MoCo seeking feedback on proposal to limit single family zoning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are missing what brought us to live out here in the first place.
I love our expansive, multi acre lot. I love living among other people who value this, surrounded by families and people who value space, privacy, serenity, beautiful construction, everybody in our neighborhood takes impeccable care of their homes and their lots, and there is true safety and prosperity in our corner of Potomac.

I don’t want it ruined, simply so you guys can give a kick back to developers in an effort to alleviate the overcrowding in Silver Spring. It’s a hot mess and it won’t fix anything.

Another post that shows this isn't about the housing, it's about the people who (you fear) will live in the housing.

I get it: you like things the way they are, you don't want things to change. But "I, a current resident, don't want things to change" is not the basis for a sound housing policy for the county. Especially because things are going to change, whether the county changes the zoning or not.

Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

I see so many of my DD's co-workers who do not make wise choices with their money, they could already own a condo if they gave up some of the frivolous stuff they spend their money on, life choices is what is boils down to. I live with roommates or family for as long as I could when I was younger to save money for a down payment and worked two jobs, not because I wanted to but because I felt it was the only way I could get to where I wanted to live. Kinda sad not to see that drive in the younger generation today, I miss seeing it.

[Anonymous]

Leave your feedback directly!

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[Anonymous]

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https://www.change.org/p/protect-single-family-zoning-in-montgomery-county

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad we’re finally doing upzoning. For those supporting the attainable housing strategy, please consider supporting the zoning changes but opposing the proposed tax breaks. We really can’t afford them (the MCPS expansion budget is already underfunded), and they undermine planning’s assertion that infrastructure like schools will come with new housing because there won’t be enough money to pay for new schools.

You are “upzoning” on the backs of middle class and working class families who worked hard to save for a SFH and whose nest eggs are tied up in those homes. These developers are going to set up shop in Bethesda and Potomac.

Those people will all do just fine if they decide to sell their houses because their land is going to appreciate. They won’t do well if the county gives out more tax breaks to developers and makes up for it by increasing property taxes.

No they won’t do “just fine”. Their home values will depreciate and decline. That’s the whole point of rezoning. To reduce the costs of homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

Yeah, right. Mommy and daddy paid all expenses for your overpriced, paper pushing education, which allowed you to "save more diligently" than others. You also hit the jackpot on the cock carousel, allowing you to get him to buy you your home (or at least allow you to pool your money) in exchange for birthing his children. So spare us your sanctimonious BS about saving more diligently and being more successful.

Housing is not an investment. You're gonna learn the hard way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

Yeah, right. Mommy and daddy paid all expenses for your overpriced, paper pushing education, which allowed you to "save more diligently" than others. You also hit the jackpot on the cock carousel, allowing you to get him to buy you your home (or at least allow you to pool your money) in exchange for birthing his children. So spare us your sanctimonious BS about saving more diligently and being more successful.

Housing is not an investment. You're gonna learn the hard way.

Ha, nope.

Parents were very blue collar. Graduated with tons of debt I paid off. Zero help with a down payment. Unlike your worthless degree, I decided to study hard and picked engineering.

Don't get mad you're a renter little man. You are so mediocre at life, have reached middle age now, and are angry at your position in life. You want take your frustrations out on people more successful than you through their own hard work because you stink at life.

Keeping dreaming. As if no one the world has ever worked hard and achieved success. Go back to your sh!tty MoCo county govt or community activist job paying $45k a year. You should have studied harder in school and been more motivated. Don't take your small syndrome out on the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

Yeah, right. Mommy and daddy paid all expenses for your overpriced, paper pushing education, which allowed you to "save more diligently" than others. You also hit the jackpot on the cock carousel, allowing you to get him to buy you your home (or at least allow you to pool your money) in exchange for birthing his children. So spare us your sanctimonious BS about saving more diligently and being more successful.

Housing is not an investment. You're gonna learn the hard way.

Actually, housing is an investment. And it has been historically. Not sure where you are getting your “information” other than in the corridors of your resentment that people save for homes and rightfully expect that investment to be protected by their government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://moco360.media/2024/09/04/county-to-hear-from-public-on-proposal-to-limit-single-family-zoning/?utm_source=MoCo360&utm_campaign=2a42d0fbf4-POLITICS_NEWSLETTER_09132024&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1bbe9df5d9-2a42d0fbf4-105195105&mc_cid=2a42d0fbf4&mc_eid=d032765bbc

MoCo seeking feedback on proposal to limit single family zoning. Note dates for listening sessions.

Speak now or forever hold your peace.

Thanks for the link. You're right, I need to speak up. I will plan to go to one of the sessions to support the proposal.

If you want to live in a city, move to one. Let the rest of us enjoy the space we bought.

You bought your property. You didn't buy the neighborhood.

Complete BS to suggest there should not be any expectation related to the use of neighboring properties based on zoning at the time of purchase. There are reasonable expectations that changes to that zoning come from more standard approaches that rely more heavily on review by and input from the community.

Naked political move to achieve ends at others' expense. Following the money, ends for developers, non-resident property owners, RE agents, title companies, industry-related law firms, et al. Much more so than for those seeking a home.

The expectation that zoning will not change - or will only change if the current residents of the neighborhood agree - is not a reasonable expectation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are missing what brought us to live out here in the first place.
I love our expansive, multi acre lot. I love living among other people who value this, surrounded by families and people who value space, privacy, serenity, beautiful construction, everybody in our neighborhood takes impeccable care of their homes and their lots, and there is true safety and prosperity in our corner of Potomac.

I don’t want it ruined, simply so you guys can give a kick back to developers in an effort to alleviate the overcrowding in Silver Spring. It’s a hot mess and it won’t fix anything.

Another post that shows this isn't about the housing, it's about the people who (you fear) will live in the housing.

I get it: you like things the way they are, you don't want things to change. But "I, a current resident, don't want things to change" is not the basis for a sound housing policy for the county. Especially because things are going to change, whether the county changes the zoning or not.

Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I've been a homeowner in Montgomery County for 25 years. In fact, I've been a homeowner of a detached SFH in Montgomery County for 25 years. And yes, I support the proposal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are missing what brought us to live out here in the first place.
I love our expansive, multi acre lot. I love living among other people who value this, surrounded by families and people who value space, privacy, serenity, beautiful construction, everybody in our neighborhood takes impeccable care of their homes and their lots, and there is true safety and prosperity in our corner of Potomac.

I don’t want it ruined, simply so you guys can give a kick back to developers in an effort to alleviate the overcrowding in Silver Spring. It’s a hot mess and it won’t fix anything.

Another post that shows this isn't about the housing, it's about the people who (you fear) will live in the housing.

I get it: you like things the way they are, you don't want things to change. But "I, a current resident, don't want things to change" is not the basis for a sound housing policy for the county. Especially because things are going to change, whether the county changes the zoning or not.

Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I've been a homeowner in Montgomery County for 25 years. In fact, I've been a homeowner of a detached SFH in Montgomery County for 25 years. And yes, I support the proposal.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are missing what brought us to live out here in the first place.
I love our expansive, multi acre lot. I love living among other people who value this, surrounded by families and people who value space, privacy, serenity, beautiful construction, everybody in our neighborhood takes impeccable care of their homes and their lots, and there is true safety and prosperity in our corner of Potomac.

I don’t want it ruined, simply so you guys can give a kick back to developers in an effort to alleviate the overcrowding in Silver Spring. It’s a hot mess and it won’t fix anything.

Another post that shows this isn't about the housing, it's about the people who (you fear) will live in the housing.

I get it: you like things the way they are, you don't want things to change. But "I, a current resident, don't want things to change" is not the basis for a sound housing policy for the county. Especially because things are going to change, whether the county changes the zoning or not.

Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I've been a homeowner in Montgomery County for 25 years. In fact, I've been a homeowner of a detached SFH in Montgomery County for 25 years. And yes, I support the proposal.

Why?

Because the county needs more housing, of all types.
Because it makes sense to allow that housing to be built in many parts of the county, where there already is housing.
Because I am not afraid of renters or multi-unit housing.
Because I want Montgomery County to be a place where my kids will want to live, and be able to afford to live. And not just my kids, but all of the other kids in MCPS. All our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are missing what brought us to live out here in the first place.
I love our expansive, multi acre lot. I love living among other people who value this, surrounded by families and people who value space, privacy, serenity, beautiful construction, everybody in our neighborhood takes impeccable care of their homes and their lots, and there is true safety and prosperity in our corner of Potomac.

I don’t want it ruined, simply so you guys can give a kick back to developers in an effort to alleviate the overcrowding in Silver Spring. It’s a hot mess and it won’t fix anything.

Another post that shows this isn't about the housing, it's about the people who (you fear) will live in the housing.

I get it: you like things the way they are, you don't want things to change. But "I, a current resident, don't want things to change" is not the basis for a sound housing policy for the county. Especially because things are going to change, whether the county changes the zoning or not.

Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I've been a homeowner in Montgomery County for 25 years. In fact, I've been a homeowner of a detached SFH in Montgomery County for 25 years. And yes, I support the proposal.

Why?

Because the county needs more housing, of all types.
Because it makes sense to allow that housing to be built in many parts of the county, where there already is housing.
Because I am not afraid of renters or multi-unit housing.
Because I want Montgomery County to be a place where my kids will want to live, and be able to afford to live. And not just my kids, but all of the other kids in MCPS. All our kids.

You can't whine about more housing until you remove all of the illegal immigration hogging housing resources. You can't roll out the red carpet for illegal immigrants then complain about lack of affordable housing. Why should citizens ruin their neighborhoods because immigrants suck up huge amounts of affordable housing units that could be used for citizens? How about no? I'll agree to upzoning once you can actually prove there is a 'housing crisis' after you remove all foreign nationals not here legally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://moco360.media/2024/09/04/county-to-hear-from-public-on-proposal-to-limit-single-family-zoning/?utm_source=MoCo360&utm_campaign=2a42d0fbf4-POLITICS_NEWSLETTER_09132024&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1bbe9df5d9-2a42d0fbf4-105195105&mc_cid=2a42d0fbf4&mc_eid=d032765bbc

MoCo seeking feedback on proposal to limit single family zoning. Note dates for listening sessions.

Speak now or forever hold your peace.

Thanks for the link. You're right, I need to speak up. I will plan to go to one of the sessions to support the proposal.

If you want to live in a city, move to one. Let the rest of us enjoy the space we bought.

You bought your property. You didn't buy the neighborhood.

Complete BS to suggest there should not be any expectation related to the use of neighboring properties based on zoning at the time of purchase. There are reasonable expectations that changes to that zoning come from more standard approaches that rely more heavily on review by and input from the community.

Naked political move to achieve ends at others' expense. Following the money, ends for developers, non-resident property owners, RE agents, title companies, industry-related law firms, et al. Much more so than for those seeking a home.

The expectation that zoning will not change - or will only change if the current residents of the neighborhood agree - is not a reasonable expectation.

So you are against democracy and you want developers to steamroll county residents? That is very progressive of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You are probably an angry renter furious about the fact that you can't afford a home in your crappy MoCo govt job salary. You want to take your frustration out on home owners because they're more successful than you, saved more diligently than you, and were able to buy a home as a result. Just because you can have what they have you want to ruin their homes and neighborhoods. If you want dense city life so much, go move to DC clown. Millions of people in the country do not want sh!tty urban life. Which is why they move to the burbs. Stop trying to bring urbanized cesspools to the burbs. Maybe you should also better yourself so you can afford a home rather than rent.

Yeah, right. Mommy and daddy paid all expenses for your overpriced, paper pushing education, which allowed you to "save more diligently" than others. You also hit the jackpot on the cock carousel, allowing you to get him to buy you your home (or at least allow you to pool your money) in exchange for birthing his children. So spare us your sanctimonious BS about saving more diligently and being more successful.

Housing is not an investment. You're gonna learn the hard way.

Actually, housing is an investment. And it has been historically. Not sure where you are getting your “information” other than in the corridors of your resentment that people save for homes and rightfully expect that investment to be protected by their government.

DP. Housing is an expense. A house is an asset. That, along with the property, might appreciate or depreciate, depending on market conditions. We have come to expect appreciation, and it is likely in a growing area due to general supply/demand.

Investment in a house/property has up front (down payment, transaction, move, etc.), periodic carrying (taxes, repair, etc.) and exit (transaction, any applicable cap gain tax, etc) costs that can be seen either as a part of one's housing expense, part of the investment expense or both. It may end up being a good investment or a bad one, especially in light of alternate investment options (opportunity cost) and expenses related to alternate housing options (e.g., renting).

And you are correct, there is a reasonable expectation that government policy not undermine that investment, if not protect it. There are many associated societal benefits. That should be weighed and considered with other expectations of govenment, encouraging adequate housing among them. Also with many associated societal benefits.

From the approach taken and from the resulting plan, that consideration among expectations appears to be sorely lacking in MoCo government at the moment.

[Anonymous]

It's honestly hilarious how much good liberals think they're doing but are ultimately wiping out the last leg of wealth for the middle class. Middle class wages don't keep up. something like 80% of the entire stock market is owned by 1%. The only way to build and save wealth for the middle class are their homes. Now moronic libs, in their ridiculously stupid myopic shortsightedness want to take away home ownership from the middle class. These dumb libs are doing the bidding of investment firms and developers under the guise of 'affordable housing'. In the end they're just trying to steal all of the property and land that is left in the hands of the middle class. They want to bulldoze all of our neighborhoods so they can turn us all into an entire nation of renters for life. And the liberal council and moronic Democrats of the county will help them wipe us all out once they turn all of our neighborhoods to sh!t so they can come in and swipe our land for below market value.