If we defeat Trump, can we get the normal Republican party back please? Which Republicans have stood up to him?

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Anonymous wrote:What is Hogan's future, if he loses to Alsobrooks? Hogan and Haley are the best hopes for a reasonable and electable GOP

MAGAs won't support them, They aren't Trumpy enough.

Most Americans actually do want secured borders. Democrat politicians promised us open borders for all.

??? This is not at all correct.

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bishop wrote:The root problem is that the entire political system is bought and paid for by the rich to take money from the citizens and provide poor value (think pharma costs, health care, cable companies, monopolies, monopsonies, some defense companies, etc., etc.). The system indeed is rigged in many sectors and it isn't being solved politically. Republicans, Democrats, traditional media, and special interests are in on it. Until that is addressed, you will have a large portion of the population looking to wreck the system. We need to take money out of politics or you will keep getting an angry voter base looking for an outlet, even if terrible.

We used to bust trusts and go after monopolies. Biden has a few folks who are aggressively pursuing this, especially FTC Commissioner Lina Khan. I really hope it continues if Harris wins. However, these cases take years to resolve.

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Anonymous wrote:What is Hogan's future, if he loses to Alsobrooks? Hogan and Haley are the best hopes for a reasonable and electable GOP

MAGAs won't support them, They aren't Trumpy enough.

Most Americans actually do want secured borders. Democrat politicians promised us open borders for all.

??? This is not at all correct.

LIAR. The entire world watched in horror how every single Democrat presidential candidate (including Kamala and Joe!) raised their hand in support of open borders when asked.

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If DT loses, my money for the future will be on Brian Kemp of GA. Popular and seemingly competent governor, and probably one of the rare ones left in the party who can bring MAGA and non-MAGA wings together. Because he has played a smart game of standing up to him without alienating MAGA totally.

Runner-up: JD Vance. Has the ability to adapt himself chameleon-like to whatever excites MAGA, with the ability to sound reasonable even as he sprinkles common sense talk with the most outrageous things. I wouldn't write him off, as I have met several moderate/independent Repub-leaning types who loathe Trump but seem to have a strange affinity to Vance.

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Anonymous wrote:If DT loses, my money for the future will be on Brian Kemp of GA. Popular and seemingly competent governor, and probably one of the rare ones left in the party who can bring MAGA and non-MAGA wings together. Because he has played a smart game of standing up to him without alienating MAGA totally.

Runner-up: JD Vance. Has the ability to adapt himself chameleon-like to whatever excites MAGA, with the ability to sound reasonable even as he sprinkles common sense talk with the most outrageous things. I wouldn't write him off, as I have met several moderate/independent Repub-leaning types who loathe Trump but seem to have a strange affinity to Vance.

No there is already a lot of talk of changing the party’s name to reflect Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:If DT loses, my money for the future will be on Brian Kemp of GA. Popular and seemingly competent governor, and probably one of the rare ones left in the party who can bring MAGA and non-MAGA wings together. Because he has played a smart game of standing up to him without alienating MAGA totally.

Runner-up: JD Vance. Has the ability to adapt himself chameleon-like to whatever excites MAGA, with the ability to sound reasonable even as he sprinkles common sense talk with the most outrageous things. I wouldn't write him off, as I have met several moderate/independent Repub-leaning types who loathe Trump but seem to have a strange affinity to Vance.

I'd agree. Would also add Youngkin. Kemp, Vance, and Youngkin seem to be navigating that very narrow space between the Trumper cultists and the never-Trumpers. It's a difficult space as Haley discovered. But those three seem to be managing pretty well. I'd think Kemp in particular would be a very tough opponent for President Harris in '28. Unlike Democrats, Republicans do primaries so there is a chance someone sane will emerge in the post-Trump era.

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Anonymous wrote:I do -- and I'm a Democrat. I'd much prefer to have elections between two sane, moral people with somewhat different but still acceptable visions for America. DH, who used to work on the Hill in high-level positions for Republicans, feels the same. He hates Trump with a passion.

I live in a midwestern red state and my and DH's boomer parents are all registered republicans and none have or will vote for Trump. The desire is out there so long as they are willing to listen to their constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:If DT loses, my money for the future will be on Brian Kemp of GA. Popular and seemingly competent governor, and probably one of the rare ones left in the party who can bring MAGA and non-MAGA wings together. Because he has played a smart game of standing up to him without alienating MAGA totally.

Runner-up: JD Vance. Has the ability to adapt himself chameleon-like to whatever excites MAGA, with the ability to sound reasonable even as he sprinkles common sense talk with the most outrageous things. I wouldn't write him off, as I have met several moderate/independent Repub-leaning types who loathe Trump but seem to have a strange affinity to Vance.

No, Vance is dead in the water after this week.

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Anonymous wrote:If DT loses, my money for the future will be on Brian Kemp of GA. Popular and seemingly competent governor, and probably one of the rare ones left in the party who can bring MAGA and non-MAGA wings together. Because he has played a smart game of standing up to him without alienating MAGA totally.

Runner-up: JD Vance. Has the ability to adapt himself chameleon-like to whatever excites MAGA, with the ability to sound reasonable even as he sprinkles common sense talk with the most outrageous things. I wouldn't write him off, as I have met several moderate/independent Repub-leaning types who loathe Trump but seem to have a strange affinity to Vance.

I would vote for Kemp. I would write in my kid before voting for Vance.

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Vance has something very wrong with him. He's just "off".

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Anonymous wrote:What is Hogan's future, if he loses to Alsobrooks? Hogan and Haley are the best hopes for a reasonable and electable GOP

MAGAs won't support them, They aren't Trumpy enough.

Most Americans actually do want secured borders. Democrat politicians promised us open borders for all.

??? This is not at all correct.

LIAR. The entire world watched in horror how every single Democrat presidential candidate (including Kamala and Joe!) raised their hand in support of open borders when asked.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

I do and I'm a lifelong Democrat. It would be great to know that no matter who won an election, at least someone sane had the nuclear codes.

My first election was the first time Bill Clinton ran and while his antics (sax playing on Arsenio Hall will be forever burned in my brain) rallied us 18 year olds to vote, I don't remember feeling like I do right now if it turned out he wasn't going to win.

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Anonymous wrote:No thanks, not unless we get the “normal” Democrat party back too.

What are you talking about? The extremist progressives in the D party are just a tiny bloc, like Tlaib, Omar etc. You DO understand they represent less than 2% of the D's, right? Right?

Wish I could say the same about Republicans that it were that small on their side. They have a MASSIVE MAGA percentage problem where it comes to basic reality, like their election denialism.

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Anonymous wrote:What is Hogan's future, if he loses to Alsobrooks? Hogan and Haley are the best hopes for a reasonable and electable GOP

MAGAs won't support them, They aren't Trumpy enough.

Most Americans actually do want secured borders. Democrat politicians promised us open borders for all.

??? This is not at all correct.

LIAR. The entire world watched in horror how every single Democrat presidential candidate (including Kamala and Joe!) raised their hand in support of open borders when asked.

YOU are the liar. That didn't happen. A majority of Democrats support the Bipartisan Border Bill which would INCREASE border security and staffing, SPEED UP deportations, TIGHTEN UP criteria for asylum seekers, CODIFY a "Remain-in-Mexico" type of approach and much more.

Stop lying.

And what IS true is that we all watched in horror as Trump picked up the phone to his MAGA nutjobs in the House and had them TANK that bill.

When all you have is lies, you have a losing position.

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Look at the coalition that came together on Immigration Reform and were ready to sign it into law before Dump got involved. That kind of group is giving me hope.