Student apprehended with loaded gun at Gaithersburg High

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately I'm resigned that there is not a lot that can be done by schools. Schools are a reflection of the community. To keep all guns out requires making schools like prisons with metal detectors and police. Most students when treated like prisoners will behave like them.

I don't understand this argument. We have cops securing concert halls, airports, and government buildings. No one is complaining about having cops in these places and saying that their presence make these places like prisons.

So you want TSA level security every morning when 3000 kids need to get into MBHS at the exact same time each morning?

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

Honestly, I can get onboard with not having SROs/CEOs dole out student discipline. But I will say, I know this fact was a major sticking point for why people were anti-SROs, but it looks like leaving student behavior and discipline in the hands of MCPS admin, who supposedly have the training in teen development you cite, is even worse since all hell has broken loose and teachers are miserable with the system's lax approaches and philosophies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we should have gun control laws which could be applied in ALL spaces currently at risk: k-12 schools, college campuses, grocery stores, places of worship, indoor concerts, outdoor concerts, indoor shopping malls, dance clubs, bars, outdoor shopping malls, movie theaters, …..

+1000

Yea, more gun control laws will definitely prevent kids and bad people from bringing guns to school. That'll teach'em.

ffs

Seriously. The gun control conversation in this context is not relevant. Violence in schools is a serious and repeat issue in states and localities with lax or strict gun control laws.

If gun control laws solved the issue, Chicago Public Schools wouldn't have to worry about guns in school. And yet, they do: https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-near-school-senn-high-gun-violence/14379567/

Nearly eight people are shot each day in Chicago, and data analysis shows that in the last five years more than 100 of them have been kids and teens within one-tenth of a mile of a school.

About 2,500 times each year, Chicago law enforcement has to track and trace the guns used to shoot people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The gunman was not a student.

According to who?

The new report

Which is where?

Actually the older report said he wasn’t a student but Washington post says he is so I believe wapo.

Thats why quick reporting is not always great.

I found the Post link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/03/12/loaded-gun-school-student-gaithersburg-montgomery-maryland/

You're correct, it identifies Rivas as a student.

He is either:

1) An MCPS student but not a Gaithersburg High student

2) A Gaithersburg High student

3) A student of a neighboring school district

4) A dropout, since he's 18 and of legal age to drop out in the state of MD

Parents at the school probably know if he is or isn't a student of Gaithersburg. They can give us the intel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The gunman was not a student.

According to who?

The new report

Which is where?

Actually the older report said he wasn’t a student but Washington post says he is so I believe wapo.

Thats why quick reporting is not always great.

I found the Post link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/03/12/loaded-gun-school-student-gaithersburg-montgomery-maryland/

You're correct, it identifies Rivas as a student.

He is either:

1) An MCPS student but not a Gaithersburg High student

2) A Gaithersburg High student

3) A student of a neighboring school district

4) A dropout, since he's 18 and of legal age to drop out in the state of MD

Parents at the school probably know if he is or isn't a student of Gaithersburg. They can give us the intel.

Ok, MoCo 360 reporting, which includes the principal's letter, confirms Rivas was in fact a GHS student: https://moco360.media/2024/03/12/teen-with-loaded-handgun-arrested-at-gaithersburg-high-school-police-say/

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

Exactly why CEOs are preferable. If a crime was committed they should report it to MCPD. There are channels for these things, but bringing more guns into schools is never a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why we should have gun control laws which could be applied in ALL spaces currently at risk: k-12 schools, college campuses, grocery stores, places of worship, indoor concerts, outdoor concerts, indoor shopping malls, dance clubs, bars, outdoor shopping malls, movie theaters, …..

So true!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we should have gun control laws which could be applied in ALL spaces currently at risk: k-12 schools, college campuses, grocery stores, places of worship, indoor concerts, outdoor concerts, indoor shopping malls, dance clubs, bars, outdoor shopping malls, movie theaters, …..

+1000

Yea, more gun control laws will definitely prevent kids and bad people from bringing guns to school. That'll teach'em.

ffs

Seriously. The gun control conversation in this context is not relevant. Violence in schools is a serious and repeat issue in states and localities with lax or strict gun control laws.

If gun control laws solved the issue, Chicago Public Schools wouldn't have to worry about guns in school. And yet, they do: https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-near-school-senn-high-gun-violence/14379567/

Nearly eight people are shot each day in Chicago, and data analysis shows that in the last five years more than 100 of them have been kids and teens within one-tenth of a mile of a school.

About 2,500 times each year, Chicago law enforcement has to track and trace the guns used to shoot people.

Gun control is entirely on point and a better solution than bringing more guns into schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

They are not being disciplined for dragging a bag. Be real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we should have gun control laws which could be applied in ALL spaces currently at risk: k-12 schools, college campuses, grocery stores, places of worship, indoor concerts, outdoor concerts, indoor shopping malls, dance clubs, bars, outdoor shopping malls, movie theaters, …..

+1000

Yea, more gun control laws will definitely prevent kids and bad people from bringing guns to school. That'll teach'em.

ffs

Seriously. The gun control conversation in this context is not relevant. Violence in schools is a serious and repeat issue in states and localities with lax or strict gun control laws.

If gun control laws solved the issue, Chicago Public Schools wouldn't have to worry about guns in school. And yet, they do: https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-near-school-senn-high-gun-violence/14379567/

Nearly eight people are shot each day in Chicago, and data analysis shows that in the last five years more than 100 of them have been kids and teens within one-tenth of a mile of a school.

About 2,500 times each year, Chicago law enforcement has to track and trace the guns used to shoot people.

Gun control is entirely on point and a better solution than bringing more guns into schools.

It's the SRO conversation in this context isn't relevant. If SROs worked, places like Uvalde and Parkland would've never happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

Exactly why CEOs are preferable. If a crime was committed they should report it to MCPD. There are channels for these things, but bringing more guns into schools is never a good thing.

If a gun is in school we need action not a police report.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

Exactly why CEOs are preferable. If a crime was committed they should report it to MCPD. There are channels for these things, but bringing more guns into schools is never a good thing.

If a gun is in school we need action not a police report.

If MCPD does it's job that should be fine. It's not SROs would do anything. Look at the SRO at Parkland that ran away even.

[Anonymous]

Gun control is the only answer. Other countries with national gun control laws don't have these issues.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

Honestly, I can get onboard with not having SROs/CEOs dole out student discipline. But I will say, I know this fact was a major sticking point for why people were anti-SROs, but it looks like leaving student behavior and discipline in the hands of MCPS admin, who supposedly have the training in teen development you cite, is even worse since all hell has broken loose and teachers are miserable with the system's lax approaches and philosophies.

I’m all for sending cops to get degrees in education or psychology or sending teachers to the police academy.

Very few people are anti-SRO. Just because people saw a problem and made adjustments doesn’t mean they are anti-SRO.

You create schools the size of a small city you get small city problems.

Guns is an ATF issue not a school issue and this situation clearly was handled perfectly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.