Should a coach travel on a family’s private plane?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

Connect the dots for me please because I'm not following. Coach spending time with parents--not alone with kids--equates to the 4 year sexual abuse of a minor like Curl did? What specific pattern of practices are going on here that are impermissible and violate safe sport? I don't see a plane ride with the parents as being a pattern of impermissible activities. Safe sport is all about power imbalance which isn't present here.

DP. Coach ingratiating himself with a family to the point that the family considers him a personal friend. Because the family considers this person a personal family friend and not just their child’s coach, they think nothing of their child spending time alone with the coach. The dots are not that hard to connect.

The missing dots are the child spending time alone with the coach. This is a ride in a plane with the family. Stop imagining scenarios of impropriety.

Are you really this obtuse? What people are saying is this is the type of chumminess between the family of a swimmer and a coach that can lead to a blurring of the boundaries between personal and professional and provide opportunity for an inappropriate relationship to go undetected. I’m not affiliated with either Tuckahoe or York and the optics of this are just not good in this day and age. I’m the parent of a teen female swimmer and our coaches do not try to engender a friendship with the parents for this very reason.

Chumminess is prohibited. Got it. We'll make sure to cancel parents bringing coffee and breakfasts to the coaches for appreciation days throughout the summer. We'll also be sure to shun the coach if we see him at the pool with his family.

Let's not lose sight of what is actually occurring here: a family offering a coach a ride. Nothing more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

Connect the dots for me please because I'm not following. Coach spending time with parents--not alone with kids--equates to the 4 year sexual abuse of a minor like Curl did? What specific pattern of practices are going on here that are impermissible and violate safe sport? I don't see a plane ride with the parents as being a pattern of impermissible activities. Safe sport is all about power imbalance which isn't present here.

DP. Coach ingratiating himself with a family to the point that the family considers him a personal friend. Because the family considers this person a personal family friend and not just their child’s coach, they think nothing of their child spending time alone with the coach. The dots are not that hard to connect.

The missing dots are the child spending time alone with the coach. This is a ride in a plane with the family. Stop imagining scenarios of impropriety.

Are you really this obtuse? What people are saying is this is the type of chumminess between the family of a swimmer and a coach that can lead to a blurring of the boundaries between personal and professional and provide opportunity for an inappropriate relationship to go undetected. I’m not affiliated with either Tuckahoe or York and the optics of this are just not good in this day and age. I’m the parent of a teen female swimmer and our coaches do not try to engender a friendship with the parents for this very reason.

Chumminess is prohibited. Got it. We'll make sure to cancel parents bringing coffee and breakfasts to the coaches for appreciation days throughout the summer. We'll also be sure to shun the coach if we see him at the pool with his family.

Let's not lose sight of what is actually occurring here: a family offering a coach a ride. Nothing more.

Exactly! It is all about the swimmer-coach interactions!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

Connect the dots for me please because I'm not following. Coach spending time with parents--not alone with kids--equates to the 4 year sexual abuse of a minor like Curl did? What specific pattern of practices are going on here that are impermissible and violate safe sport? I don't see a plane ride with the parents as being a pattern of impermissible activities. Safe sport is all about power imbalance which isn't present here.

DP. Coach ingratiating himself with a family to the point that the family considers him a personal friend. Because the family considers this person a personal family friend and not just their child’s coach, they think nothing of their child spending time alone with the coach. The dots are not that hard to connect.

The missing dots are the child spending time alone with the coach. This is a ride in a plane with the family. Stop imagining scenarios of impropriety.

Are you really this obtuse? What people are saying is this is the type of chumminess between the family of a swimmer and a coach that can lead to a blurring of the boundaries between personal and professional and provide opportunity for an inappropriate relationship to go undetected. I’m not affiliated with either Tuckahoe or York and the optics of this are just not good in this day and age. I’m the parent of a teen female swimmer and our coaches do not try to engender a friendship with the parents for this very reason.

Chumminess is prohibited. Got it. We'll make sure to cancel parents bringing coffee and breakfasts to the coaches for appreciation days throughout the summer. We'll also be sure to shun the coach if we see him at the pool with his family.

Let's not lose sight of what is actually occurring here: a family offering a coach a ride. Nothing more.

You mean appreciation days that all families are given the opportunity to participate in? I know you are being deliberately obstinate because you are probably affiliated in some way with this coach, but you do know there is a lot of space in between shunning and inviting a coach to travel to a meet on your private plane. I’m just saying that none of my child’s coaches would have accepted an offer from a swimmer’s family to hitch a ride to a travel meet on their private plane because it’s not a good look.

[Anonymous]

This guy is the worst, but I’d accept the plane ride. Probably the least despicable thing he has done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This guy is the worst, but I’d accept the plane ride. Probably the least despicable thing he has done.

It shows a lack of situational awareness. You have to ask yourself, I am the owner of a swim club, is it appropriate for me to accept a free ride to Florida on the private plane of the parents of one of my club’s swimmers, when the rest of the club’s swimmers and their families are footing their own travel bills? The answer to that is no.

[Anonymous]

But this isn’t for the club he owns. He’s recruiting well-off families from the club he currently coaches to help him get the new club running next year. And it seems like York really doesn’t care.

Are the optics great? No… but when has he ever cared about that? Always seems to work out in his favor.

Maybe people will eventually catch on…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This guy is the worst, but I’d accept the plane ride. Probably the least despicable thing he has done.

It shows a lack of situational awareness. You have to ask yourself, I am the owner of a swim club, is it appropriate for me to accept a free ride to Florida on the private plane of the parents of one of my club’s swimmers, when the rest of the club’s swimmers and their families are footing their own travel bills? The answer to that is no.

To clarify, the main problem is now a lack of situational awareness, not because of the plane ride, but because other parents and swimmers paid their own travel bills. We went from allegations of safe sport violations to lack of sensitivity to other people's feelings.

[Anonymous]

Does York pay for coaches travel fees? This dudes been hobbling around on a cane. He can’t be traveling economy. He’s turning these kids into the next Olympic gold medalists, as he did with Torri Huske.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy is the worst, but I’d accept the plane ride. Probably the least despicable thing he has done.

It shows a lack of situational awareness. You have to ask yourself, I am the owner of a swim club, is it appropriate for me to accept a free ride to Florida on the private plane of the parents of one of my club’s swimmers, when the rest of the club’s swimmers and their families are footing their own travel bills? The answer to that is no.

To clarify, the main problem is now a lack of situational awareness, not because of the plane ride, but because other parents and swimmers paid their own travel bills. We went from allegations of safe sport violations to lack of sensitivity to other people's feelings.

I never said this was a safe sport violation, but it is exactly the kind of thing coaches should be smart enough to avoid. As the owner/head coach of a club you have an obligation to be aware of all of these things. You are held to a higher standard. You should be aware that accepting favors from a swimmer’s family is not appropriate. You should not be trying to curry favor with the parents of one of your swimmers. I would absolutely not want my teenage female swimmer swimming for someone who couldn’t grasp these most basic of concepts. But you clearly you feel comfortable with the guy and his decision making (or you are someone he curries favor with), so have at it. But as someone who does not know him, and he presumably is trying to drum up business in the swimming community, this is off putting to say the least.

[Anonymous]

There is a lot to unpack here. Coach T requires use of a cane? Isn’t he 30 years old?

Coach T was in Florida for meets? Did he not quit York to start Hydra? Is this a York meet? If he was working York pay for his travel?

What airport does the PJ fly out of? So many questions

[Anonymous]

Coach T makes many questionable decisions but the lemmings at Tuckahoe will blindly defend him as long as they continue to win…sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot to unpack here. Coach T requires use of a cane? Isn’t he 30 years old?

Coach T was in Florida for meets? Did he not quit York to start Hydra? Is this a York meet? If he was working York pay for his travel?

What airport does the PJ fly out of? So many questions

He was/is working York. He never quit working for York. The fact that York didn't fire him when this all started back in January is mind blowing and really makes me question their club management.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a lot to unpack here. Coach T requires use of a cane? Isn’t he 30 years old?

Coach T was in Florida for meets? Did he not quit York to start Hydra? Is this a York meet? If he was working York pay for his travel?

What airport does the PJ fly out of? So many questions

He was/is working York. He never quit working for York. The fact that York didn't fire him when this all started back in January is mind blowing and really makes me question their club management.

+1. Ridiculous

[Anonymous]

So.many mids posting on this site

With small, floppy, limp....opinions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So.many mids posting on this site

With small, floppy, limp....opinions

Ok bruh.