If we defeat Trump, can we get the normal Republican party back please? Which Republicans have stood up to him?

[Anonymous]

Regardless of who wins the presidency in 2024, we’re not getting a “normal” Republican Party anytime soon. The GOP started courting evangelicals decades ago, but still continued a steady shift further to the right. They got rid of the Fairness Doctrine and built propaganda-friendly media. They devised long term schemes to shore up their political influence. They found innovative ways to suppress certain voters despite the Voting Rights Act. Gerrymandering got more extreme. More fringe elements were welcomed into their tent, like anti government militia types. They began aggressively court packing by blocking as many Democratic appointed nominees as possible, creating more openings for future Republican nominations. They capitulated to Tea Party types. They elevated Sarah Palin to prominence. The table was set for a candidate like Trump. White Christian Nationalists were given a home.

Trump didn’t come along and ruin the Republican Party. He is the Frankenstein they’ve been building. He is the inevitable progression of the path they’ve been on for years. The Party has abandoned all principles except for opposing the Democrats. The GOP can’t return to longtime political norms because they’ll lose their base. There aren’t enough conservative normies to get Republicans elected right now. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that their party was taken away from them; it was given away by party leaders.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Win or lose, the old Republican Party is not coming back. No obvious leaders and more importantly very few followers for that old party.

We can all agree a republican such as Mitt Romney represented what OP characterizes as the “normal Republican Party.”

Biden told a Black audience that Mitt was “going to put Black people back in chains.”

And that is ok? Additionally, your radical identity politics, which are tearing our country apart, are ok??

Sorry dems: it was you who turned radical.

If you truly dislike trump, you have no one to blame for him but yourselves. You created his base.

the only reason Trump is in office is because the racist right lost their minds over a moderate president who happened to be black.

Don't hang this on the democrats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t get the original GOP back without getting rid of the Catholic and Evangelical political block. These are the factions bringing the most hate, stoking culture wars, pushing oppression of women, eradication of LGTB groups. They aren’t operating as religions anymore but as white male supremacy and tyrannical, cruel patriarchy with a heaping side of grifting going on. Talk about wolf in sheep’s clothing or following false prophets.
Look at the evangelicals applauding when Carlson shares his fantasy of beating a 15 year old girl. The religious right is driven by cloaking perverts and setting the agenda for the GOP.

Look at the major donors to the Republican Party. Pro Israel Jewish billionaires. They have contributed 2/3 of the money raise by republicans this cycle.

The GOP of 2024 is an unholy alliance of the Catholics and Protestants (the christian nationalists) along with the Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately . As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

This is what I always say. Once Trump is safely dead: "He wasn't so bad. It's JD (or whoever) who's truly the second coming of Hitler. It will be the end of America"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not OP, but we are looking for adults with intelligence and common sense back in the Repugnant party, not a bunch of rubes.

“Rubes” = middle and working class families from flyover country. Union members. Tradespeople. Firefighters. Cops. Nurses. Small business owners.


You want the old days where the republicans represented the blue blood coastal elites and big business. And lost.



Fine. You go ahead kick out all us rubes. Without us you’ll be the 10% of what the party is now. But at least you’ll get back on the cocktail party circuit.

Nope, the rubes are the people stupid enough to fall for Trump's BS.

The people you are describing are the working class Americans that the democrats have been supporting through support of unions, minimum wage increases, consumer protections, environmental protections, affordable healthcare, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Win or lose, the old Republican Party is not coming back. No obvious leaders and more importantly very few followers for that old party.

We can all agree a republican such as Mitt Romney represented what OP characterizes as the “normal Republican Party.”

Biden told a Black audience that Mitt was “going to put Black people back in chains.”

And that is ok? Additionally, your radical identity politics, which are tearing our country apart, are ok??

Sorry dems: it was you who turned radical.

If you truly dislike trump, you have no one to blame for him but yourselves. You created his base.

"Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to put you all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies."

Biden was not saying that anyone would literally be locked up with chains just like wall street isn't currently locked up in chains. It's called a metaphor. Freakin illiterate MAGA don't speak english.

Oh, so when Biden speaks on hyperbole, it’s totally understandable.

But when Trump speaks in hyperbole, it’s literal.


Got it.

Trump has made it clear he is not speaking on hyperbole.

So have his former generals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

Exactly! We nominated poor Mitt Romney and he was savaged by the Dems. Republican moderates and conservatives face the same treatment from the Democrats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t get the original GOP back without getting rid of the Catholic and Evangelical political block. These are the factions bringing the most hate, stoking culture wars, pushing oppression of women, eradication of LGTB groups. They aren’t operating as religions anymore but as white male supremacy and tyrannical, cruel patriarchy with a heaping side of grifting going on. Talk about wolf in sheep’s clothing or following false prophets.
Look at the evangelicals applauding when Carlson shares his fantasy of beating a 15 year old girl. The religious right is driven by cloaking perverts and setting the agenda for the GOP.

Look at the major donors to the Republican Party. Pro Israel Jewish billionaires. They have contributed 2/3 of the money raise by republicans this cycle.

As bad as Adelson is as a jewish pro-israel billionaire, it is more Musk, the Koch's, the Uhliene's, the Prince/deVos's etc who are far, far worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

These people are not republicans anymore, as Trump has kicked them out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

This is what I always say. Once Trump is safely dead: "He wasn't so bad. It's JD (or whoever) who's truly the second coming of Hitler. It will be the end of America"

You are so wrong. If we undergo an actual Holocaust in the future, I will still acknowledge Trump’s role on the path there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Course you want McCain and Romney back. They lost.

^^^ DING DING DING ^^^


Dems LOVE loser republicans.

Democrats love Republicans who are weak and/or support democrats.

The very second a republican acts strong or disagrees with democrats, they instantly morph into Hitler 2.0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone sane needs to appeal to the current Trump followers. That’s the only way to “take back” the party.

That isn't going to happen. A cult is a cult; you can't just replace the leader.

The problem the GOP has is that there is no platform other than fealty to dear leader.

What would the platform be?

[Anonymous]

So you want democrat and democrat lite.

No.