Should a coach travel on a family’s private plane?

[Anonymous]

I really think this is more fever dreams by T haters. I’m embarrassed to say that I went through that link and neither Tuckahoe ‘a’ meet rep is listed as owning a plane. Also I’m pretty sure T stayed in Florida between the senior meet and the age group meet going on right now. And on the off chance this is true, who flipping cares. There are plenty of legit reasons to be concerned about T as a club owner, focus on those not innuendos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. Coach is being short sighted and dazzled by the private plane. The rest of the club will always suspect the coach of favoritism and being beholden to the private plane swimmer. They might be able to get away with it once, but when the coach accepts other favors and perks, the rest of the team will always resent the relationship.

What kind of favoritism are you envisioning? Swimming is entirely time based.

Correct, but coaching matters and favoritism can be shown by coaching/paying attention too some kids more than others during practice.

The kinds of and quantity of reps for a swimmer given an event that are optimal could vary greatly. From what I've seen they don't really have special per event coaching on a day-to-day basis.

Everyone in travel sports know what the "elite" out of state exclusive events are about. Here's a hint, it's not the swimming. If you fly far enough you can find someone they can beat. But if people want to go do that for fun, it's fine. Your eco-save-the-dolphins bunny ears will get jet fuel on them though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. Coach is being short sighted and dazzled by the private plane. The rest of the club will always suspect the coach of favoritism and being beholden to the private plane swimmer. They might be able to get away with it once, but when the coach accepts other favors and perks, the rest of the team will always resent the relationship.

What kind of favoritism are you envisioning? Swimming is entirely time based.

Correct, but coaching matters and favoritism can be shown by coaching/paying attention too some kids more than others during practice.

So the concern would be if a coach shows too much or not enough attention to a kid during practice, not whether he gets a ride with a family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. Coach is being short sighted and dazzled by the private plane. The rest of the club will always suspect the coach of favoritism and being beholden to the private plane swimmer. They might be able to get away with it once, but when the coach accepts other favors and perks, the rest of the team will always resent the relationship.

What kind of favoritism are you envisioning? Swimming is entirely time based.

Correct, but coaching matters and favoritism can be shown by coaching/paying attention too some kids more than others during practice.

So the concern would be if a coach shows too much or not enough attention to a kid during practice, not whether he gets a ride with a family.

Most of the other parents would be concerned with whether they are getting their value out of their time and money. If the basic premise is pay X and get Y, but it turns out they are getting Y-1 because someone else paid X+10 to get Y+1, that would be frustrating. EG if it feels like a zero-sum game (or less). Which well it is competitive after all. If the value proposition is parent pays X and gets Y+1 because someone else paid X+10 to get Y+2. They might be fine with that, but it remains to be seen what the benefit for the others would be if any. Does the team have a booster club/company sponsor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really think this is more fever dreams by T haters. I’m embarrassed to say that I went through that link and neither Tuckahoe ‘a’ meet rep is listed as owning a plane. Also I’m pretty sure T stayed in Florida between the senior meet and the age group meet going on right now. And on the off chance this is true, who flipping cares. There are plenty of legit reasons to be concerned about T as a club owner, focus on those not innuendos.

To reiterate: it happened. There are photos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

The sad thing in that case is it wasn’t a USA Swimming issue. It was a case of a bad person as a coach and totally oblivious parents who let him into their house. Safe Sport wouldn’t have stopped that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

The sad thing in that case is it wasn’t a USA Swimming issue. It was a case of a bad person as a coach and totally oblivious parents who let him into their house. Safe Sport wouldn’t have stopped that.

Um. it was in fact a USA swimming issue. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/24/sports/kelley-davies-currin-seeks-ouster-of-usa-swimming-officials-after-coachs-abuse.html

Um.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

Connect the dots for me please because I'm not following. Coach spending time with parents--not alone with kids--equates to the 4 year sexual abuse of a minor like Curl did? What specific pattern of practices are going on here that are impermissible and violate safe sport? I don't see a plane ride with the parents as being a pattern of impermissible activities. Safe sport is all about power imbalance which isn't present here.

[Anonymous]

Someone is mad Coach T kicked machine out of their practice site and beats them in NVSL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone is mad Coach T kicked machine out of their practice site and beats them in NVSL.

Maybe someone is. However, I don't know the guy and don't give a f* about T or how he travels to meets; we've moved on from this crap as have others families I've spoken to. (affected Machine parent currently at Tuckahoe).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

Connect the dots for me please because I'm not following. Coach spending time with parents--not alone with kids--equates to the 4 year sexual abuse of a minor like Curl did? What specific pattern of practices are going on here that are impermissible and violate safe sport? I don't see a plane ride with the parents as being a pattern of impermissible activities. Safe sport is all about power imbalance which isn't present here.

DP. Coach ingratiating himself with a family to the point that the family considers him a personal friend. Because the family considers this person a personal family friend and not just their child’s coach, they think nothing of their child spending time alone with the coach. The dots are not that hard to connect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think this is more fever dreams by T haters. I’m embarrassed to say that I went through that link and neither Tuckahoe ‘a’ meet rep is listed as owning a plane. Also I’m pretty sure T stayed in Florida between the senior meet and the age group meet going on right now. And on the off chance this is true, who flipping cares. There are plenty of legit reasons to be concerned about T as a club owner, focus on those not innuendos.

To reiterate: it happened. There are photos.

Where are the photos? What social media outlet? Also Mr/Ms know it all, whose plane was it?

T’s plane? The reps plane? A sponsor’s plan? A family friend’s plane? Give some real actual facts so that people have the full story before judging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

Connect the dots for me please because I'm not following. Coach spending time with parents--not alone with kids--equates to the 4 year sexual abuse of a minor like Curl did? What specific pattern of practices are going on here that are impermissible and violate safe sport? I don't see a plane ride with the parents as being a pattern of impermissible activities. Safe sport is all about power imbalance which isn't present here.

DP. Coach ingratiating himself with a family to the point that the family considers him a personal friend. Because the family considers this person a personal family friend and not just their child’s coach, they think nothing of their child spending time alone with the coach. The dots are not that hard to connect.

The missing dots are the child spending time alone with the coach. This is a ride in a plane with the family. Stop imagining scenarios of impropriety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, safe sport guidelines…

Coaches should avoid having athletes as their favorites. They should also avoid creating a
situation that could be perceived as them having favorites.

Gift-giving, providing special favors or showing favoritism to individual athletes is strongly
discouraged.

This is a piece of safe sport I think is narrow and short sighted. There are situations, especially when a club coach also has swimmers/families at summer swim where they are like family. I think there is a difference between a coach who is a creep and coach who grew up two doors down and is a close family friend.

Like Rick Curl? Same pattern of practices if the OP contention is true. (From an NCAP-Burke parent)

Connect the dots for me please because I'm not following. Coach spending time with parents--not alone with kids--equates to the 4 year sexual abuse of a minor like Curl did? What specific pattern of practices are going on here that are impermissible and violate safe sport? I don't see a plane ride with the parents as being a pattern of impermissible activities. Safe sport is all about power imbalance which isn't present here.

DP. Coach ingratiating himself with a family to the point that the family considers him a personal friend. Because the family considers this person a personal family friend and not just their child’s coach, they think nothing of their child spending time alone with the coach. The dots are not that hard to connect.

The missing dots are the child spending time alone with the coach. This is a ride in a plane with the family. Stop imagining scenarios of impropriety.

Are you really this obtuse? What people are saying is this is the type of chumminess between the family of a swimmer and a coach that can lead to a blurring of the boundaries between personal and professional and provide opportunity for an inappropriate relationship to go undetected. I’m not affiliated with either Tuckahoe or York and the optics of this are just not good in this day and age. I’m the parent of a teen female swimmer and our coaches do not try to engender a friendship with the parents for this very reason.