What is going to happen to the RTO?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

Few government agencies and Freddie Mac were RTO 2 to 3 times a week since 2022. What we are discussing here is that 5 days RTO is brutal and a way to harass DC govt employees. NYC, SF, South and Midwest most private sectors are back not more than 3 days in office. Why the new admin is being unfair to federal and now Fannie / Freddie employees also asked to be in office 5 days/ 40 hours a week? If they were called 3 days a week, there would have been no discussion and people world have happily accepted this as the norm. The norm is 3 days RTO everywhere in US except in and around DC. This is not a fair towards federal, Fannie and Freddie

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

FWIW only 10% of fed jobs are remote which is consistent with the % of remote jobs in the private sector. The more you know.

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My job role has been one day a week in the office since the 1980’s. This is due to the type of work we do- we’re very specialized, provide nationwide coverage and there aren’t many of us (think compliance and oversight). We’re now in the office every day and the work is stacking up. The role does not lend itself to RTO. But our leadership isn’t willing to advocate for us or have a conversation with the decision makers so here we are. They have gone through the motions of exempting us from VERA due to the needs of the mission but they don’t realize yet that the mission can’t get done in its current state, not without hiring a bunch more people. That’s 100% the result of forcing people to come in to an office every day.

Also, due to the inability to telework we’re now having to TDY to locations where we would just do a really long day trip (four hours round trip in the car on top of a full day of work, much of our work is 50+ miles from the office). Not sure how any of this is efficient or saves taxpayer money but I’ll do what I’m told.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

Absolutely agree and support the government workers. It’s been so chaotic with low morale around DC since February.
Gold compare Apple to apples. Don’t compare NYC Wall Street where folks make more than $500k to govt employees. Atleast Fridays should have been given to wfh. Why have the need to call back folks on Friday also for minimum 8 hours. Is this work life balance? If you want to be fair- call the whole of US back to office 5 days a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

Government workers aren't being compared to finance. Feds were forced to RTO so the MAGA base could feel good about gov employees getting fired or struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

Government workers aren't being compared to finance. Feds were forced to RTO so the MAGA base could feel good about gov employees getting fired or struggling.

Only envious, petty people would feel good about that.

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Anonymous wrote:My office ordered a bunch of standing desks for people. Aren't those like $100+ each? Good use of taxpayer dollars here.

When I met with our HR staff, she had the standing desk, AND two monitors sitting on top which blocked her whole head. She talk through the little sliver of space between the monitors. Ridiculous that the HR person don’t know some office etiquette.

Were you sitting or standing as well? If sitting, it sounds like a power trip trying to stand above you n all.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

The avg goldman employeee is making way less than $900K and the avg gov employee is making more than $90K.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

We don’t really care what IB jack*sses are doing. If Elon wants to pay me like a banker I’ll gladly come in 5 days/week.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

Government workers aren't being compared to finance. Feds were forced to RTO so the MAGA base could feel good about gov employees getting fired or struggling.

Only envious, petty people would feel good about that.

Doesn’t that sum up the MAGA base? And they were willing to hurt themselves to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

It's a finance bro thing where the whole point is to see who can kill themselves the most.