USYNT U19 Gets Smacked 3-0 by Spain

[Anonymous]

Wait till the U15 roster for their EU trip comes out this week.

A lot of speed and size. A famous parents' kid who everyone will recongize by the last name.
And the best player they have is a 2010.
The midfield and defenders are marginal. There are some pretty special players out west who were left off, and some have decided to play for their other country. Mexico has 2, and Italy is about to get one.

The dual citizens are going to better be able to weight their options. But knowing US soccer.
They will try and get the dual citizen in quick and play them so they can't play for their other country.. Basically, landlock the kids so the US has the most options to chose from

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To be fair many ecnl girls are high level players. The real issue I see is that a roster requires diversity of talent. In the US there is a belief that if you are a forward with talent such talent translates to every other position and that is erroneous thinking. The other issue is the mentality that chaotic defensive effort will create turnovers and scoring opportunities which to a very degree is accurate but it comes with a cost. That chaos leaves openings that a tactical smart player can exploit even if that player is weaker athletically. The problem is that chaotic style works against weaker teams that most players see throughout their development years. So those teams win and winning begets promotion and the illusion of all being well. It is not…

Disagree with this. The ECNL is not a bunch of high level players. The teams are made up of good athletes with speed, size and physicality. The defenses are very static, offensive is predictable and no midfield. It is soccer really dumbed down. The players have been playing the same position and formation for years. They know the responsibilities of their position but not much more. You want to see a sh#t show ask your typical ECNL team to change formation at half time…lol. The teams win by being more athletic vs their opponents.

High level players are comfortable under pressure and in tight spaces. They do not commit turns under press or in the open field. How many players like that do you see on your typical ECNL team?

The reason why ECNL favors speed, size and physicality is because the speed of play is so slow. Slow speed of play is cause by bad first touches, lack of technical skills and slow processing speed. Bad first touch results in 50/50. Example a girl receives a pass but her first touch puts the ball 10 feet away with the opposing player 20 feet away. The fastest girl will win the ball because the ball is equal distance between the two players. Not being able to play the ball in one or two touches means the opposing player can close and make contact with the player - the stronger, bigger and physical player wins that match up.

If you play defense by charging the player with the ball against a technical, high speed of play players, they will make you chase the ball but you never get to the ball. They will exploit the open space you create by charge the player. One or two passes and the defense is running towards their goal. This is what happened in game with Spain. Those girls are totally comfortable in tight spaces under pressure. They can take you off the dribble, pass around you and the ball will never be more than 6” off their foot.

In Spain everything is done in tight spaces under pressure. The part many people miss is the defense effort is expect to be a 100%. You practice like you play. You play like you practice. That is not how it is done in the US. Go watch your kids team. Watch how much of the drills/practice are done under pressure. When they are under pressure the defender is usually going 50-75%. It makes a difference!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair many ecnl girls are high level players. The real issue I see is that a roster requires diversity of talent. In the US there is a belief that if you are a forward with talent such talent translates to every other position and that is erroneous thinking. The other issue is the mentality that chaotic defensive effort will create turnovers and scoring opportunities which to a very degree is accurate but it comes with a cost. That chaos leaves openings that a tactical smart player can exploit even if that player is weaker athletically. The problem is that chaotic style works against weaker teams that most players see throughout their development years. So those teams win and winning begets promotion and the illusion of all being well. It is not…

Disagree with this. The ECNL is not a bunch of high level players. The teams are made up of good athletes with speed, size and physicality. The defenses are very static, offensive is predictable and no midfield. It is soccer really dumbed down. The players have been playing the same position and formation for years. They know the responsibilities of their position but not much more. You want to see a sh#t show ask your typical ECNL team to change formation at half time…lol. The teams win by being more athletic vs their opponents.

High level players are comfortable under pressure and in tight spaces. They do not commit turns under press or in the open field. How many players like that do you see on your typical ECNL team?

The reason why ECNL favors speed, size and physicality is because the speed of play is so slow. Slow speed of play is cause by bad first touches, lack of technical skills and slow processing speed. Bad first touch results in 50/50. Example a girl receives a pass but her first touch puts the ball 10 feet away with the opposing player 20 feet away. The fastest girl will win the ball because the ball is equal distance between the two players. Not being able to play the ball in one or two touches means the opposing player can close and make contact with the player - the stronger, bigger and physical player wins that match up.

If you play defense by charging the player with the ball against a technical, high speed of play players, they will make you chase the ball but you never get to the ball. They will exploit the open space you create by charge the player. One or two passes and the defense is running towards their goal. This is what happened in game with Spain. Those girls are totally comfortable in tight spaces under pressure. They can take you off the dribble, pass around you and the ball will never be more than 6” off their foot.

In Spain everything is done in tight spaces under pressure. The part many people miss is the defense effort is expect to be a 100%. You practice like you play. You play like you practice. That is not how it is done in the US. Go watch your kids team. Watch how much of the drills/practice are done under pressure. When they are under pressure the defender is usually going 50-75%. It makes a difference!

This is a great opinion. ECNL won't change anytime soon however, it is fully working as intended. They are NOT interested in working towards developing players for the international stage. To them that is the .00001% or whatever it is they say when they discuss national team players, they are there for college recruitment and that is all. They're happy to take the credit when a few pop up here or there due to just a numbers game, but until the country here fully aligns with FIFA, nothing is going to change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair many ecnl girls are high level players. The real issue I see is that a roster requires diversity of talent. In the US there is a belief that if you are a forward with talent such talent translates to every other position and that is erroneous thinking. The other issue is the mentality that chaotic defensive effort will create turnovers and scoring opportunities which to a very degree is accurate but it comes with a cost. That chaos leaves openings that a tactical smart player can exploit even if that player is weaker athletically. The problem is that chaotic style works against weaker teams that most players see throughout their development years. So those teams win and winning begets promotion and the illusion of all being well. It is not…

Disagree with this. The ECNL is not a bunch of high level players. The teams are made up of good athletes with speed, size and physicality. The defenses are very static, offensive is predictable and no midfield. It is soccer really dumbed down. The players have been playing the same position and formation for years. They know the responsibilities of their position but not much more. You want to see a sh#t show ask your typical ECNL team to change formation at half time…lol. The teams win by being more athletic vs their opponents.

High level players are comfortable under pressure and in tight spaces. They do not commit turns under press or in the open field. How many players like that do you see on your typical ECNL team?

The reason why ECNL favors speed, size and physicality is because the speed of play is so slow. Slow speed of play is cause by bad first touches, lack of technical skills and slow processing speed. Bad first touch results in 50/50. Example a girl receives a pass but her first touch puts the ball 10 feet away with the opposing player 20 feet away. The fastest girl will win the ball because the ball is equal distance between the two players. Not being able to play the ball in one or two touches means the opposing player can close and make contact with the player - the stronger, bigger and physical player wins that match up.

If you play defense by charging the player with the ball against a technical, high speed of play players, they will make you chase the ball but you never get to the ball. They will exploit the open space you create by charge the player. One or two passes and the defense is running towards their goal. This is what happened in game with Spain. Those girls are totally comfortable in tight spaces under pressure. They can take you off the dribble, pass around you and the ball will never be more than 6” off their foot.

In Spain everything is done in tight spaces under pressure. The part many people miss is the defense effort is expect to be a 100%. You practice like you play. You play like you practice. That is not how it is done in the US. Go watch your kids team. Watch how much of the drills/practice are done under pressure. When they are under pressure the defender is usually going 50-75%. It makes a difference!

This is a great opinion. ECNL won't change anytime soon however, it is fully working as intended. They are NOT interested in working towards developing players for the international stage. To them that is the .00001% or whatever it is they say when they discuss national team players, they are there for college recruitment and that is all. They're happy to take the credit when a few pop up here or there due to just a numbers game, but until the country here fully aligns with FIFA, nothing is going to change.

What does fully aligning with fifa mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair many ecnl girls are high level players. The real issue I see is that a roster requires diversity of talent. In the US there is a belief that if you are a forward with talent such talent translates to every other position and that is erroneous thinking. The other issue is the mentality that chaotic defensive effort will create turnovers and scoring opportunities which to a very degree is accurate but it comes with a cost. That chaos leaves openings that a tactical smart player can exploit even if that player is weaker athletically. The problem is that chaotic style works against weaker teams that most players see throughout their development years. So those teams win and winning begets promotion and the illusion of all being well. It is not…

Disagree with this. The ECNL is not a bunch of high level players. The teams are made up of good athletes with speed, size and physicality. The defenses are very static, offensive is predictable and no midfield. It is soccer really dumbed down. The players have been playing the same position and formation for years. They know the responsibilities of their position but not much more. You want to see a sh#t show ask your typical ECNL team to change formation at half time…lol. The teams win by being more athletic vs their opponents.

High level players are comfortable under pressure and in tight spaces. They do not commit turns under press or in the open field. How many players like that do you see on your typical ECNL team?

The reason why ECNL favors speed, size and physicality is because the speed of play is so slow. Slow speed of play is cause by bad first touches, lack of technical skills and slow processing speed. Bad first touch results in 50/50. Example a girl receives a pass but her first touch puts the ball 10 feet away with the opposing player 20 feet away. The fastest girl will win the ball because the ball is equal distance between the two players. Not being able to play the ball in one or two touches means the opposing player can close and make contact with the player - the stronger, bigger and physical player wins that match up.

If you play defense by charging the player with the ball against a technical, high speed of play players, they will make you chase the ball but you never get to the ball. They will exploit the open space you create by charge the player. One or two passes and the defense is running towards their goal. This is what happened in game with Spain. Those girls are totally comfortable in tight spaces under pressure. They can take you off the dribble, pass around you and the ball will never be more than 6” off their foot.

In Spain everything is done in tight spaces under pressure. The part many people miss is the defense effort is expect to be a 100%. You practice like you play. You play like you practice. That is not how it is done in the US. Go watch your kids team. Watch how much of the drills/practice are done under pressure. When they are under pressure the defender is usually going 50-75%. It makes a difference!

This is a great opinion. ECNL won't change anytime soon however, it is fully working as intended. They are NOT interested in working towards developing players for the international stage. To them that is the .00001% or whatever it is they say when they discuss national team players, they are there for college recruitment and that is all. They're happy to take the credit when a few pop up here or there due to just a numbers game, but until the country here fully aligns with FIFA, nothing is going to change.

Exactly, even if youth clubs developed players the same way Spain does it wouldn't matter. This is because with soccer one of the things possession style offenses require is a limited number of subs. What happens is as possession goes up the other team gets tired chasing the ball. Then at the end of the game opportunities become available because the team that's more tired starts making mistakes and creating opportunities for the possession team.

The college game allows unlimited subs. What this does is negate the effects of possession. Watch a college game sometime and you'll see coaches subbing like crazy at the end. This slows down play and keeps their players from getting tired and making mistakes.

Once you take away the benefits of playing possession all that matters is speed, size, and aggressiveness. Also you no longer need mids that possess the ball. Just kick it up to the top and let the sprinters run.

D1 men's soccer has identified this issue as one of the main reasons college soccer grads aren't competitive at the professional level. (There's actually way more reasons but this is a big one) To address they're aligning substitution rules to be more in line with the international game. If this change came to women's D1 soccer it would dramatically change the game and players being recruited.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair many ecnl girls are high level players. The real issue I see is that a roster requires diversity of talent. In the US there is a belief that if you are a forward with talent such talent translates to every other position and that is erroneous thinking. The other issue is the mentality that chaotic defensive effort will create turnovers and scoring opportunities which to a very degree is accurate but it comes with a cost. That chaos leaves openings that a tactical smart player can exploit even if that player is weaker athletically. The problem is that chaotic style works against weaker teams that most players see throughout their development years. So those teams win and winning begets promotion and the illusion of all being well. It is not…

Disagree with this. The ECNL is not a bunch of high level players. The teams are made up of good athletes with speed, size and physicality. The defenses are very static, offensive is predictable and no midfield. It is soccer really dumbed down. The players have been playing the same position and formation for years. They know the responsibilities of their position but not much more. You want to see a sh#t show ask your typical ECNL team to change formation at half time…lol. The teams win by being more athletic vs their opponents.

High level players are comfortable under pressure and in tight spaces. They do not commit turns under press or in the open field. How many players like that do you see on your typical ECNL team?

The reason why ECNL favors speed, size and physicality is because the speed of play is so slow. Slow speed of play is cause by bad first touches, lack of technical skills and slow processing speed. Bad first touch results in 50/50. Example a girl receives a pass but her first touch puts the ball 10 feet away with the opposing player 20 feet away. The fastest girl will win the ball because the ball is equal distance between the two players. Not being able to play the ball in one or two touches means the opposing player can close and make contact with the player - the stronger, bigger and physical player wins that match up.

If you play defense by charging the player with the ball against a technical, high speed of play players, they will make you chase the ball but you never get to the ball. They will exploit the open space you create by charge the player. One or two passes and the defense is running towards their goal. This is what happened in game with Spain. Those girls are totally comfortable in tight spaces under pressure. They can take you off the dribble, pass around you and the ball will never be more than 6” off their foot.

In Spain everything is done in tight spaces under pressure. The part many people miss is the defense effort is expect to be a 100%. You practice like you play. You play like you practice. That is not how it is done in the US. Go watch your kids team. Watch how much of the drills/practice are done under pressure. When they are under pressure the defender is usually going 50-75%. It makes a difference!

This is a great opinion. ECNL won't change anytime soon however, it is fully working as intended. They are NOT interested in working towards developing players for the international stage. To them that is the .00001% or whatever it is they say when they discuss national team players, they are there for college recruitment and that is all. They're happy to take the credit when a few pop up here or there due to just a numbers game, but until the country here fully aligns with FIFA, nothing is going to change.

What does fully aligning with fifa mean?

Professional leagues aligning with the FIFA calendar (most people will say that MLS and NWSL won't do this because they don't want to compete with other sports), having collegiate soccer align their rules with FIFA, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair many ecnl girls are high level players. The real issue I see is that a roster requires diversity of talent. In the US there is a belief that if you are a forward with talent such talent translates to every other position and that is erroneous thinking. The other issue is the mentality that chaotic defensive effort will create turnovers and scoring opportunities which to a very degree is accurate but it comes with a cost. That chaos leaves openings that a tactical smart player can exploit even if that player is weaker athletically. The problem is that chaotic style works against weaker teams that most players see throughout their development years. So those teams win and winning begets promotion and the illusion of all being well. It is not…

Disagree with this. The ECNL is not a bunch of high level players. The teams are made up of good athletes with speed, size and physicality. The defenses are very static, offensive is predictable and no midfield. It is soccer really dumbed down. The players have been playing the same position and formation for years. They know the responsibilities of their position but not much more. You want to see a sh#t show ask your typical ECNL team to change formation at half time…lol. The teams win by being more athletic vs their opponents.

High level players are comfortable under pressure and in tight spaces. They do not commit turns under press or in the open field. How many players like that do you see on your typical ECNL team?

The reason why ECNL favors speed, size and physicality is because the speed of play is so slow. Slow speed of play is cause by bad first touches, lack of technical skills and slow processing speed. Bad first touch results in 50/50. Example a girl receives a pass but her first touch puts the ball 10 feet away with the opposing player 20 feet away. The fastest girl will win the ball because the ball is equal distance between the two players. Not being able to play the ball in one or two touches means the opposing player can close and make contact with the player - the stronger, bigger and physical player wins that match up.

If you play defense by charging the player with the ball against a technical, high speed of play players, they will make you chase the ball but you never get to the ball. They will exploit the open space you create by charge the player. One or two passes and the defense is running towards their goal. This is what happened in game with Spain. Those girls are totally comfortable in tight spaces under pressure. They can take you off the dribble, pass around you and the ball will never be more than 6” off their foot.

In Spain everything is done in tight spaces under pressure. The part many people miss is the defense effort is expect to be a 100%. You practice like you play. You play like you practice. That is not how it is done in the US. Go watch your kids team. Watch how much of the drills/practice are done under pressure. When they are under pressure the defender is usually going 50-75%. It makes a difference!

This is a great opinion. ECNL won't change anytime soon however, it is fully working as intended. They are NOT interested in working towards developing players for the international stage. To them that is the .00001% or whatever it is they say when they discuss national team players, they are there for college recruitment and that is all. They're happy to take the credit when a few pop up here or there due to just a numbers game, but until the country here fully aligns with FIFA, nothing is going to change.

What does fully aligning with fifa mean?

For D1 Men’s Soccer Only:

New Substitution Rule-

-6 moments you can substitute:
So you can sub as many as you want but only 6 moments to do so. Game management!

-no reentry on either half:
Before, you could reenter in the second half. This changes things. Game management!

The reason colleges allowed unlimited subs was an uninformed attempt to give more players minutes. While this does work it also dramatically affects the type of players colleges recruit and how the game is played. Unlimited subs completely negates possession soccer tactics because players never get tired. Ironically unlimited subs doesn't affect games like basketball or hockey. This is because the court/rink is much smaller which means it only takes a couple of seconds to sub players. Because soccer fields are huge each substitution takes 30-40 seconds and this is before players are intentionally walking off the field slowly to delay and kill the clock.

[Anonymous]

Unlimited subs ruin the game.

Around here for league play only ECNL-NL, GA and EDP U15+ I believe implement sub rules. Even at the RL level around here, you have unlimited subs, RL in certain other areas have sub rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unlimited subs ruin the game.

Around here for league play only ECNL-NL, GA and EDP U15+ I believe implement sub rules. Even at the RL level around here, you have unlimited subs, RL in certain other areas have sub rules.

At the youth level tournaments are generally a free for all with substitution rules. Because of this often you'll see super players being subbed off to get a rest then subbed back on in the same half sometimes multiple times. You'll also see coaches subbing multiple times at the end of the game to keep players from getting tired and kill the clock.

This kills the concept of playing possession as a team and highlights big fast and aggressive players.

Now you know why some clubs do well in tournaments but not in league and vice versa. It's not just that they're bringing on superstars to guest. It's also the rules make certain styles of play more of an advantage.

[Anonymous]

In reply to the great ecnl post. I wrote to be fair after I posted that ecnl was to blame for everything. I didn’t want to entirely bash their monopoly. I’m pretty sure I could build an elite team from a pool of ecnl girls. That’s all I was trying to say - there are definitely some kids there that get it. I would add as a critique that once chosen these girls rarely get demoted so that is a problem as well. The sense of entitlement is nauseating and creates horrible teammates down the road…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My own kid is a late bloomer 3 star topdrawer player that has started and now captains her university club team since she’s been a freshman. They’ve made it to nationals final 16 each year and not once has the varsity coach come to scout in her own backyard. These coaches are not very bright…

Same on boys’ side. My son grew very late, developed late but the only coaches that ever identified him were European coaches. Every event he went to in the US with Euro scouts he was always picked out of the large group of first team/highest players. I asked why one time and they said that he had everything “he knows when to pass vs when to dribble. First touch. Movement.” He got screwed over year after year after year by club and HS coaches. He’s now playing on a reserve team and going to play D1 next year. He wasted 10 years in a crappy us club system and most of his development were opportunities we found outside of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unlimited subs ruin the game.

Around here for league play only ECNL-NL, GA and EDP U15+ I believe implement sub rules. Even at the RL level around here, you have unlimited subs, RL in certain other areas have sub rules.

At the youth level tournaments are generally a free for all with substitution rules. Because of this often you'll see super players being subbed off to get a rest then subbed back on in the same half sometimes multiple times. You'll also see coaches subbing multiple times at the end of the game to keep players from getting tired and kill the clock.

This kills the concept of playing possession as a team and highlights big fast and aggressive players.

Now you know why some clubs do well in tournaments but not in league and vice versa. It's not just that they're bringing on superstars to guest. It's also the rules make certain styles of play more of an advantage.

Then clubs should select no more than 11-15 players. Who wants to be in a team just to be and not playing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait till the U15 roster for their EU trip comes out this week.

A lot of speed and size. A famous parents' kid who everyone will recongize by the last name.
And the best player they have is a 2010.
The midfield and defenders are marginal. There are some pretty special players out west who were left off, and some have decided to play for their other country. Mexico has 2, and Italy is about to get one.

The dual citizens are going to better be able to weight their options. But knowing US soccer.
They will try and get the dual citizen in quick and play them so they can't play for their other country.. Basically, landlock the kids so the US has the most options to chose from

2010 = U15 so.... Not sure what the point of that ^ comment was.

[Anonymous]

New Scouts are required across all genders and ages. They simply send the same kids over and over and the result is marginal at best

[Anonymous]

USWYT U19's just tied with Spain 2:2

There you go naysayers