I inherited a teacher at my school who was involuntary transferred from her previous school and placed at mine. She tried but was completely ineffective and despite many attempts at coaching and support it was obvious that she shouldn't be teaching. It took me all year spending at least three days a week in her class observing her and writing her up to get her in front of the PAR panel. They recommended she be terminated but she chose to resign instead. MCEA makes it VERY difficult to get rid of teachers who are underperforming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The simple answer is that it is very difficult to get rid of a tenured teacher unless some misbehavior is suspected. I think a lot has to do with the teacher's relationship with the principal. We have a lousy teacher in our ES but she survives, and there have been complaints about her teaching levied for about 8 years. You'd have to pay me lots to teach in MCPS, and frankly, I am unimpressed with 2.0 and the new grading.

A teacher of 35 years said to a girl in front of a class of 30+ students, "How can your mother let you out of the house looking like that. You look like a hooker."

Just one of her more famous quotes this year.

I bet the teacher was right, though!

+1

I think it all the time. I just don't say it because 9 times out of 10, mom comes sashaying in dressed like a "working girl" herself.

Honestly, this attitude is so out of date, I'm boggled. It doesn't not matter one bit what girls wear to school. Who cares if a girl comes to school dressed like a hooker? Do you care because you think it is disturbing for the boys? Then you are prioritizing the education and needs of boys over girls. It is not a girl's job in our society to present herself in a way that makes boys/men comfortable. Boys are responsible for maintaining their own focus and keeping their hands and eyes to themselves. My DD attends a high FARMS school and dress code is a MAJOR impediment to the way girls (and boys) behave in school. Young girls waste a tremendous amount of time and psychic energy thinking about whether what they are going to wear passes dress code. If it's even a close call, they then spend tremendous time at school getting hassled by various teachers. And, young men are sent the message that the way a woman dresses justifies treating her like crap. And teachers are wasting valuable time worrying about dress code instead of teaching. And, teachers like the one you mention above are perpetuating dangerous (yes, dangerous, considering date rape stats) stereotypes. All this when the reading MSA "Basic" fail rates are astonishingly high. I don't care if the girls come to school NAKED, just teach them to read and freakng forget about what everyone is wearing.

Geez. What century do you all live in?

Your whole post is garbage. Girls do not have the privilege to come to public school dressed so provocatively that they are a distraction


Sounds like you value girls' freedom to show some skin over the education of boys

New poster but YOUR post is the problematic one. It’s not girls’ responsibility. Whether boys pay attention is on them.

Yeah, this is an example of an overreaction. People are so upset about the idea that women for a long time had a lot of constraints on what they could wear that they've swung all the way to having no common sense.

If you send your girls to school looking like complete tramps, you're a bad parent and are actively harming the educational environment of other kids.

Couldn't we use your logic to say the teacher can call any student a whore that she wants? Whether the girls pay attention to the insult is on them!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Short answer: No. It is very hard to fire a teacher.

Long answer: the problem is administration. Weast pushed out the good administrators and "recruited" a bunch of "Yes-men" who would do whatever WEAST wanted (and Weast was a total moron). So what you have right now is a bunch of weak, spineless "leaders" in MCPS who cannot run a school or student body, and just spend their time out of the building at meetings, "trainings", checking in with their principal mentors and being totally oblivious to what is actually going on in their schools.

I am a teacher and I hate it. I see the teachers around me who are terrible at their job and should be kicked out, but the paper trail has to be long (talking years) and almost always the union protects these idiots.

I say - no tenure, no union. Period. I don't think we go to a merit pay system, but I think we find better ways to evaluate teachers. Bottom line, ask any teacher or student in a school who the worst three teachers in the building are, and they will all have pretty much the same answer. It is sad.

Weast joined in ‘99, and was here through 2010. So was he responsible for Curr 2.0 and the discipline code?

I've been through these supts - from Vance to Smith. Say what you will of Weast, as he did indeed have his failures, but he was by far the smartest of the crew. Curriculum 2.0 was his baby, and it was indeed an opportunistic measure b/c of the partnership with Pearson.

Discipline had been eroding since the Code of Conduct. That tricked down from the fed level to the state to the local level. That wasn't Weast's fault.

But under Weast, the PD grew, and the evaluation system - if used properly - is very thorough. trouble is - Too many people are either too dumb or too lazy to use it well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They technically do - they run out the good teachers with poor administration and not treating them well and keep the crappy ones.

So very true.
Why are those 70 something year olds still playing their dirty games in the office of teacher recruitment?

So many talented teachers apply to MCPS who never receive any call back for an interview, while classrooms get assigned people with 'emergency certifiations", peope with minimal or no experience in teaching.

Sounds like corruption. Can’t the state investigate?

MCPS, b/c of its pay and benefits, does indeed attract an educated crew. However, the number of applicants applying can be overwhelming, too. HR is a mess. It has always been a mess no matter who was in charge. One of my friend's former student teacher, who was hired, is going nuts trying to secure a job. She interviews and doesn't hear back. Many administrators are not trustworthy, and they have no sense of professionalism.

But MCPS can get away with its treatment of staff. why? The system is so big that it cranks through teachers b/c guess what? There are tons of applicants willing to fill spots. On the outside, MCPS looks shiny and golden. However, those of us who have been insiders know the truth. It's a big machine.

The smart new teachers get the hell out - as they should. Once you invest too many years in the system, you will never find a job to match your salary, benefits and retirement.

sad . . .

[Anonymous]

Again, MCPS is too big to manage properly. It’s a mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The simple answer is that it is very difficult to get rid of a tenured teacher unless some misbehavior is suspected. I think a lot has to do with the teacher's relationship with the principal. We have a lousy teacher in our ES but she survives, and there have been complaints about her teaching levied for about 8 years. You'd have to pay me lots to teach in MCPS, and frankly, I am unimpressed with 2.0 and the new grading.

A teacher of 35 years said to a girl in front of a class of 30+ students, "How can your mother let you out of the house looking like that. You look like a hooker."

Just one of her more famous quotes this year.

I bet the teacher was right, though!

+1

I think it all the time. I just don't say it because 9 times out of 10, mom comes sashaying in dressed like a "working girl" herself.

Honestly, this attitude is so out of date, I'm boggled. It doesn't not matter one bit what girls wear to school. Who cares if a girl comes to school dressed like a hooker? Do you care because you think it is disturbing for the boys? Then you are prioritizing the education and needs of boys over girls. It is not a girl's job in our society to present herself in a way that makes boys/men comfortable. Boys are responsible for maintaining their own focus and keeping their hands and eyes to themselves. My DD attends a high FARMS school and dress code is a MAJOR impediment to the way girls (and boys) behave in school. Young girls waste a tremendous amount of time and psychic energy thinking about whether what they are going to wear passes dress code. If it's even a close call, they then spend tremendous time at school getting hassled by various teachers. And, young men are sent the message that the way a woman dresses justifies treating her like crap. And teachers are wasting valuable time worrying about dress code instead of teaching. And, teachers like the one you mention above are perpetuating dangerous (yes, dangerous, considering date rape stats) stereotypes. All this when the reading MSA "Basic" fail rates are astonishingly high. I don't care if the girls come to school NAKED, just teach them to read and freakng forget about what everyone is wearing.

Geez. What century do you all live in?

Your whole post is garbage. Girls do not have the privilege to come to public school dressed so provocatively that they are a distraction


Sounds like you value girls' freedom to show some skin over the education of boys

New poster but YOUR post is the problematic one. It’s not girls’ responsibility. Whether boys pay attention is on them.

Yeah, this is an example of an overreaction. People are so upset about the idea that women for a long time had a lot of constraints on what they could wear that they've swung all the way to having no common sense.

If you send your girls to school looking like complete tramps, you're a bad parent and are actively harming the educational environment of other kids.

Couldn't we use your logic to say the teacher can call any student a whore that she wants? Whether the girls pay attention to the insult is on them!

Dress codes are important. So yes, girls should come to school ready to learn. Wearing something too tight or too revealing isn't conducive to learning. Boys shouldn't arrive in "wife beaters" either - or with their underwear showing. again - not conducive to learning

And let's face it. Boys ARE distracted by girls. It's a hormonal fact. And some girls are distracted by girls as well. So instead of getting all riled up about women's rights and subjugation and victim punishment, I'll ask you this: How many of YOU would enter your workplace in a revealing blouse? Would you show up with your bra straps showing or in super tight pants? Do your male colleagues show off their new boxers? How much chest are they showing off?

School is for learning. What they wear outside of the school is their business.

The excuses are alarming.

[Anonymous]

If they’re distracted it’s their responsibility to deal with it and refocus.