What is going to happen to the RTO?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a non fed…I feel like they will have to cave on RTO / provide better benefits moving forward to get anyone to work for the govt. I am fairly young (early 30s) and I cannot imagine any of my peers wanting to work there after all this chaos.

EXACTLY. You’d have to be totally insane or very very desperate to be a fed for like the next 25-plus years. I don’t care who gets elected. This whole dumpster fire has demonstrated how awful and broken and fragile the system was.

CBAs — ignored. Civil service laws — ignored. Decency — ignored. Can have your entire status changed based on a EO (schedule F). Treated like idiots/children with 5 bullets, etc. And the courts are worthless as they look the other way based on academic technicalities like “standing.”

I’d recommend that a young professional be an asbestos removal tech before being a Fed. At least the former is somewhat respected and is treated with some decency. And probably better pay and job security.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like whoever got telework back had it taken away again? Jeez.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like whoever got telework back had it taken away again? Jeez.

Who got it back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a non fed…I feel like they will have to cave on RTO / provide better benefits moving forward to get anyone to work for the govt. I am fairly young (early 30s) and I cannot imagine any of my peers wanting to work there after all this chaos.

This is a major argument for moving agencies out of DC. I, too, can think of few in my cohort who live in DC and want to work for the government. I can think of LOTS of former classmates and peers in the Midwest city I’m from who would jump at the chance, commute and all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully flexibility loosens up soon. I am burning sick leave today because my kid has pink eye. Such a waste of productivity.

This the reason why we have the RTO.

NP
this is why there needs to be flexibility to WFH. A parent just needs to be home with sick kid, not attending to them 24/7.

I WFH private sector and my teen had wisdom teeth removed and other than the half-day leave I took one morning, I was able to work and be productive the rest of that day and all day the next while he mostly slept from the drugs.

Meh. Feds can take sick leave in this situation. That is exactly— exactly— why this federal benefit exists. Then if the massive amount of sickleave that you’re given every year is used up, you apply for leave without pay. By doing this, people will be more judicious about spending so many days at home with a very marginally unwell family member.

Fwiw, you didn’t need to stay home on day, one postop for wisdom teeth. That’s one of those nice to have not need to have things from the clinical perspective.


— writes post op instructions for a living

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully flexibility loosens up soon. I am burning sick leave today because my kid has pink eye. Such a waste of productivity.

This the reason why we have the RTO.

NP
this is why there needs to be flexibility to WFH. A parent just needs to be home with sick kid, not attending to them 24/7.

I WFH private sector and my teen had wisdom teeth removed and other than the half-day leave I took one morning, I was able to work and be productive the rest of that day and all day the next while he mostly slept from the drugs.

Meh. Feds can take sick leave in this situation. That is exactly— exactly— why this federal benefit exists. Then if the massive amount of sickleave that you’re given every year is used up, you apply for leave without pay. By doing this, people will be more judicious about spending so many days at home with a very marginally unwell family member.

Fwiw, you didn’t need to stay home on day, one postop for wisdom teeth. That’s one of those nice to have not need to have things from the clinical perspective.


— writes post op instructions for a living

Ok enjoyed the lack of work I do? If given the choice between going to work or staying home to take care of my “marginally unwell” child, my choice is stay home. with reasonable WFH policies I could also keep up with my projects and get up to 1/2 day work in if not more. with RTO, zero.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully flexibility loosens up soon. I am burning sick leave today because my kid has pink eye. Such a waste of productivity.

This the reason why we have the RTO.

NP
this is why there needs to be flexibility to WFH. A parent just needs to be home with sick kid, not attending to them 24/7.

I WFH private sector and my teen had wisdom teeth removed and other than the half-day leave I took one morning, I was able to work and be productive the rest of that day and all day the next while he mostly slept from the drugs.

That is costing the company a day productivity as you would have taking a vacation day. Now you basically did nothing on that day and saved your time off.

Stop projecting. Just because you’re lazy doesn’t mean everyone else is.

Exactly. Every PP on here who rails against WFH is broadcasting that they are lazy and unmotivated. They are not productive unless directly under the eye of their supervisor and even then I'm sure they are the ones wasting half the day while they are in the office. They assume everyone else is as lazy and sneaky as they are.

Well, we're not. Lots of feds do the job they do, because they believe in the mission. We can work hard anywhere. You lazy jerks can speak for yourselves only.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully flexibility loosens up soon. I am burning sick leave today because my kid has pink eye. Such a waste of productivity.

This the reason why we have the RTO.

NP
this is why there needs to be flexibility to WFH. A parent just needs to be home with sick kid, not attending to them 24/7.

I WFH private sector and my teen had wisdom teeth removed and other than the half-day leave I took one morning, I was able to work and be productive the rest of that day and all day the next while he mostly slept from the drugs.

That is costing the company a day productivity as you would have taking a vacation day. Now you basically did nothing on that day and saved your time off.

Stop projecting. Just because you’re lazy doesn’t mean everyone else is.

Exactly. Every PP on here who rails against WFH is broadcasting that they are lazy and unmotivated. They are not productive unless directly under the eye of their supervisor and even then I'm sure they are the ones wasting half the day while they are in the office. They assume everyone else is as lazy and sneaky as they are.

Well, we're not. Lots of feds do the job they do, because they believe in the mission. We can work hard anywhere. You lazy jerks can speak for yourselves only.

NP but it might be that they are managing ineffective WFH employees but their hands are tied from doing anything about them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

Eh. Everyone I know with professional jobs in the private sector can do their job at home a day or two a week. If being able to use a computer and email in your home office is the line then no job should be safe.

Those jobs will be replaced. Really it will return to physical labor jobs being the only secure ones, talking more complicated physical labor jobs, not robotic factory assembly line ones that robots can do.

Whatever makes you feel better.

If that's your tact, sure, go with it then. Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better, helps to stave off dread of the inevitable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

Eh. Everyone I know with professional jobs in the private sector can do their job at home a day or two a week. If being able to use a computer and email in your home office is the line then no job should be safe.

Those jobs will be replaced. Really it will return to physical labor jobs being the only secure ones, talking more complicated physical labor jobs, not robotic factory assembly line ones that robots can do.

The Trump Maoist has entered the chat.

Did you read the WSJ article? Obviously not. Technology is defeating you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully flexibility loosens up soon. I am burning sick leave today because my kid has pink eye. Such a waste of productivity.

This the reason why we have the RTO.

NP
this is why there needs to be flexibility to WFH. A parent just needs to be home with sick kid, not attending to them 24/7.

I WFH private sector and my teen had wisdom teeth removed and other than the half-day leave I took one morning, I was able to work and be productive the rest of that day and all day the next while he mostly slept from the drugs.

That is costing the company a day productivity as you would have taking a vacation day. Now you basically did nothing on that day and saved your time off.

Stop projecting. Just because you’re lazy doesn’t mean everyone else is.

Exactly. Every PP on here who rails against WFH is broadcasting that they are lazy and unmotivated. They are not productive unless directly under the eye of their supervisor and even then I'm sure they are the ones wasting half the day while they are in the office. They assume everyone else is as lazy and sneaky as they are.

Well, we're not. Lots of feds do the job they do, because they believe in the mission. We can work hard anywhere. You lazy jerks can speak for yourselves only.

NP but it might be that they are managing ineffective WFH employees but their hands are tied from doing anything about them.

Wait, I thought it was easy to get rid of the deadweight in the private sector?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

Eh. Everyone I know with professional jobs in the private sector can do their job at home a day or two a week. If being able to use a computer and email in your home office is the line then no job should be safe.

Those jobs will be replaced. Really it will return to physical labor jobs being the only secure ones, talking more complicated physical labor jobs, not robotic factory assembly line ones that robots can do.

It's so weird that you cling to a narrative that is both false and grim. A happy fantasy I would understand, but trying to push an idea that is bad for everyone and also demonstrably untrue is really odd.
I would love to know what you did for a living before you retired.

You're delusional. If AI can replace nurses, doctors, and lawyers, what makes you think your precious white collar job won't fall victim to AI? Even IT professionals are losing jobs to AI.

AI cannot replace nurses, doctors, and lawyers.

DP but sure it can, and already is in the stages of doing so.

Of those, nurses would be the least likely to be replaced, as they are doing physical labor that cannot be done by a computer, or even robotics at this point in time.

Doctors can easily be replaced by machines/booths that a patient is hooked up to, scanned, and a full physical exam performed on in just minutes, much better than a whole team of doctors could do in weeks. Virtual diagnosing is already common among the profession, and just the start of that trend.

Lawyer are the MOST susceptible to being replaced by AI of the ones you list, as AI can peruse millions of court cases in microseconds and counter argue a point, bring up an objection, and cite previous law in seconds. Something not even hundreds of human lawyers working for months on a case could do.

It is amazing how people don't realize all this. Mostly it is just fear and depression of uncertainty in their field of work.

Google, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. are not spending billions of dollars on AI tech just for kids to play with online, it will replace human workers in every area possible.

And this will be a good thing overall.

Just how people decried the use of tractors and machinery replacing slaves and workers, AI will replace humans in many fields of work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

Eh. Everyone I know with professional jobs in the private sector can do their job at home a day or two a week. If being able to use a computer and email in your home office is the line then no job should be safe.

Those jobs will be replaced. Really it will return to physical labor jobs being the only secure ones, talking more complicated physical labor jobs, not robotic factory assembly line ones that robots can do.

Whatever makes you feel better.

If that's your tact, sure, go with it then. Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better, helps to stave off dread of the inevitable.

Take your meds

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

Eh. Everyone I know with professional jobs in the private sector can do their job at home a day or two a week. If being able to use a computer and email in your home office is the line then no job should be safe.

Those jobs will be replaced. Really it will return to physical labor jobs being the only secure ones, talking more complicated physical labor jobs, not robotic factory assembly line ones that robots can do.

Whatever makes you feel better.

If that's your tact, sure, go with it then. Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better, helps to stave off dread of the inevitable.

Take your meds

So you are a doctor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a non fed…I feel like they will have to cave on RTO / provide better benefits moving forward to get anyone to work for the govt. I am fairly young (early 30s) and I cannot imagine any of my peers wanting to work there after all this chaos.

I’m in my 40s and trying to get out and will steer my kids away from government work. There are absolutely no upsides to it.

A lot of it is niche work that doesn’t necessarily have a private sector counterpart, which is fine when you have job security, but not when you’re subject to the political whims of crazy people. Benefits and pension being watered down. Flexibility going away. Hostile treatment from the administration. A large portion of the public thinks you’re lazy. Thoughtless cuts make it harder to get the job done. Pay doesn’t keep up with private sector (at least for jobs requiring advanced degrees)

It’s just the worst of all worlds. I have no idea how we’ll make this country “great” when no one competent even wants to work for our own government.