MoCo seeking feedback on proposal to limit single family zoning

[Anonymous]

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2608-Woodedge-Rd-20906/home/11068850

Everyone should send this link to the county council and pertinent county agencies. It should be the center of a social media campaign against the proposal.

And don’t let them try to counter with points about housing the elderly or disabled. There are far better housing models for those populations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2608-Woodedge-Rd-20906/home/11068850

This is the house in 20906 that is emblematic of what quadrupling up looks like—and it’s already happening in SS. It’s not good.

That neighborhood has shifted dramatically and the schools are suffering. Even more established immigrants are an abandoning the area and heading up county. Why? Because they had reasons why they left their country and their goal was to live among affluent white Americans—and send their kids to schools with affluent Americans. I know this because I work among this community of people and you can see the uptick in families moving to farther flung areas that are less diverse precisely for these reasons.

Everything in moderation, people.

Are you serious? This is your example of horribleness?

Welcome to 2608 Woodedge Road! An artfully expanded & completely renovated home that fits today’s sophisticated functionalities and entertainment needs. Upstairs has 3 suites: a 700-sf. master suite which includes balcony, laundry room and sauna, as well as two junior suites with their own baths. The first floor is open concept and has a concrete floor with radiant heat & modern powder room. The large chef’s kitchen opens to a large party room and also has a radiant floor & indoor BBQ setup. Off the living room is a big sunroom with central A/C and cooking for additional entertainment needs. Attached garage and attic storage have central A/C and plumbing to use all year round. There are also 2 permitted basement apartment suites for income and a 3rd detached apartment/in-law suite in the back. Each apartment is 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom. Outdoor kitchen and large brick patio overlook a pond, waterfall and gazebo for outdoor entertainment. Other features include: 0.75 mile from Glenmont metro, 6 skylights, 5 laundry sets, 4 fireplaces, 9 ceiling fans, 6 places for gas access, 9 entry ways, 2 pairs of big and smaller exhaust fans for kitchen and party room, a bar, modern plumbing fixtures, double and modern light fixtures, double the amount of windows and outlets, 220v outlets in kitchen, party room, sunroom and garage, hardwood floors throughout and under carpet, gallery quality plastered walls with crown moldings, permit approved concrete building foundation in patio, 3-inch plumbing in garage and patio, multiple wi-fi access points & wired network, built-in sound systems and cable plugs throughout, fire sprinklers in all areas, over-the-air and basement cell antennas, multiple branch water shutoffs, floor drain in basement, all bathrooms are fully tiled, added soundproof and thick insulation throughout, new A/C unit, new & upgraded windows, steel railings throughout, plenty of sitting areas, double driveway, extended driveway, concrete walkway from curb to basement, walkout basement, concrete patio for basement, aluminum & entryway awnings, slate and tile roof, EV charger installed, RV waste hookup, backup generator hookup, electrified shed, outdoor electricals throughout, gutter guards throughout, 3 rain cisterns connected to water garden, mature landscaping, large fenced yard, lots of trees & privacy, and quiet neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2608-Woodedge-Rd-20906/home/11068850

This is the house in 20906 that is emblematic of what quadrupling up looks like—and it’s already happening in SS. It’s not good.

That neighborhood has shifted dramatically and the schools are suffering. Even more established immigrants are an abandoning the area and heading up county. Why? Because they had reasons why they left their country and their goal was to live among affluent white Americans—and send their kids to schools with affluent Americans. I know this because I work among this community of people and you can see the uptick in families moving to farther flung areas that are less diverse precisely for these reasons.

Everything in moderation, people.

Are you serious? This is your example of horribleness?

Welcome to 2608 Woodedge Road! An artfully expanded & completely renovated home that fits today’s sophisticated functionalities and entertainment needs. Upstairs has 3 suites: a 700-sf. master suite which includes balcony, laundry room and sauna, as well as two junior suites with their own baths. The first floor is open concept and has a concrete floor with radiant heat & modern powder room. The large chef’s kitchen opens to a large party room and also has a radiant floor & indoor BBQ setup. Off the living room is a big sunroom with central A/C and cooking for additional entertainment needs. Attached garage and attic storage have central A/C and plumbing to use all year round. There are also 2 permitted basement apartment suites for income and a 3rd detached apartment/in-law suite in the back. Each apartment is 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom. Outdoor kitchen and large brick patio overlook a pond, waterfall and gazebo for outdoor entertainment. Other features include: 0.75 mile from Glenmont metro, 6 skylights, 5 laundry sets, 4 fireplaces, 9 ceiling fans, 6 places for gas access, 9 entry ways, 2 pairs of big and smaller exhaust fans for kitchen and party room, a bar, modern plumbing fixtures, double and modern light fixtures, double the amount of windows and outlets, 220v outlets in kitchen, party room, sunroom and garage, hardwood floors throughout and under carpet, gallery quality plastered walls with crown moldings, permit approved concrete building foundation in patio, 3-inch plumbing in garage and patio, multiple wi-fi access points & wired network, built-in sound systems and cable plugs throughout, fire sprinklers in all areas, over-the-air and basement cell antennas, multiple branch water shutoffs, floor drain in basement, all bathrooms are fully tiled, added soundproof and thick insulation throughout, new A/C unit, new & upgraded windows, steel railings throughout, plenty of sitting areas, double driveway, extended driveway, concrete walkway from curb to basement, walkout basement, concrete patio for basement, aluminum & entryway awnings, slate and tile roof, EV charger installed, RV waste hookup, backup generator hookup, electrified shed, outdoor electricals throughout, gutter guards throughout, 3 rain cisterns connected to water garden, mature landscaping, large fenced yard, lots of trees & privacy, and quiet neighborhood.

Did you even look at the photos of that trash heap? Good God, how much trash does a single hell hole like that produce per week and leave out? They will generate so much garbage they'll start attracting tons of rodents to the neighborhood. What an absolute nightmare to live next to.

And you now they'll have 200 cars parked everywhere in the street with that many people stuffed into a home.

How in the heck can you have that many ovens etc. in a home and that many people jam packed into that kind of space and not have all sorts of safety and fire hazards?

Yup, that house shows exactly how equity turns out - things never get better, they just all get equally worse and everything declines until their gutter trash. What a disaster.

[Anonymous]

How would this apply to incorporated places like town of Chevy Chase?

I'm wonder if this spurs a local backlash to incorporate currently unincorporated census designated places (eg, Bethesda).

[Anonymous]

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/13813-Rippling-Brook-Dr-20906/home/11086235

This one also. 7 Beds, 5.5 baths!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2608-Woodedge-Rd-20906/home/11068850

Everyone should send this link to the county council and pertinent county agencies. It should be the center of a social media campaign against the proposal.

And don’t let them try to counter with points about housing the elderly or disabled. There are far better housing models for those populations.

And that’s exactly what I don’t want in my neighborhood.

You’re right they should be blasted all over social media and if anybody is paying attention that has this kind of a platform, you should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/13813-Rippling-Brook-Dr-20906/home/11086235

This one also. 7 Beds, 5.5 baths!

Damn you, Poe's Law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How would this apply to incorporated places like town of Chevy Chase?

I'm wonder if this spurs a local backlash to incorporate currently unincorporated census designated places (eg, Bethesda).

If Bethesda incorporated now, it wouldn't have planning authority, and it also wouldn't have zoning authority, so I'm guessing the answer is: no, it won't.

[Anonymous]

Bethesda should incorporate quickly. What's the rules for incorporation?

From the County's own report (see page 50):

Municipalities with their own zoning authority (Brookeville, Poolesville, Laytonsville, Rockville, Barnesville, Gaithersburg, and Washington Grove) are not affected by any changes to county zoning.

Under Section 20-509 of the State Land Use Article, other municipalities without their own zoning authority may:
• Regulate only the construction, repair, or remodeling of single-family residential houses or
buildings on land zoned for single-family residential use as it relates to:
o residential parking;
o the location of structures, including setback requirements;
o the dimensions of structures, including height, bulk, massing, and design; and
o lot coverage, including impervious surfaces

Within the scope of this provision, a municipality may have more restrictive conditions under any of these topics. For example, the Town of Chevy Chase generally has more restrictive setbacks and
height requirements than required in the county’s zoning code.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would this apply to incorporated places like town of Chevy Chase?

I'm wonder if this spurs a local backlash to incorporate currently unincorporated census designated places (eg, Bethesda).

If Bethesda incorporated now, it wouldn't have planning authority, and it also wouldn't have zoning authority, so I'm guessing the answer is: no, it won't.

They could change parking, setback and lot coverage requirements to make multi-unit pretty much uneconomical for developers. That's within the state law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would this apply to incorporated places like town of Chevy Chase?

I'm wonder if this spurs a local backlash to incorporate currently unincorporated census designated places (eg, Bethesda).

If Bethesda incorporated now, it wouldn't have planning authority, and it also wouldn't have zoning authority, so I'm guessing the answer is: no, it won't.

They could change parking, setback and lot coverage requirements to make multi-unit pretty much uneconomical for developers. That's within the state law.

Md. Code, Land Use § 20-509 only applies to land zoned for single-family residential use. But the proposed zoning changes would allow additional residential land use, so the land would no longer be zoned for single-family residential use.

I am not a lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How would this apply to incorporated places like town of Chevy Chase?

I'm wonder if this spurs a local backlash to incorporate currently unincorporated census designated places (eg, Bethesda).

Chevy chase will basically lose all of their authority to regulate development. If single family zoning is eliminated CC will no longer be able to create setback requirements that differ from MOCO standards.

[Anonymous]

Oh no the poor bigots will leave

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no the poor bigots will leave

Oh yeah, TOTALLY.

That’s why most all of the YImBYs are dorky white childless millennials. I only say mostly because I guess that you have Dan Reed as your token non-white.

But thank god you are here to speak for POC, who are ALSO homeowners who are concerned about their neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no the poor bigots will leave

The "bigots" account for a significant share of county funding and they will not tolerate poorly planned zoning policies that raise taxes while defunding local government services. Good luck funding anything when these rich people you hate move to Virginia or Florida.