What is going to happen to the RTO?

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Funny how people in DC think people don’t work 5 days a week in NY.

Yet they take Amtrak there, use subway, jump in a cab, check into a hotel, catch a Broadway show, go out to eat, run into the bank to get cash, cops, fireman, sanitation workers and all the big banks JP Morgan, Goldman etc are 5 days a week.

Back in October 2021 and again in October 2022 I went on busines trips to NYC. DC was still a ghost town. But NYC was open for business.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

It's a finance bro thing where the whole point is to see who can kill themselves the most.

A lot of it is that culture is hard to create from home and it’s hard to mentor junior employees from home too. And banks have lots of commercial RE on the books too. Many employees don’t want to go in that much, but thru need to in order to stay employed

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

The avg goldman employeee is making way less than $900K and the avg gov employee is making more than $90K.

Chase literally have thousands of tellers in person making around 45k in person which is 1/2 the 90k govt salary

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

This is not consistent with my guest or his wife (who is not in finance). They both work at home several days a week.

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Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

You’re a simpleton.

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Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

You’re a simpleton.

What does this mean? Will AI take away jobs that can be done from home?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

The avg goldman employeee is making way less than $900K and the avg gov employee is making more than $90K.

Chase literally have thousands of tellers in person making around 45k in person which is 1/2 the 90k govt salary

Government workers that directly serve the public in person also go in 5 days a week and they always did. We’re only talking about WFH for professions that largely do their work on computers.

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I think some older or less educated argue for RTO because they think they can convince everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

You’re a simpleton.

What does this mean? Will AI take away jobs that can be done from home?

Jobs that can be "done from a computer" are highly likely to be replaced by AI within a few years. One AI can do the work of thousands to possibly even millions of humans.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

The avg goldman employeee is making way less than $900K and the avg gov employee is making more than $90K.

Chase literally have thousands of tellers in person making around 45k in person which is 1/2 the 90k govt salary

Considering that's banker hours, just for sitting and handing out money, sounds like a good job for post-retirement.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some older or less educated argue for RTO because they think they can convince everyone.

Noticing it seems to be more younger people wanting to RTO, probably so they can show off their fashion sense and suits. Like kids who play-pretend going to the office. Millennials not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

The avg goldman employeee is making way less than $900K and the avg gov employee is making more than $90K.

Chase literally have thousands of tellers in person making around 45k in person which is 1/2 the 90k govt salary

Did you want to nationalize banks and have government workers be tellers? I'm not sure what your point might be.

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Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

You’re a simpleton.

What does this mean? Will AI take away jobs that can be done from home?

Jobs that can be "done from a computer" are highly likely to be replaced by AI within a few years. One AI can do the work of thousands to possibly even millions of humans.

How is this a good thing for society? Honestly?

Just because we can doesn’t mean we should

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Anonymous wrote:I think some older or less educated argue for RTO because they think they can convince everyone.

Def a generational thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the administration not understand 5 days in office does not make sense? What is the agenda behind RTO?

People were not being honest with their hours. Where have you been?

Where is the proof that people weren’t being honest? If it’s such a widespread problem to the point the entire government has to be prevented from teleworking, there must be a ton of concrete evidence they can present to justify the policy. Why haven’t they?

Why are only govt employees called back 5 days a week? Why are private companies employees still hybrid 2-3 days in office or 100% remote. It’s not fair.

Many are back five days a week.

Many are not. Why are those companies able to operate just fine with hybrid schedules?

Because those companies have made a decision to trust their employees... and the employees do not abuse that trust.

Why are people so jealous of federal and Fannie Freddie employees?
Are the Twins Fannie and Freddie most profitable companies per employee as the employees abused the remote work?

I feel only the DC, Nova and MD area companies both govt and private have called back 5 days a week.
Many companies in south, mid west, west coast and north east have not called 5 days. Most people go to office is only 3 days and there is a hugh difference in quality of life if you are required to be in office 5 va 3 days a week. The new administration is disappointing people who are in and around DC.

No. DC was probably the last area to not be mostly remote. Really, this discussion is so old. If you can’t stand going in try to find a remote or hybrid job that is better.

There was no real business or productivity-related reason for the RTO and you know it. Stop defending what is simply a ploy to piss off federal workers.

Not PP but they were responding to the ridiculous claim that the DMV is the only place with full 5 days a week in person. Which is a blatant lie- NY has been back 5 days a week for a while. DC was the last place to do it.

NY is not “5 days.” I have friends in big law there and it’s more like 3 days, with no questions asked if you need more for a sick kid etc.

+100000. 3 days is pretty typical as it just general flexibility.

I’m a government worker who has to go into the office every day while my private sector spouse has a 2-3 day a week requirement.

I spent a few days this week with a private sector finance guy who was 'working' which meant taking a call or two while we enjoyed the neighborhood park with his kids. They were visiting us from out of town.. He chuckled about how feds are told every one else works in the office.

Most finance people in NY are in the office 5 days or a minimum of 4. My husband and all of his colleagues can attest to this. There are some special people here and there who kicked and screamed for carve outs during COVID and no one wants to fight with them, but by and large everyone is going in. In tech it really accelerated in 2024. If you just started RTO a few months ago consider that when someone was commuting in 2022,2023, and 2024 you were not. To complain you have it worse than everyone else after having three years of not going in when most people were going in for three years before you did is a little tone deaf.

At bulge bracket banks and large well known tech firms, yes. But I know of multiple banks where this isn’t the case.

It’s unfair to compare workplace practices of a company like google or Goldman Sachs with a government worker earning $90k. Pay me $900k and I’ll go into the office 5 days a week without a peep.

The avg goldman employeee is making way less than $900K and the avg gov employee is making more than $90K.

Chase literally have thousands of tellers in person making around 45k in person which is 1/2 the 90k govt salary

Do you think NPS park rangers make 90k?! They don't. They're making 45k and working in person, on their feet all day unlike the Chase bank teller. NPS park staff are GS 3/5/7 sometimes a 9 and not all get full time hours. Plenty of feds have jobs in passport offices in person, social security offices in person or are VA nurses.

Yes the average fed makes 85k (not 90k) but it's averaging out salaries like the SEC where they make over 200k.