Massive cheating on SAT?

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Anonymous wrote:America is still better. Turns out even Chineses love our holistic admission processes.

My American kid did far superior with the UK schools. Turns out UK schools only care about your academics and scores. Your essay is about what you want to study and why. They don't care about your sunny personality. They know the US GPA system is BS and don't ask for a high school transcript.

How do they know about your academics without a transcript?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job. They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good. Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc. Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements. None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home". They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school. Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?

Just because an economy is strong and growing, doesn't mean that people are happy, well-paid, enjoying the variety of life choices available to them, or living in a clean environment. You are confusing the measurement of an economy in monetary terms/economic productivity metrics with life satisfaction and happiness. America's statement of values is: "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". The U.S. still does a pretty good job regarding these things. Especially for employable, educated earners.

Anchor babies are risk hedges for those who return. And perhaps keys to a better life permanently in the U.S. Like acquiring a useful citizenship directly. I have a Ukrainian friend who got Canadian citizenship in the 2000s and then moved to Europe for good as soon as he became a Canadian dual citizen. I thought he'd never need it. I also never would have predicted Russia driving tanks through his currently occupied beachside Ukrainian hometown. Rich people in China can attract attention and lose their liberty and assets in ways that would never happen in the US. It's similar to the Russian oligarchs buying real estate in London. And rich Russians send their kids outside the country for school as well (or did). In some places in China, people do fear the pollution. Expat Americans in Shanghai and other cities worry a lot about air quality. I'd imagine wealthy locals also care. There were widespread problems a few years ago about adulterated baby formula. That kind of issue. Some standards are low. Even if the economy is growing.

Only some Chinese people are interested in moving to the U.S. With a population so large, a small percentage creates a great volume of school and job applicants. And the absolute size of their cohort of top % of students is just mathematically larger than in the US. My Chinese coworker who is trying to get citizenship (works at my company in the US after earning a transfer from our China office) loves Marvel movies, tours all the big American landmarks and cities, is excited about big American cars, and watches football. I am white and born in the US, and I like to watch Korean mini-series dramas, vacation in Europe, drive small cars, and don't like any pro sports. Who fits in better at work? He does!

Plus the US has global cultural hegemony still. For example, in every big country, you can find rappers who imitate American rappers right down to the vocal styles and gestures. That's just an easy current example. Everbody wearing blue jeans is an old one. The U.S. is still cool like Rome was in its post-peak but still big empire days. I make no bets on how long the situation lasts.

Do you think Americans are happy?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job. They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good. Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc. Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements. None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home". They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school. Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?

In China there are only like 100 universities that are any good…beyond that it’s literally the equivalent of mail order diplomas. India is basically the same way.

These Chinese colleges enroll like 2 MM students, but there are like 72 MM Chinese from 18-21…assuming 10% go to college, that still leaves 5MM students that need to go somewhere.

Not our problem

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job. They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good. Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc. Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements. None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home". They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school. Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?

In China there are only like 100 universities that are any good…beyond that it’s literally the equivalent of mail order diplomas. India is basically the same way.

These Chinese colleges enroll like 2 MM students, but there are like 72 MM Chinese from 18-21…assuming 10% go to college, that still leaves 5MM students that need to go somewhere.

Not our problem

Feels like they’re just exporting their supply and demand or poverty problems overseas—to the U.S., Australia, Japan, Europe… You’d think taking care of your own people would come first... Sigh

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Anonymous wrote:By now, it’s pretty clear that a degree no longer guarantees a high-paying job or better future. I am really curious how long everyone can live in this illusion.

As long as we keep inventing shit that people will pay for.

Like Internet service and Labubus.

I think the jobs market is frozen in part because the Trump Administration says whatever the f it wants without doing any reasoned analysis. Companies need stability to make plans. The economy is somewhat rough and consumer sentiment is poor. I think it would improve if we had more stability. Instead I hear the Administration wants to sue the Fed Chair, we've basically invaded a pretty big troubled country, our President wants Greenland given to him, and we have several more years of this nonsense to go.

Plus AI seems like a pretty stenchy bubble. Almost nobody called the 2008 recession crisis in advance but even little people noticed the loose business practices. I have no idea if and when the AI bubble will pop but now is definitely reminiscent of other Wild West eras in the financial/investment markets.

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Anonymous wrote:By now, it’s pretty clear that a degree no longer guarantees a high-paying job or better future. I am really curious how long everyone can live in this illusion.

As long as we keep inventing shit that people will pay for.

Like Internet service and Labubus.

I think the jobs market is frozen in part because the Trump Administration says whatever the f it wants without doing any reasoned analysis. Companies need stability to make plans. The economy is somewhat rough and consumer sentiment is poor. I think it would improve if we had more stability. Instead I hear the Administration wants to sue the Fed Chair, we've basically invaded a pretty big troubled country, our President wants Greenland given to him, and we have several more years of this nonsense to go.

Plus AI seems like a pretty stenchy bubble. Almost nobody called the 2008 recession crisis in advance but even little people noticed the loose business practices. I have no idea if and when the AI bubble will pop but now is definitely reminiscent of other Wild West eras in the financial/investment markets.

Ok but isn’t it ironic that Chinese would go in such lengths—cheating or whatever—just to cash in on this bubble and make it here to the party?

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Anonymous wrote:Universities turn a blind eye to full pay international students.

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There are enough full pay Americans to fill our schools.

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Anonymous wrote:As sad as this may be, it pales in comparison to the rampant cheating happening everyday in the classroom.

It's frustrating. Even if my kids get into a good school here, I worry they won’t learn much if they’re surrounded by people who just don’t care about learning. That’s why I’m looking at schools in the UK. I’m really hoping this kind of corruption hasn’t made its way there yet.

Bless your heart. UK is the second home of the Middle Easterners. The same ones who ran a decades long rape ring across the UK. You think they didn’t cheat their way in?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job. They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good. Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc. Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements. None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home". They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school. Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?

Just because an economy is strong and growing, doesn't mean that people are happy, well-paid, enjoying the variety of life choices available to them, or living in a clean environment. You are confusing the measurement of an economy in monetary terms/economic productivity metrics with life satisfaction and happiness. America's statement of values is: "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". The U.S. still does a pretty good job regarding these things. Especially for employable, educated earners.

Anchor babies are risk hedges for those who return. And perhaps keys to a better life permanently in the U.S. Like acquiring a useful citizenship directly. I have a Ukrainian friend who got Canadian citizenship in the 2000s and then moved to Europe for good as soon as he became a Canadian dual citizen. I thought he'd never need it. I also never would have predicted Russia driving tanks through his currently occupied beachside Ukrainian hometown. Rich people in China can attract attention and lose their liberty and assets in ways that would never happen in the US. It's similar to the Russian oligarchs buying real estate in London. And rich Russians send their kids outside the country for school as well (or did). In some places in China, people do fear the pollution. Expat Americans in Shanghai and other cities worry a lot about air quality. I'd imagine wealthy locals also care. There were widespread problems a few years ago about adulterated baby formula. That kind of issue. Some standards are low. Even if the economy is growing.

Only some Chinese people are interested in moving to the U.S. With a population so large, a small percentage creates a great volume of school and job applicants. And the absolute size of their cohort of top % of students is just mathematically larger than in the US. My Chinese coworker who is trying to get citizenship (works at my company in the US after earning a transfer from our China office) loves Marvel movies, tours all the big American landmarks and cities, is excited about big American cars, and watches football. I am white and born in the US, and I like to watch Korean mini-series dramas, vacation in Europe, drive small cars, and don't like any pro sports. Who fits in better at work? He does!

Plus the US has global cultural hegemony still. For example, in every big country, you can find rappers who imitate American rappers right down to the vocal styles and gestures. That's just an easy current example. Everbody wearing blue jeans is an old one. The U.S. is still cool like Rome was in its post-peak but still big empire days. I make no bets on how long the situation lasts.

Do you think Americans are happy?

Yes. Regardless of consumer sentiment and political mayhem working against that. I do think Americans are happy and even if not happy, they still have freedom and relative access to opportunity.

The countries where happiness metrics look better are typically small, affluent, and racially homogenous. In other words, they are easier places to keep in social balance.

I totally understand why educated people would want to move from China and India to the U.S. And some do go back. In China, they are nicknamed "sea turtles". China has its own giant tech corporations and they mimic our tech industry right down to the CES/TechCrunch/stockholder meeting type presentations with Jobs-ian black turtleneck stage-strolling execs. Returnees do go to work in businesses like that. They also go to work in Western businesses. And start businesses.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job. They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good. Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc. Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements. None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home". They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school. Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?

Just because an economy is strong and growing, doesn't mean that people are happy, well-paid, enjoying the variety of life choices available to them, or living in a clean environment. You are confusing the measurement of an economy in monetary terms/economic productivity metrics with life satisfaction and happiness. America's statement of values is: "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". The U.S. still does a pretty good job regarding these things. Especially for employable, educated earners.

Anchor babies are risk hedges for those who return. And perhaps keys to a better life permanently in the U.S. Like acquiring a useful citizenship directly. I have a Ukrainian friend who got Canadian citizenship in the 2000s and then moved to Europe for good as soon as he became a Canadian dual citizen. I thought he'd never need it. I also never would have predicted Russia driving tanks through his currently occupied beachside Ukrainian hometown. Rich people in China can attract attention and lose their liberty and assets in ways that would never happen in the US. It's similar to the Russian oligarchs buying real estate in London. And rich Russians send their kids outside the country for school as well (or did). In some places in China, people do fear the pollution. Expat Americans in Shanghai and other cities worry a lot about air quality. I'd imagine wealthy locals also care. There were widespread problems a few years ago about adulterated baby formula. That kind of issue. Some standards are low. Even if the economy is growing.

Only some Chinese people are interested in moving to the U.S. With a population so large, a small percentage creates a great volume of school and job applicants. And the absolute size of their cohort of top % of students is just mathematically larger than in the US. My Chinese coworker who is trying to get citizenship (works at my company in the US after earning a transfer from our China office) loves Marvel movies, tours all the big American landmarks and cities, is excited about big American cars, and watches football. I am white and born in the US, and I like to watch Korean mini-series dramas, vacation in Europe, drive small cars, and don't like any pro sports. Who fits in better at work? He does!

Plus the US has global cultural hegemony still. For example, in every big country, you can find rappers who imitate American rappers right down to the vocal styles and gestures. That's just an easy current example. Everbody wearing blue jeans is an old one. The U.S. is still cool like Rome was in its post-peak but still big empire days. I make no bets on how long the situation lasts.

Do you think Americans are happy?

Americans *think* they’re unhappy.

If they lived the lives that most Chinese people do, they’d gain an entirely new understanding of what the word means.

Chinese know how to eat bitter.

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Everyone’s welcome—just please, no cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job. They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good. Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc. Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements. None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home". They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school. Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?

It’s a country run by democrats in the extreme—forced abortion/child limit policies, social scores and forced conformity to unanimous political thought, where the hell is Jack Ma?/community property. People have to escape for political freedom.

The current US administration is so enamored with China they are copying their economic system…taking equity stakes in companies, tariffs, rewarding companies that are loyal, etc.

The US hasn’t been this socialist since just about ever.

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Wider wealth inequality. Period.

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My son is a freshman at a University of California college. The first day he met his dorm roommate who is from mainland China and invited him to go down to the dining commons to eat dinner together. My son called later saying he understood very little of what his roommate said and his roommate didn't seem to understand much of what my son was saying.

I told my son to give him the benefit of the doubt as the Chinese student was in a new environment and maybe jet lagged. As the academic year has progressed the Chinese student rarely leaves the room except to go to the bathroom and eat. It appears that he is too busy gaming until 2 or 3 am.

My son doesn't understand how he has never seen him take his laptop and backpack and head off to class, never seems to study, never has any books, never seems to be writing any papers, etc. My son would ask him but when he tries to talk to him he doesn't really get a reply back. Based on his possessions my son assumes he is quite wealthy but knows nothing else about him.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job. They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good. Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc. Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements. None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home". They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school. Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?

It’s a country run by democrats in the extreme—forced abortion/child limit policies, social scores and forced conformity to unanimous political thought, where the hell is Jack Ma?/community property. People have to escape for political freedom.

The current US administration is so enamored with China they are copying their economic system…taking equity stakes in companies, tariffs, rewarding companies that are loyal, etc.

The US hasn’t been this socialist since just about ever.

Or since 2008. Sorry I’m a big owner of GSEs