Quince Orchard high school - recent experiences

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.


RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.


Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.


The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0

You don't need a strong math program in MS. Have him do extra math stuff outside of school and aim for Poolesville SMCS later. Did not look, but I bet scores for clemente are even worse


Why skip clemente MS and going to LPMS if there's an option? I am asking because he has really high IQ (private testing for many reasons) and he wants competitive math which current school cannot provide. His another strength are chess and history/geography. I don't know what those extra stuffs are for supplement you mention here because no families at RCES care about axademic. If you know, can you share resources? They only care about sports every time I talk to them.


PP, I feel for you.

That person simply doesn’t value learning. Of course a strong math program is important at all grade levels.

I would definitely recommend looking into the magnet program options.

Alternatively, would private school be an option for your family? If you’re comfortable with Catholic school, Mary of Nazareth is in Gaithersburg and is well regarded. The academics are good quality. They have a STEM lab that looks pretty cool.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.


The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.


They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.


You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.


You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.


That’s nice. I appreciate the fact that my kid is learning grammar, proper handwriting, reading full physical books, getting the full slate of daily recess, PE, art, science, etc.

But if you want to cast private school as solely an effort by rich families to exclude themselves from society, go for it. The rest of us will recognize that an excellent private school really does provide a great foundational education.

Dp.. do you not realize that there are many kids from public schools who end up at Top 20 colleges? How did they do that if they have terrible writing?

Do you think public ES kids don't get daily recess? Many/most do. I'll grant you that privates can provide better facilities and afford more specials because you are paying for it. No different than parents paying for extra curriculars for sports or the arts. This is probably cheaper than paying for private.

Also, no one writes in handwriting anymore except really old people. Colleges all use laptops and all assignments are electronic. If you want to appear smarter than you are, don't mention the handwriting being taught in private as a selling point. It's not that big of a deal, really. oh, and my kids learned how to handwrite in ES. They just never need to use it. One is almost out of college.

I will say that the small class sizes of private schools is appealing to me, but my kids would've hated it.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.


The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.


They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.


You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.


You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.


That’s nice. I appreciate the fact that my kid is learning grammar, proper handwriting, reading full physical books, getting the full slate of daily recess, PE, art, science, etc.

But if you want to cast private school as solely an effort by rich families to exclude themselves from society, go for it. The rest of us will recognize that an excellent private school really does provide a great foundational education.

Dp.. do you not realize that there are many kids from public schools who end up at Top 20 colleges? How did they do that if they have terrible writing?

Do you think public ES kids don't get daily recess? Many/most do. I'll grant you that privates can provide better facilities and afford more specials because you are paying for it. No different than parents paying for extra curriculars for sports or the arts. This is probably cheaper than paying for private.

Also, no one writes in handwriting anymore except really old people. Colleges all use laptops and all assignments are electronic. If you want to appear smarter than you are, don't mention the handwriting being taught in private as a selling point. It's not that big of a deal, really. oh, and my kids learned how to handwrite in ES. They just never need to use it. One is almost out of college.

I will say that the small class sizes of private schools is appealing to me, but my kids would've hated it.


Just because a kid got into the same college doesn’t mean the quality of their education was the same.

You also decided to harp on handwriting, while ignoring nearly everything else I wrote. Convenient.

I love how everyone in the MCPS forum craps on MCPS, but as soon as anyone says they send their kid to private school, suddenly MCPS is awesome.
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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.


RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.


Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.


The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0

You don't need a strong math program in MS. Have him do extra math stuff outside of school and aim for Poolesville SMCS later. Did not look, but I bet scores for clemente are even worse


Why skip clemente MS and going to LPMS if there's an option? I am asking because he has really high IQ (private testing for many reasons) and he wants competitive math which current school cannot provide. His another strength are chess and history/geography. I don't know what those extra stuffs are for supplement you mention here because no families at RCES care about axademic. If you know, can you share resources? They only care about sports every time I talk to them.

It’s been 6 years since I had a child at RCES, but that wasn’t our experience at all. Granted, my kids aren’t athletes so maybe that’s why nobody talked to us about sports, but there was definitely a culture that supported academics. Grades, test scores, reading levels, the spelling bee, the science fair, the CES were all very important to parents.
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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.


RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.


Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.


The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0

You don't need a strong math program in MS. Have him do extra math stuff outside of school and aim for Poolesville SMCS later. Did not look, but I bet scores for clemente are even worse


Why skip clemente MS and going to LPMS if there's an option? I am asking because he has really high IQ (private testing for many reasons) and he wants competitive math which current school cannot provide. His another strength are chess and history/geography. I don't know what those extra stuffs are for supplement you mention here because no families at RCES care about axademic. If you know, can you share resources? They only care about sports every time I talk to them.


PP, I feel for you.

That person simply doesn’t value learning. Of course a strong math program is important at all grade levels.

I would definitely recommend looking into the magnet program options.

Alternatively, would private school be an option for your family? If you’re comfortable with Catholic school, Mary of Nazareth is in Gaithersburg and is well regarded. The academics are good quality. They have a STEM lab that looks pretty cool.

Well that is a bold assumption! My kid actually went to Clemente 6 years ago. I have kept up with the school a bit and the magnet program itself and it's not what it used to be. Getting in now is basically a lottery at some minimum score so probably unlikely even an option for this kid unless this is changed.

From Clemente my kid went on to PHS SMCS and said this was the first time math was even remotely challenging. I would also not send a kid with 504 / IEP to Clemente. My kid took the same classes at Clemente that they would have at LMPS. At that time there was a great peer group though so that made it worth it. I don't think that is the case today.

I would enroll your kid in competitive chess to start my kid loved that at this age.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.


The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.


They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.


You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.


You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.


That’s nice. I appreciate the fact that my kid is learning grammar, proper handwriting, reading full physical books, getting the full slate of daily recess, PE, art, science, etc.

But if you want to cast private school as solely an effort by rich families to exclude themselves from society, go for it. The rest of us will recognize that an excellent private school really does provide a great foundational education.

Dp.. do you not realize that there are many kids from public schools who end up at Top 20 colleges? How did they do that if they have terrible writing?

Do you think public ES kids don't get daily recess? Many/most do. I'll grant you that privates can provide better facilities and afford more specials because you are paying for it. No different than parents paying for extra curriculars for sports or the arts. This is probably cheaper than paying for private.

Also, no one writes in handwriting anymore except really old people. Colleges all use laptops and all assignments are electronic. If you want to appear smarter than you are, don't mention the handwriting being taught in private as a selling point. It's not that big of a deal, really. oh, and my kids learned how to handwrite in ES. They just never need to use it. One is almost out of college.

I will say that the small class sizes of private schools is appealing to me, but my kids would've hated it.


Just because a kid got into the same college doesn’t mean the quality of their education was the same.

You also decided to harp on handwriting, while ignoring nearly everything else I wrote. Convenient.

I love how everyone in the MCPS forum craps on MCPS, but as soon as anyone says they send their kid to private school, suddenly MCPS is awesome.

Well, even with the "low quality" of public education, some of these kids are doing really well in the top colleges.

If you re-read my post, you will see that I also did mention things like PE, and other specials. Maybe you went to a bad public school, and that's why you hate publics so much and didn't fully read my post. IDK.

I never said MCPS was "awesome". I have a lot of issues with it, but I don't think the academics at a private school are any better, not really. I think the environment and facilities are nicer. At one point, I seriously contemplated sending my younger DC to private because they need more individualized attention. I do think privates are definitely better for that.
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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.


RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.


Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.


The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0

You don't need a strong math program in MS. Have him do extra math stuff outside of school and aim for Poolesville SMCS later. Did not look, but I bet scores for clemente are even worse


Why skip clemente MS and going to LPMS if there's an option? I am asking because he has really high IQ (private testing for many reasons) and he wants competitive math which current school cannot provide. His another strength are chess and history/geography. I don't know what those extra stuffs are for supplement you mention here because no families at RCES care about axademic. If you know, can you share resources? They only care about sports every time I talk to them.

It’s been 6 years since I had a child at RCES, but that wasn’t our experience at all. Granted, my kids aren’t athletes so maybe that’s why nobody talked to us about sports, but there was definitely a culture that supported academics. Grades, test scores, reading levels, the spelling bee, the science fair, the CES were all very important to parents.


I have asked teachers at RCES for possible enrichment and more information for CES, they tell me that they don't know much about it. It does not make sense to me because some of them have taught there for decades. I never hear about spelling bees, and all I hear is that they stress on attenance and try to provide resources to help kids that fall behind to the average levels.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.


The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.


They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.


You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.


You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.


That’s nice. I appreciate the fact that my kid is learning grammar, proper handwriting, reading full physical books, getting the full slate of daily recess, PE, art, science, etc.

But if you want to cast private school as solely an effort by rich families to exclude themselves from society, go for it. The rest of us will recognize that an excellent private school really does provide a great foundational education.

Dp.. do you not realize that there are many kids from public schools who end up at Top 20 colleges? How did they do that if they have terrible writing?

Do you think public ES kids don't get daily recess? Many/most do. I'll grant you that privates can provide better facilities and afford more specials because you are paying for it. No different than parents paying for extra curriculars for sports or the arts. This is probably cheaper than paying for private.

Also, no one writes in handwriting anymore except really old people. Colleges all use laptops and all assignments are electronic. If you want to appear smarter than you are, don't mention the handwriting being taught in private as a selling point. It's not that big of a deal, really. oh, and my kids learned how to handwrite in ES. They just never need to use it. One is almost out of college.

I will say that the small class sizes of private schools is appealing to me, but my kids would've hated it.


So you've missed all of the research that highlights and emphasizes the importance and value of handwriting in the education and information retention processes?

Sounds like it and you've out of step with evolving best practices and recommendations.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.


The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.


They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.


You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.


You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.


That’s nice. I appreciate the fact that my kid is learning grammar, proper handwriting, reading full physical books, getting the full slate of daily recess, PE, art, science, etc.

But if you want to cast private school as solely an effort by rich families to exclude themselves from society, go for it. The rest of us will recognize that an excellent private school really does provide a great foundational education.

Dp.. do you not realize that there are many kids from public schools who end up at Top 20 colleges? How did they do that if they have terrible writing?

Do you think public ES kids don't get daily recess? Many/most do. I'll grant you that privates can provide better facilities and afford more specials because you are paying for it. No different than parents paying for extra curriculars for sports or the arts. This is probably cheaper than paying for private.

Also, no one writes in handwriting anymore except really old people. Colleges all use laptops and all assignments are electronic. If you want to appear smarter than you are, don't mention the handwriting being taught in private as a selling point. It's not that big of a deal, really. oh, and my kids learned how to handwrite in ES. They just never need to use it. One is almost out of college.

I will say that the small class sizes of private schools is appealing to me, but my kids would've hated it.


So you've missed all of the research that highlights and emphasizes the importance and value of handwriting in the education and information retention processes?

Sounds like it and you've out of step with evolving best practices and recommendations.

I don't think it's the cursive writing (assuming that is what you mean by handwriting) that helps with retention, but writing on paper in general, which I agree with. It doesn't have to be in cursive (handwriting). And yes, I do wish that public schools didn't rely so much on the computer.

Still, it's true that no one handwrites anymore. Everything is on the computer, including in college. DC is a dual math/CS major, and even some of their math HW is done on the computer. I thought that was weird, but this is the way the future is.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how around here, people think QO’s having a highly successful football program with enthusiastic supporters is a bad thing. I grew up in Ohio, so to me, enthusiastic community support for your local football program is the norm.


We don’t think it’s a bad thing.

We think it’s bad that the school neglects everything except for football.

Exactly. Zero value seems to be placed on academics or useful academic clubs like at other schools.

Also, it's fishy that all these good football players show up after not attending any neighborhood ES or MS. It's not a local football team. it's verging on cheating.



Recruiting is not allowed in public school. If only 1 school has poor characters doing it then no other school has a chance to win. That's not on the verge. That's cheating.


It’s not cheating for a good player to move to the neighborhood


It is if the coaches are approaching them and them telling them how to get around the residency requirements without physically moving.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how around here, people think QO’s having a highly successful football program with enthusiastic supporters is a bad thing. I grew up in Ohio, so to me, enthusiastic community support for your local football program is the norm.


We don’t think it’s a bad thing.

We think it’s bad that the school neglects everything except for football.

Exactly. Zero value seems to be placed on academics or useful academic clubs like at other schools.

Also, it's fishy that all these good football players show up after not attending any neighborhood ES or MS. It's not a local football team. it's verging on cheating.



Recruiting is not allowed in public school. If only 1 school has poor characters doing it then no other school has a chance to win. That's not on the verge. That's cheating.


It’s not cheating for a good player to move to the neighborhood


It is if the coaches are approaching them and them telling them how to get around the residency requirements without physically moving.


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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.


The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.


They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.


You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.


You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.


That’s nice. I appreciate the fact that my kid is learning grammar, proper handwriting, reading full physical books, getting the full slate of daily recess, PE, art, science, etc.

But if you want to cast private school as solely an effort by rich families to exclude themselves from society, go for it. The rest of us will recognize that an excellent private school really does provide a great foundational education.

Dp.. do you not realize that there are many kids from public schools who end up at Top 20 colleges? How did they do that if they have terrible writing?

Do you think public ES kids don't get daily recess? Many/most do. I'll grant you that privates can provide better facilities and afford more specials because you are paying for it. No different than parents paying for extra curriculars for sports or the arts. This is probably cheaper than paying for private.

Also, no one writes in handwriting anymore except really old people. Colleges all use laptops and all assignments are electronic. If you want to appear smarter than you are, don't mention the handwriting being taught in private as a selling point. It's not that big of a deal, really. oh, and my kids learned how to handwrite in ES. They just never need to use it. One is almost out of college.

I will say that the small class sizes of private schools is appealing to me, but my kids would've hated it.


Just because a kid got into the same college doesn’t mean the quality of their education was the same.

You also decided to harp on handwriting, while ignoring nearly everything else I wrote. Convenient.

I love how everyone in the MCPS forum craps on MCPS, but as soon as anyone says they send their kid to private school, suddenly MCPS is awesome.

Well, even with the "low quality" of public education, some of these kids are doing really well in the top colleges.

If you re-read my post, you will see that I also did mention things like PE, and other specials. Maybe you went to a bad public school, and that's why you hate publics so much and didn't fully read my post. IDK.

I never said MCPS was "awesome". I have a lot of issues with it, but I don't think the academics at a private school are any better, not really. I think the environment and facilities are nicer. At one point, I seriously contemplated sending my younger DC to private because they need more individualized attention. I do think privates are definitely better for that.


I don’t hate public school. I went to a very good public school. I also went to excellent private schools.

My daughter has been in public and private school.

Having seen both environments first hand, I can confirm that the academics at good private schools are absolutely better. There’s more instruction in grammar, an effort to teach high quality writing from a young age, in depth science classes (my daughter will dissect a cow’s eye this year in ES), etc.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.


The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.


They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.


You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.


You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.


That’s nice. I appreciate the fact that my kid is learning grammar, proper handwriting, reading full physical books, getting the full slate of daily recess, PE, art, science, etc.

But if you want to cast private school as solely an effort by rich families to exclude themselves from society, go for it. The rest of us will recognize that an excellent private school really does provide a great foundational education.

Dp.. do you not realize that there are many kids from public schools who end up at Top 20 colleges? How did they do that if they have terrible writing?

Do you think public ES kids don't get daily recess? Many/most do. I'll grant you that privates can provide better facilities and afford more specials because you are paying for it. No different than parents paying for extra curriculars for sports or the arts. This is probably cheaper than paying for private.

Also, no one writes in handwriting anymore except really old people. Colleges all use laptops and all assignments are electronic. If you want to appear smarter than you are, don't mention the handwriting being taught in private as a selling point. It's not that big of a deal, really. oh, and my kids learned how to handwrite in ES. They just never need to use it. One is almost out of college.

I will say that the small class sizes of private schools is appealing to me, but my kids would've hated it.


So you've missed all of the research that highlights and emphasizes the importance and value of handwriting in the education and information retention processes?

Sounds like it and you've out of step with evolving best practices and recommendations.

I don't think it's the cursive writing (assuming that is what you mean by handwriting) that helps with retention, but writing on paper in general, which I agree with. It doesn't have to be in cursive (handwriting). And yes, I do wish that public schools didn't rely so much on the computer.

Still, it's true that no one handwrites anymore. Everything is on the computer, including in college. DC is a dual math/CS major, and even some of their math HW is done on the computer. I thought that was weird, but this is the way the future is.


I’m the PP who brought up handwriting.

I’m talking about writing on paper in general. Reading physical books in their entirety. Elementary school grades not using Chromebooks for everything.
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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.


RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.


Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.


The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0


I’m confused by this argument how are the kids that are not proficient in math gong to affect my child’s ability to be proficient in math
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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.


RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.


Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.


The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0


I’m confused by this argument how are the kids that are not proficient in math gong to affect my child’s ability to be proficient in math


First of all, I hope your child is learning how to use punctuation.

Second of all, the reason it’s important is because it suggests that the math instruction is poor.
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