What is going to happen to the RTO?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully flexibility loosens up soon. I am burning sick leave today because my kid has pink eye. Such a waste of productivity.

This the reason why we have the RTO.

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this is why there needs to be flexibility to WFH. A parent just needs to be home with sick kid, not attending to them 24/7.

I WFH private sector and my teen had wisdom teeth removed and other than the half-day leave I took one morning, I was able to work and be productive the rest of that day and all day the next while he mostly slept from the drugs.

That is costing the company a day productivity as you would have taking a vacation day. Now you basically did nothing on that day and saved your time off.

Stop projecting. Just because you’re lazy doesn’t mean everyone else is.

Exactly. Every PP on here who rails against WFH is broadcasting that they are lazy and unmotivated. They are not productive unless directly under the eye of their supervisor and even then I'm sure they are the ones wasting half the day while they are in the office. They assume everyone else is as lazy and sneaky as they are.

Well, we're not. Lots of feds do the job they do, because they believe in the mission. We can work hard anywhere. You lazy jerks can speak for yourselves only.

+1 they are projecting. BIL believes no one should work from home, when he had the opportunity he spent the days playing video games. He cannot comprehend that we have work ethic.

[Anonymous]

Traffic is beyond horrible now thanks to the RTO. It makes no sense for Northern VA at least. Fairfax in particular is an absolute nightmare now and people are driving like absolute psychopaths on 66. You all need to go back to your WFH/hybrid schedules because this is not sustainable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Traffic is beyond horrible now thanks to the RTO. It makes no sense for Northern VA at least. Fairfax in particular is an absolute nightmare now and people are driving like absolute psychopaths on 66. You all need to go back to your WFH/hybrid schedules because this is not sustainable

There’s no way that your (or anyone else’s) commute is going to factor into any of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic is beyond horrible now thanks to the RTO. It makes no sense for Northern VA at least. Fairfax in particular is an absolute nightmare now and people are driving like absolute psychopaths on 66. You all need to go back to your WFH/hybrid schedules because this is not sustainable

There’s no way that your (or anyone else’s) commute is going to factor into any of this.

No it is though

[Anonymous]

Putting the trolls aside, it sounds like sadly this was a false alarm. RTO isn’t going anywhere at the moment. I’m in my 40s. Husband makes plenty in the private sector, I was holding on trying to make it work but it really is just so hard. Started applying to jobs one month in and have had some good interviews with companies that are hybrid. I’ll probably take the first offer I get, even though I really enjoy my fed job and don’t want to leave. It’s just not fair to my family to stay with less pay and such little flexibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic is beyond horrible now thanks to the RTO. It makes no sense for Northern VA at least. Fairfax in particular is an absolute nightmare now and people are driving like absolute psychopaths on 66. You all need to go back to your WFH/hybrid schedules because this is not sustainable

There’s no way that your (or anyone else’s) commute is going to factor into any of this.

No it is though

You think traffic is going to lead the administration to reconsider RTO?

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic is beyond horrible now thanks to the RTO. It makes no sense for Northern VA at least. Fairfax in particular is an absolute nightmare now and people are driving like absolute psychopaths on 66. You all need to go back to your WFH/hybrid schedules because this is not sustainable

There’s no way that your (or anyone else’s) commute is going to factor into any of this.

No it is though

You think traffic is going to lead the administration to reconsider RTO?

I would hope. Don’t Dems care about the environment? All these cars are not good for the environment. We saw it during the pandemic. Northern Virginia is impossible to drive around now

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a non fed…I feel like they will have to cave on RTO / provide better benefits moving forward to get anyone to work for the govt. I am fairly young (early 30s) and I cannot imagine any of my peers wanting to work there after all this chaos.

EXACTLY. You’d have to be totally insane or very very desperate to be a fed for like the next 25-plus years. I don’t care who gets elected. This whole dumpster fire has demonstrated how awful and broken and fragile the system was.

CBAs — ignored. Civil service laws — ignored. Decency — ignored. Can have your entire status changed based on a EO (schedule F). Treated like idiots/children with 5 bullets, etc. And the courts are worthless as they look the other way based on academic technicalities like “standing.”

I’d recommend that a young professional be an asbestos removal tech before being a Fed. At least the former is somewhat respected and is treated with some decency. And probably better pay and job security.

What’s so crazy to me is that these law exist to prevent exactly what is happening now.

Basically every developed democracy has some form of protections for government employees to avoid planting of loyalists and corruption, to ensure continuity of services between administrations, and to make qualified people want to take these jobs because who wants to risk getting fired in a turnover every 4 years.

Now we all get the DOGE clowns running around and nobody competent wants to work here anymore.

All the MAGA idiots are like durr hurr hurr, me angry feds have good jobs, let’s cheer on firing them because some billionaires told me to.

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Anonymous wrote:If your "job" can be done at home, then it will likely be put on the chopping block and outsourced or eliminated.

Technology has defeated those jobs.

Eh. Everyone I know with professional jobs in the private sector can do their job at home a day or two a week. If being able to use a computer and email in your home office is the line then no job should be safe.

Those jobs will be replaced. Really it will return to physical labor jobs being the only secure ones, talking more complicated physical labor jobs, not robotic factory assembly line ones that robots can do.

It's so weird that you cling to a narrative that is both false and grim. A happy fantasy I would understand, but trying to push an idea that is bad for everyone and also demonstrably untrue is really odd.
I would love to know what you did for a living before you retired.

You're delusional. If AI can replace nurses, doctors, and lawyers, what makes you think your precious white collar job won't fall victim to AI? Even IT professionals are losing jobs to AI.

AI cannot replace nurses, doctors, and lawyers.

DP but sure it can, and already is in the stages of doing so.

Of those, nurses would be the least likely to be replaced, as they are doing physical labor that cannot be done by a computer, or even robotics at this point in time.

Doctors can easily be replaced by machines/booths that a patient is hooked up to, scanned, and a full physical exam performed on in just minutes, much better than a whole team of doctors could do in weeks. Virtual diagnosing is already common among the profession, and just the start of that trend.

Lawyer are the MOST susceptible to being replaced by AI of the ones you list, as AI can peruse millions of court cases in microseconds and counter argue a point, bring up an objection, and cite previous law in seconds. Something not even hundreds of human lawyers working for months on a case could do.

It is amazing how people don't realize all this. Mostly it is just fear and depression of uncertainty in their field of work.

Google, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. are not spending billions of dollars on AI tech just for kids to play with online, it will replace human workers in every area possible.

And this will be a good thing overall.

Just how people decried the use of tractors and machinery replacing slaves and workers, AI will replace humans in many fields of work.

I think this would be a good thing if normal people could reap the benefits with having easier and/or shortened workdays, but literally all the benefits will go to the large corporations. It’s not like the average American is suddenly going to have a good paying job with fewer hours. No, it will be fewer Americans with 40+ hour/week jobs to oversee the robots while the masses are unemployed and the birth rate continues to drop.

Not to mention it’s depressing to think about living on a world where we interact with robots for everything. While I wouldn’t mind a doctor who can use AI to research my medical conditions, I don’t want to be completely treated by a machine. I don’t even like the self checkout line at the grocery store. What a stupid world where we make ourselves functionally obsolete.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic is beyond horrible now thanks to the RTO. It makes no sense for Northern VA at least. Fairfax in particular is an absolute nightmare now and people are driving like absolute psychopaths on 66. You all need to go back to your WFH/hybrid schedules because this is not sustainable

There’s no way that your (or anyone else’s) commute is going to factor into any of this.

No it is though

You think traffic is going to lead the administration to reconsider RTO?

I would hope. Don’t Dems care about the environment? All these cars are not good for the environment. We saw it during the pandemic. Northern Virginia is impossible to drive around now

Dems have no say in any of this.

[Anonymous]

There are still agencies doing DRP. They won't ease up on RTO until all of those programs get enough people and probably not until all of the RIFs are completed. I think we have a long way to go.

[Anonymous]

https://apnews.com/article/fda-remote-work-telework-f7b6036c62f44359b5d04fafb9eb5fec

Again, once enough people retire, are RIFed, agencies are going to have to bring back some flexibility. And it’s already starting.

[Anonymous]

The rest of the country hears that someone has a 20 mile commute and thinks, NBD, because they've never lived in the DC metro area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://apnews.com/article/fda-remote-work-telework-f7b6036c62f44359b5d04fafb9eb5fec

Again, once enough people retire, are RIFed, agencies are going to have to bring back some flexibility. And it’s already starting.

That's great news for them! Maybe the playbook is after the RIFs if we make it there's flexibility. Sad that this is what we have to look forward to.

[Anonymous]

The flexibility will
Not be like before. Once RTO is 5 days a week, the bat it would be 4 days a week after an year or so…
Unfortunately RTO is her to stay. Hybrid - 3 days in office is what most companies are now. It may increase to 4 days. I think 4 days will be the norm.