Quince Orchard high school - recent experiences

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.

The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.

They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.

You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.

You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.

The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.

They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.

You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.

You are also kidding yourself if you think that your kid will end up on a wildly different trajectory if they are at a private instead of a school like Wootton. I think it comes down to family priorities. In our family being in a private school around a certain type of family sheltered form every day struggle is not where we want to be even if we can afford it. To each their own.

That’s nice. I appreciate the fact that my kid is learning grammar, proper handwriting, reading full physical books, getting the full slate of daily recess, PE, art, science, etc.

But if you want to cast private school as solely an effort by rich families to exclude themselves from society, go for it. The rest of us will recognize that an excellent private school really does provide a great foundational education.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Didn't realize there was this much dissatisfaction about QO! I'm at a DCC high school and I thought we were the ones who were the most dissatisfied with MCPS.

A lot of people in Kentlands/Lakelands in particular aren’t thrilled that we paid a premium for our homes, only to have a subpar HS.

Maybe if they didn't focus on football so much, the school would have better academics.

You think the academic staff is focusing on football? 🙄

I know you want to think QO is a good school, but it’s just not.

It has 3 stars on the state report card.

Fully 35% of the students are chronically absent.

Zero demographic groups hit the state target in math. Only 62% of white kids and 69% of Asian kids are proficient in math there. A dismal 16% of black kids are proficient in math.

ELA is better, but it’s the sole bright spot.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/H/1/15/0125/0

Wow - Wootton parent here who was going to defend QO but then clicked this link. I did not realize we were that far apart on Math proficiency. That is scary but for high achievers may work to their favor as far as college acceptance.

I don’t get why parents defend QO as loudly as they do given the simple statistics of lack of academic achievement at the school. Yes, there are wonderful teachers and yes there are some great kids and yes some kids will be just fine there and may even excel. My kid has been just fine there. But as a whole the numbers on academic achievement are really bad. Wootton and NW both score much higher. To improve QO parents really need to accept there is work to be done and hold the school accountable.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.

The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.

They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.

You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.

Purely anecdotal, but I have numerous friends with kids in private schools and certainly does not seem like their kids doing any better in college than the QO kids.

Also you don't know my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My kid is not into Sports and is also not a nerd, average student who would find AP classes difficult. How bad would it be for my kid? Are the Honors and regular classes filled with kids who don't care about going to college?

If you can afford it your child may be better off at private but with the change in leadership hard to know. QO pushes kids who should not take APs into APs (it looks better for the school on paper that way) so my guess is your child ends up in more APs than you expect. Lots of the kids in honors as well as APs do care about college and are great kids. The issue is disorganization/lack of academic support from the top down not ‘bad’ kids. And plenty of the teachers are really good! QO is not a terrible school it is just not as good as it should be based on its feeder schools.

The feeder schools aren’t that great.

I simply don’t understand why people in neighborhoods like Kentlands/Lakelands put up with such mediocre schools like LPMS and QOHS. Usually people who pay a premium for their homes don’t put up with that crap.

They are not putting up with that crap. They are at private schools.

I live in Lakelands and have had one kid attend LPMS and QO and one kid go to magnets for middle school and high school. The one who attended our home schools wasn’t as academically oriented and was well supported with a 504/IEP. For the other, the magnets were a blessing. We really haven’t had a bad experience with any school.

This is me as well. I am grateful for the magnet experience for by one child (as anyone would be who has this kind of kid). For my other kid, QO has been fine. I don't think they would be having a different experience at Wooton or a private school.

You’re kidding yourself if you think QO or Wootton is the same as an excellent private school.

Purely anecdotal, but I have numerous friends with kids in private schools and certainly does not seem like their kids doing any better in college than the QO kids.

Also you don't know my kid.

Have their kids talked to you about it? Do you have their transcripts?

If not, you really don’t know anything.

[Anonymous]

Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

Both middle school magnets are in Germantown. The STEM magnet is at Roberto Clemente and the humanities magnet is at MLK. There are magnet buses that pick up from RCES and QO that go to both magnets.

HS magnet buses pick up from QO. Poolesville has both math (SMACS) and humanities, plus it has the county’s only Global Ecology program.

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

MS magnets not worth it now since they are lottery.
Most popular HS magnets are Richard Montgomery and Poolesville. There are buses. Mine took from RCES.

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.

There are many more seats in special programs at the high school level. Middle school is the most competitive for admission.

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.

Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have a all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.

Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.

The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.

Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.

The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0

This used to be the case when admissions was based on CoGAT. I wouldn't send my kids to clemente now. IEP would transfer.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.

Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.

The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0

You don't need a strong math program in MS. Have him do extra math stuff outside of school and aim for Poolesville SMCS later. Did not look, but I bet scores for clemente are even worse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which are the closest magnet MS & HS from Rachel Carson ES? Do they provide busing? My kids are in Rachel Carsom ES now.

RCES has CES in 4th and 5th grades.

I believe the MS magnet options are Clemente for math or MLK for humanities. I don’t know that MCPS has a magnet option that covers all subjects.

For HS it would be Poolesville. You apply to a subject-based program.

The magnet programs are very, very competitive.

Are both Clemente magnet MS & MLK magnet MS in germantown better than lakeland MS? And, is it lottery based? I have an all A student, but he has IEP for emotional regulation and friendship. Does IEP goals transfer to other school? His strength is math.

The magnet programs are miles better than Lakelands Park.

Consider that only 37% of white students and 55% of Asian students are proficient in math at LPMS. For students with disabilities (which would likely include your child, given his IEP), it’s only 7%.

If he wants a strong math program, LPMS is not the place.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/M/1/15/0522/0

You don't need a strong math program in MS. Have him do extra math stuff outside of school and aim for Poolesville SMCS later. Did not look, but I bet scores for clemente are even worse

Why skip clemente MS and going to LPMS if there's an option? I am asking because he has really high IQ (private testing for many reasons) and he wants competitive math which current school cannot provide. His another strength are chess and history/geography. I don't know what those extra stuffs are for supplement you mention here because no families at RCES care about axademic. If you know, can you share resources? They only care about sports every time I talk to them.