Student apprehended with loaded gun at Gaithersburg High

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

What exactly are you unhappy about with the Gaithersburg situation, it worked.

dp.. thankfully, this situation was resolved quickly without anyone getting hurt.

What I and many others are concerned about is the growing gun issues in our schools and the possibility that one of these days, the gun being brought to school will be used for a mass shooting. We're afraid that there is an ever increasing issue of violence in schools, and along with the increasing incidents of guns being brought to school, it's clear that we need a better response to potential threats.

https://moco360.media/2022/04/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-police-officers-in-montgomery-county-schools/

Each of the county’s principals supported keeping the SRO program in place, according to MCPS. Many parents advocated for police to remain in schools.

MCPS has been slow to hire additional social workers, though, and in a recent interview with Bethesda Beat, Elrich said that if he had known it would have taken such a long time to fill those positions, he would have talked more about an “interim” plan.

School district and police department leaders have acknowledged an increase in “serious incidents” at county schools this academic year, including the first school shooting in MCPS history in January at Col. Zadok Magruder High School.

Principals know more about what is going in the schools than the BOE, Elrich, the county council and sjw.

After the shooting at Magruder, the powers that be realized that we need cops to be closer, so they changed the model of the CEO to have an office in the building rather than just be outside, but close to the schools.

Does a mass shooting need to occur in order for the powers that be to realize that a CEO in a tiny office can't as easily respond to a mass shooting compared to an SRO who walks the halls?

And maybe if we had SROs walking the halls, especially near the bathrooms, there would be less vaping in the bathrooms, and the Principals will feel more comfortable opening more bathrooms for the rest of the kids to use for their bodily functions.

I realize that the SROs in Uvalde and Parkland were useless, but that doesn't make all SROs useless. Unless the anti-SROs have a better plan to address the uptick in violence and guns (more gun control isn't going to stop it, and MD already has pretty strict gun laws), an SRO is at least one solution to a complex problem. It's why our neighboring county, PG, that is majority black and brown, decided to keep their SROs.

Your post is from 2022 … the CEO program has been successful implemented since then and the information in your link/post has been addressed in the past 2 years.

The CEO program that is implemented does not allow SROs to walk the halls. Again, maybe if they did, the HS wouldn't have so many issues with locked bathrooms due to vaping.

Students vape in the classroom. Walking the halls will not stop vaping. Security can walk the hallways. You are really grasping at straws.

Again the CEO program worked and you just can’t admit it.

DP. The CEO program is a poor replacement for the traditional SRO model. The SROs at our school actually got to know the students. They chatted with students in the hallway, they supported students at their events, etc. They were actually members of our community and were able to help students before they made bad decisions. They participated in service activities with the students. The CEO program, by contrast, keeps the officers separate from the community.

The naysayers will see this as good, saying it disrupts the school-to-prison pipeline. They’ll ignore facts like the mere 9 SRO-initiated arrests in the last year of the program. Just 9 district-wide. Most encounters they had with students concluded as just a talk. Unfortunately, we’ll never know how many bad decisions we’re thwarted because of the SRO’s presence.

Exactly. People making decisions who have zero experience in the schools. This is the consequence. The CEO program as it is now is worthless. Getting to know officers as humans and officers getting the chance to see and understand where students are coming and how it is affecting them is what we want!

They just stopped a gun man so not useless.

Exactly this incident conclusively proves that CEOs are up to the task and putting more guns in schools (SROs) isn't necessary.

Um… CEOs are still police officers. They carry guns.

Yes, schools are so much safer with fewer guns on the premises. That's why I'm a huge fan of the CEO program. This incident proves it works!

I’m confused… do you think CEOs aren’t police officers?

I guess you don't know how the CEO program works. What PP meant is that CEOs don't linger in the schools hallways like SROs used to do, harassing, shoving and discipline kids. They are called when needed.

Yes, instead what we have now is students harassing, bullying, shoving and assaulting each other or teachers and security or admin staff.

That’s a better outcome?

It is for progressives. They prefer to protect violent students than the rest of the kids or staff.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

What exactly are you unhappy about with the Gaithersburg situation, it worked.

dp.. thankfully, this situation was resolved quickly without anyone getting hurt.

What I and many others are concerned about is the growing gun issues in our schools and the possibility that one of these days, the gun being brought to school will be used for a mass shooting. We're afraid that there is an ever increasing issue of violence in schools, and along with the increasing incidents of guns being brought to school, it's clear that we need a better response to potential threats.

https://moco360.media/2022/04/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-police-officers-in-montgomery-county-schools/

Each of the county’s principals supported keeping the SRO program in place, according to MCPS. Many parents advocated for police to remain in schools.

MCPS has been slow to hire additional social workers, though, and in a recent interview with Bethesda Beat, Elrich said that if he had known it would have taken such a long time to fill those positions, he would have talked more about an “interim” plan.

School district and police department leaders have acknowledged an increase in “serious incidents” at county schools this academic year, including the first school shooting in MCPS history in January at Col. Zadok Magruder High School.

Principals know more about what is going in the schools than the BOE, Elrich, the county council and sjw.

After the shooting at Magruder, the powers that be realized that we need cops to be closer, so they changed the model of the CEO to have an office in the building rather than just be outside, but close to the schools.

Does a mass shooting need to occur in order for the powers that be to realize that a CEO in a tiny office can't as easily respond to a mass shooting compared to an SRO who walks the halls?

And maybe if we had SROs walking the halls, especially near the bathrooms, there would be less vaping in the bathrooms, and the Principals will feel more comfortable opening more bathrooms for the rest of the kids to use for their bodily functions.

I realize that the SROs in Uvalde and Parkland were useless, but that doesn't make all SROs useless. Unless the anti-SROs have a better plan to address the uptick in violence and guns (more gun control isn't going to stop it, and MD already has pretty strict gun laws), an SRO is at least one solution to a complex problem. It's why our neighboring county, PG, that is majority black and brown, decided to keep their SROs.

Your post is from 2022 … the CEO program has been successful implemented since then and the information in your link/post has been addressed in the past 2 years.

The CEO program that is implemented does not allow SROs to walk the halls. Again, maybe if they did, the HS wouldn't have so many issues with locked bathrooms due to vaping.

Students vape in the classroom. Walking the halls will not stop vaping. Security can walk the hallways. You are really grasping at straws.

Again the CEO program worked and you just can’t admit it.

DP. The CEO program is a poor replacement for the traditional SRO model. The SROs at our school actually got to know the students. They chatted with students in the hallway, they supported students at their events, etc. They were actually members of our community and were able to help students before they made bad decisions. They participated in service activities with the students. The CEO program, by contrast, keeps the officers separate from the community.

The naysayers will see this as good, saying it disrupts the school-to-prison pipeline. They’ll ignore facts like the mere 9 SRO-initiated arrests in the last year of the program. Just 9 district-wide. Most encounters they had with students concluded as just a talk. Unfortunately, we’ll never know how many bad decisions we’re thwarted because of the SRO’s presence.

Exactly. People making decisions who have zero experience in the schools. This is the consequence. The CEO program as it is now is worthless. Getting to know officers as humans and officers getting the chance to see and understand where students are coming and how it is affecting them is what we want!

They just stopped a gun man so not useless.

Exactly this incident conclusively proves that CEOs are up to the task and putting more guns in schools (SROs) isn't necessary.

Um… CEOs are still police officers. They carry guns.

Yes, schools are so much safer with fewer guns on the premises. That's why I'm a huge fan of the CEO program. This incident proves it works!

I’m confused… do you think CEOs aren’t police officers?

I guess you don't know how the CEO program works. What PP meant is that CEOs don't linger in the schools hallways like SROs used to do, harassing, shoving and discipline kids. They are called when needed.

Except SROs weren’t in the hallways “harassing, shoving, and disciplin[ing] kids”. Having actually worked with them in person, I’m a good person to say what they did and did not do.

Please back up this statement. Otherwise, you’re simply feeding the false narrative that led to their departure in the first place.

There has been plenty of documentation on this thread that shows there is widespread support for SRO programs, including the fact neighboring PGCPS overwhelmingly voted to keep theirs. (Oh, I’d love to see MCPS do an open and clearly worded survey. I suspect the results would be the same as PGCPS.) There has also been documentation that shows the benefit of the program.

What I have not seen anywhere on this thread is documentation that shows MCPS’s old SRO program was a detriment to the school system.

This is what they do best when they are not running away...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/black-substitute-teacher-gets-grabbed-by-her-throat-by-a-cop-and-dragged-down-the-hallway-for-trying-to-break-up-a-fight/ar-AA19vYvN?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=3b7073b82cbc45fcdc274bd8bd8b15fa&ei=15

I see you had to head to Georgia to find an incident. I specifically asked for MCPS. Try again.

dp.. oh please, the anti-sro crowd love to bring up Uvalde and Parkland when claiming how SROs don't work. So, I think a PP bringing up another state's success with the program is appropriate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like removing the SROs was the right call since the CEO program seems to be working fine.

Actually, no. Look at MCPS crime data and filter on place "school." Now compare the results before SROs were removed and after SROs were removed. The difference is telling. Bottomline, crime has increased since SROs were removed from schools.

+1 PG county has decided to keep SROs. MCPS Principals all want them. The only adults who don't want them are progressive liberals who probably don't have kids in schools with violent kids.

[Anonymous]

Just another day in paradise. Nothing dangerous here. Everyone needs to just bury your head in the sand and don't freak out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like removing the SROs was the right call since the CEO program seems to be working fine.

Actually, no. Look at MCPS crime data and filter on place "school." Now compare the results before SROs were removed and after SROs were removed. The difference is telling. Bottomline, crime has increased since SROs were removed from schools.

+1 PG county has decided to keep SROs. MCPS Principals all want them. The only adults who don't want them are progressive liberals who probably don't have kids in schools with violent kids.

This. My kids attend a school with tons of fights and no, they don't feel safe despite the progressive liberals who think that RJ makes everything better. Of course they wouldn't know (or care) because their kids either don't attend schools where fights are the norm or they no longer have school-aged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

What exactly are you unhappy about with the Gaithersburg situation, it worked.

dp.. thankfully, this situation was resolved quickly without anyone getting hurt.

What I and many others are concerned about is the growing gun issues in our schools and the possibility that one of these days, the gun being brought to school will be used for a mass shooting. We're afraid that there is an ever increasing issue of violence in schools, and along with the increasing incidents of guns being brought to school, it's clear that we need a better response to potential threats.

https://moco360.media/2022/04/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-police-officers-in-montgomery-county-schools/

Each of the county’s principals supported keeping the SRO program in place, according to MCPS. Many parents advocated for police to remain in schools.

MCPS has been slow to hire additional social workers, though, and in a recent interview with Bethesda Beat, Elrich said that if he had known it would have taken such a long time to fill those positions, he would have talked more about an “interim” plan.

School district and police department leaders have acknowledged an increase in “serious incidents” at county schools this academic year, including the first school shooting in MCPS history in January at Col. Zadok Magruder High School.

Principals know more about what is going in the schools than the BOE, Elrich, the county council and sjw.

After the shooting at Magruder, the powers that be realized that we need cops to be closer, so they changed the model of the CEO to have an office in the building rather than just be outside, but close to the schools.

Does a mass shooting need to occur in order for the powers that be to realize that a CEO in a tiny office can't as easily respond to a mass shooting compared to an SRO who walks the halls?

And maybe if we had SROs walking the halls, especially near the bathrooms, there would be less vaping in the bathrooms, and the Principals will feel more comfortable opening more bathrooms for the rest of the kids to use for their bodily functions.

I realize that the SROs in Uvalde and Parkland were useless, but that doesn't make all SROs useless. Unless the anti-SROs have a better plan to address the uptick in violence and guns (more gun control isn't going to stop it, and MD already has pretty strict gun laws), an SRO is at least one solution to a complex problem. It's why our neighboring county, PG, that is majority black and brown, decided to keep their SROs.

Your post is from 2022 … the CEO program has been successful implemented since then and the information in your link/post has been addressed in the past 2 years.

The CEO program that is implemented does not allow SROs to walk the halls. Again, maybe if they did, the HS wouldn't have so many issues with locked bathrooms due to vaping.

Students vape in the classroom. Walking the halls will not stop vaping. Security can walk the hallways. You are really grasping at straws.

Again the CEO program worked and you just can’t admit it.

DP. The CEO program is a poor replacement for the traditional SRO model. The SROs at our school actually got to know the students. They chatted with students in the hallway, they supported students at their events, etc. They were actually members of our community and were able to help students before they made bad decisions. They participated in service activities with the students. The CEO program, by contrast, keeps the officers separate from the community.

The naysayers will see this as good, saying it disrupts the school-to-prison pipeline. They’ll ignore facts like the mere 9 SRO-initiated arrests in the last year of the program. Just 9 district-wide. Most encounters they had with students concluded as just a talk. Unfortunately, we’ll never know how many bad decisions we’re thwarted because of the SRO’s presence.

Exactly. People making decisions who have zero experience in the schools. This is the consequence. The CEO program as it is now is worthless. Getting to know officers as humans and officers getting the chance to see and understand where students are coming and how it is affecting them is what we want!

They just stopped a gun man so not useless.

Exactly this incident conclusively proves that CEOs are up to the task and putting more guns in schools (SROs) isn't necessary.

Um… CEOs are still police officers. They carry guns.

Yes, schools are so much safer with fewer guns on the premises. That's why I'm a huge fan of the CEO program. This incident proves it works!

I’m confused… do you think CEOs aren’t police officers?

I guess you don't know how the CEO program works. What PP meant is that CEOs don't linger in the schools hallways like SROs used to do, harassing, shoving and discipline kids. They are called when needed.

Except SROs weren’t in the hallways “harassing, shoving, and disciplin[ing] kids”. Having actually worked with them in person, I’m a good person to say what they did and did not do.

Please back up this statement. Otherwise, you’re simply feeding the false narrative that led to their departure in the first place.

There has been plenty of documentation on this thread that shows there is widespread support for SRO programs, including the fact neighboring PGCPS overwhelmingly voted to keep theirs. (Oh, I’d love to see MCPS do an open and clearly worded survey. I suspect the results would be the same as PGCPS.) There has also been documentation that shows the benefit of the program.

What I have not seen anywhere on this thread is documentation that shows MCPS’s old SRO program was a detriment to the school system.

What I have not seen anywhere in this thread or others is that you all are so enamored with PGCPS that you are willing to pickup and move there.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

What exactly are you unhappy about with the Gaithersburg situation, it worked.

dp.. thankfully, this situation was resolved quickly without anyone getting hurt.

What I and many others are concerned about is the growing gun issues in our schools and the possibility that one of these days, the gun being brought to school will be used for a mass shooting. We're afraid that there is an ever increasing issue of violence in schools, and along with the increasing incidents of guns being brought to school, it's clear that we need a better response to potential threats.

https://moco360.media/2022/04/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-police-officers-in-montgomery-county-schools/

Each of the county’s principals supported keeping the SRO program in place, according to MCPS. Many parents advocated for police to remain in schools.

MCPS has been slow to hire additional social workers, though, and in a recent interview with Bethesda Beat, Elrich said that if he had known it would have taken such a long time to fill those positions, he would have talked more about an “interim” plan.

School district and police department leaders have acknowledged an increase in “serious incidents” at county schools this academic year, including the first school shooting in MCPS history in January at Col. Zadok Magruder High School.

Principals know more about what is going in the schools than the BOE, Elrich, the county council and sjw.

After the shooting at Magruder, the powers that be realized that we need cops to be closer, so they changed the model of the CEO to have an office in the building rather than just be outside, but close to the schools.

Does a mass shooting need to occur in order for the powers that be to realize that a CEO in a tiny office can't as easily respond to a mass shooting compared to an SRO who walks the halls?

And maybe if we had SROs walking the halls, especially near the bathrooms, there would be less vaping in the bathrooms, and the Principals will feel more comfortable opening more bathrooms for the rest of the kids to use for their bodily functions.

I realize that the SROs in Uvalde and Parkland were useless, but that doesn't make all SROs useless. Unless the anti-SROs have a better plan to address the uptick in violence and guns (more gun control isn't going to stop it, and MD already has pretty strict gun laws), an SRO is at least one solution to a complex problem. It's why our neighboring county, PG, that is majority black and brown, decided to keep their SROs.

Your post is from 2022 … the CEO program has been successful implemented since then and the information in your link/post has been addressed in the past 2 years.

The CEO program that is implemented does not allow SROs to walk the halls. Again, maybe if they did, the HS wouldn't have so many issues with locked bathrooms due to vaping.

Students vape in the classroom. Walking the halls will not stop vaping. Security can walk the hallways. You are really grasping at straws.

Again the CEO program worked and you just can’t admit it.

DP. The CEO program is a poor replacement for the traditional SRO model. The SROs at our school actually got to know the students. They chatted with students in the hallway, they supported students at their events, etc. They were actually members of our community and were able to help students before they made bad decisions. They participated in service activities with the students. The CEO program, by contrast, keeps the officers separate from the community.

The naysayers will see this as good, saying it disrupts the school-to-prison pipeline. They’ll ignore facts like the mere 9 SRO-initiated arrests in the last year of the program. Just 9 district-wide. Most encounters they had with students concluded as just a talk. Unfortunately, we’ll never know how many bad decisions we’re thwarted because of the SRO’s presence.

Exactly. People making decisions who have zero experience in the schools. This is the consequence. The CEO program as it is now is worthless. Getting to know officers as humans and officers getting the chance to see and understand where students are coming and how it is affecting them is what we want!

They just stopped a gun man so not useless.

Exactly this incident conclusively proves that CEOs are up to the task and putting more guns in schools (SROs) isn't necessary.

Um… CEOs are still police officers. They carry guns.

Yes, schools are so much safer with fewer guns on the premises. That's why I'm a huge fan of the CEO program. This incident proves it works!

I’m confused… do you think CEOs aren’t police officers?

I guess you don't know how the CEO program works. What PP meant is that CEOs don't linger in the schools hallways like SROs used to do, harassing, shoving and discipline kids. They are called when needed.

Yes, instead what we have now is students harassing, bullying, shoving and assaulting each other or teachers and security or admin staff.

That’s a better outcome?

There have always been students harassing, bullying, shoving and assaulting each other or teachers and security or admin staff, even when there was SROs.

So you don't think the current state of violence and behavioral issues is of any concern. Got it. So just say that.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

What exactly are you unhappy about with the Gaithersburg situation, it worked.

dp.. thankfully, this situation was resolved quickly without anyone getting hurt.

What I and many others are concerned about is the growing gun issues in our schools and the possibility that one of these days, the gun being brought to school will be used for a mass shooting. We're afraid that there is an ever increasing issue of violence in schools, and along with the increasing incidents of guns being brought to school, it's clear that we need a better response to potential threats.

https://moco360.media/2022/04/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-police-officers-in-montgomery-county-schools/

Each of the county’s principals supported keeping the SRO program in place, according to MCPS. Many parents advocated for police to remain in schools.

MCPS has been slow to hire additional social workers, though, and in a recent interview with Bethesda Beat, Elrich said that if he had known it would have taken such a long time to fill those positions, he would have talked more about an “interim” plan.

School district and police department leaders have acknowledged an increase in “serious incidents” at county schools this academic year, including the first school shooting in MCPS history in January at Col. Zadok Magruder High School.

Principals know more about what is going in the schools than the BOE, Elrich, the county council and sjw.

After the shooting at Magruder, the powers that be realized that we need cops to be closer, so they changed the model of the CEO to have an office in the building rather than just be outside, but close to the schools.

Does a mass shooting need to occur in order for the powers that be to realize that a CEO in a tiny office can't as easily respond to a mass shooting compared to an SRO who walks the halls?

And maybe if we had SROs walking the halls, especially near the bathrooms, there would be less vaping in the bathrooms, and the Principals will feel more comfortable opening more bathrooms for the rest of the kids to use for their bodily functions.

I realize that the SROs in Uvalde and Parkland were useless, but that doesn't make all SROs useless. Unless the anti-SROs have a better plan to address the uptick in violence and guns (more gun control isn't going to stop it, and MD already has pretty strict gun laws), an SRO is at least one solution to a complex problem. It's why our neighboring county, PG, that is majority black and brown, decided to keep their SROs.

Your post is from 2022 … the CEO program has been successful implemented since then and the information in your link/post has been addressed in the past 2 years.

The CEO program that is implemented does not allow SROs to walk the halls. Again, maybe if they did, the HS wouldn't have so many issues with locked bathrooms due to vaping.

Students vape in the classroom. Walking the halls will not stop vaping. Security can walk the hallways. You are really grasping at straws.

Again the CEO program worked and you just can’t admit it.

DP. The CEO program is a poor replacement for the traditional SRO model. The SROs at our school actually got to know the students. They chatted with students in the hallway, they supported students at their events, etc. They were actually members of our community and were able to help students before they made bad decisions. They participated in service activities with the students. The CEO program, by contrast, keeps the officers separate from the community.

The naysayers will see this as good, saying it disrupts the school-to-prison pipeline. They’ll ignore facts like the mere 9 SRO-initiated arrests in the last year of the program. Just 9 district-wide. Most encounters they had with students concluded as just a talk. Unfortunately, we’ll never know how many bad decisions we’re thwarted because of the SRO’s presence.

Exactly. People making decisions who have zero experience in the schools. This is the consequence. The CEO program as it is now is worthless. Getting to know officers as humans and officers getting the chance to see and understand where students are coming and how it is affecting them is what we want!

They just stopped a gun man so not useless.

Exactly this incident conclusively proves that CEOs are up to the task and putting more guns in schools (SROs) isn't necessary.

Um… CEOs are still police officers. They carry guns.

Yes, schools are so much safer with fewer guns on the premises. That's why I'm a huge fan of the CEO program. This incident proves it works!

I’m confused… do you think CEOs aren’t police officers?

I guess you don't know how the CEO program works. What PP meant is that CEOs don't linger in the schools hallways like SROs used to do, harassing, shoving and discipline kids. They are called when needed.

Except SROs weren’t in the hallways “harassing, shoving, and disciplin[ing] kids”. Having actually worked with them in person, I’m a good person to say what they did and did not do.

Please back up this statement. Otherwise, you’re simply feeding the false narrative that led to their departure in the first place.

There has been plenty of documentation on this thread that shows there is widespread support for SRO programs, including the fact neighboring PGCPS overwhelmingly voted to keep theirs. (Oh, I’d love to see MCPS do an open and clearly worded survey. I suspect the results would be the same as PGCPS.) There has also been documentation that shows the benefit of the program.

What I have not seen anywhere on this thread is documentation that shows MCPS’s old SRO program was a detriment to the school system.

What I have not seen anywhere in this thread or others is that you all are so enamored with PGCPS that you are willing to pickup and move there.

If mortgage rates were lower, I would! Happily!

If a neighboring county is doing something correctly, why shouldn’t we try to emulate it? I respect PGCPS for the way they actually value their community. They allowed their community to weigh in on the decision, whereas the MoCo exec and council couldn’t bother to give the same respect. (And I suspect the only reason is they wouldn’t get their way if they had done so.)

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

What exactly are you unhappy about with the Gaithersburg situation, it worked.

dp.. thankfully, this situation was resolved quickly without anyone getting hurt.

What I and many others are concerned about is the growing gun issues in our schools and the possibility that one of these days, the gun being brought to school will be used for a mass shooting. We're afraid that there is an ever increasing issue of violence in schools, and along with the increasing incidents of guns being brought to school, it's clear that we need a better response to potential threats.

https://moco360.media/2022/04/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-police-officers-in-montgomery-county-schools/

Each of the county’s principals supported keeping the SRO program in place, according to MCPS. Many parents advocated for police to remain in schools.

MCPS has been slow to hire additional social workers, though, and in a recent interview with Bethesda Beat, Elrich said that if he had known it would have taken such a long time to fill those positions, he would have talked more about an “interim” plan.

School district and police department leaders have acknowledged an increase in “serious incidents” at county schools this academic year, including the first school shooting in MCPS history in January at Col. Zadok Magruder High School.

Principals know more about what is going in the schools than the BOE, Elrich, the county council and sjw.

After the shooting at Magruder, the powers that be realized that we need cops to be closer, so they changed the model of the CEO to have an office in the building rather than just be outside, but close to the schools.

Does a mass shooting need to occur in order for the powers that be to realize that a CEO in a tiny office can't as easily respond to a mass shooting compared to an SRO who walks the halls?

And maybe if we had SROs walking the halls, especially near the bathrooms, there would be less vaping in the bathrooms, and the Principals will feel more comfortable opening more bathrooms for the rest of the kids to use for their bodily functions.

I realize that the SROs in Uvalde and Parkland were useless, but that doesn't make all SROs useless. Unless the anti-SROs have a better plan to address the uptick in violence and guns (more gun control isn't going to stop it, and MD already has pretty strict gun laws), an SRO is at least one solution to a complex problem. It's why our neighboring county, PG, that is majority black and brown, decided to keep their SROs.

Your post is from 2022 … the CEO program has been successful implemented since then and the information in your link/post has been addressed in the past 2 years.

The CEO program that is implemented does not allow SROs to walk the halls. Again, maybe if they did, the HS wouldn't have so many issues with locked bathrooms due to vaping.

Students vape in the classroom. Walking the halls will not stop vaping. Security can walk the hallways. You are really grasping at straws.

Again the CEO program worked and you just can’t admit it.

DP. The CEO program is a poor replacement for the traditional SRO model. The SROs at our school actually got to know the students. They chatted with students in the hallway, they supported students at their events, etc. They were actually members of our community and were able to help students before they made bad decisions. They participated in service activities with the students. The CEO program, by contrast, keeps the officers separate from the community.

The naysayers will see this as good, saying it disrupts the school-to-prison pipeline. They’ll ignore facts like the mere 9 SRO-initiated arrests in the last year of the program. Just 9 district-wide. Most encounters they had with students concluded as just a talk. Unfortunately, we’ll never know how many bad decisions we’re thwarted because of the SRO’s presence.

Exactly. People making decisions who have zero experience in the schools. This is the consequence. The CEO program as it is now is worthless. Getting to know officers as humans and officers getting the chance to see and understand where students are coming and how it is affecting them is what we want!

They just stopped a gun man so not useless.

Exactly this incident conclusively proves that CEOs are up to the task and putting more guns in schools (SROs) isn't necessary.

Um… CEOs are still police officers. They carry guns.

Yes, schools are so much safer with fewer guns on the premises. That's why I'm a huge fan of the CEO program. This incident proves it works!

I’m confused… do you think CEOs aren’t police officers?

I guess you don't know how the CEO program works. What PP meant is that CEOs don't linger in the schools hallways like SROs used to do, harassing, shoving and discipline kids. They are called when needed.

Except SROs weren’t in the hallways “harassing, shoving, and disciplin[ing] kids”. Having actually worked with them in person, I’m a good person to say what they did and did not do.

Please back up this statement. Otherwise, you’re simply feeding the false narrative that led to their departure in the first place.

There has been plenty of documentation on this thread that shows there is widespread support for SRO programs, including the fact neighboring PGCPS overwhelmingly voted to keep theirs. (Oh, I’d love to see MCPS do an open and clearly worded survey. I suspect the results would be the same as PGCPS.) There has also been documentation that shows the benefit of the program.

What I have not seen anywhere on this thread is documentation that shows MCPS’s old SRO program was a detriment to the school system.

What I have not seen anywhere in this thread or others is that you all are so enamored with PGCPS that you are willing to pickup and move there.

That's really dumb. Do you think MoCo and MCPS are perfect? When you have complaints about MoCo or MCPS, do you just pick up and move?

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At what point do we hold parents accountable? There is only so much MCPS, school-based leaders, and the county council can do. When can we start getting parents to parent again?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like removing the SROs was the right call since the CEO program seems to be working fine.

Actually, no. Look at MCPS crime data and filter on place "school." Now compare the results before SROs were removed and after SROs were removed. The difference is telling. Bottomline, crime has increased since SROs were removed from schools.

+1 PG county has decided to keep SROs. MCPS Principals all want them. The only adults who don't want them are progressive liberals who probably don't have kids in schools with violent kids.

This. My kids attend a school with tons of fights and no, they don't feel safe despite the progressive liberals who think that RJ makes everything better. Of course they wouldn't know (or care) because their kids either don't attend schools where fights are the norm or they no longer have school-aged kids.

You know, I think it's something different. I was privy to a lot of the discussions around getting rid of SROs due to my professional role at the time, and the loudest voices were from white women who live in Silver Spring and Takoma Park. They actually do have kids in these schools, and those kids are part of the problem. In general, the Black (predominantly East African immigrant) families in our schools wanted the SROs to stay, and the white parents with disruptive boys wanted them gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like removing the SROs was the right call since the CEO program seems to be working fine.

Actually, no. Look at MCPS crime data and filter on place "school." Now compare the results before SROs were removed and after SROs were removed. The difference is telling. Bottomline, crime has increased since SROs were removed from schools.

+1 PG county has decided to keep SROs. MCPS Principals all want them. The only adults who don't want them are progressive liberals who probably don't have kids in schools with violent kids.

Pg made the same changes to their SRO program as moco did but didn’t change the name.

They also reduced the numbers

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like removing the SROs was the right call since the CEO program seems to be working fine.

Actually, no. Look at MCPS crime data and filter on place "school." Now compare the results before SROs were removed and after SROs were removed. The difference is telling. Bottomline, crime has increased since SROs were removed from schools.

+1 PG county has decided to keep SROs. MCPS Principals all want them. The only adults who don't want them are progressive liberals who probably don't have kids in schools with violent kids.

This. My kids attend a school with tons of fights and no, they don't feel safe despite the progressive liberals who think that RJ makes everything better. Of course they wouldn't know (or care) because their kids either don't attend schools where fights are the norm or they no longer have school-aged kids.

You know, I think it's something different. I was privy to a lot of the discussions around getting rid of SROs due to my professional role at the time, and the loudest voices were from white women who live in Silver Spring and Takoma Park. They actually do have kids in these schools, and those kids are part of the problem. In general, the Black (predominantly East African immigrant) families in our schools wanted the SROs to stay, and the white parents with disruptive boys wanted them gone.

You don’t seem to be that knowledgeable since SRO’s didn’t go away they just got a new name

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Anonymous wrote:At what point do we hold parents accountable? There is only so much MCPS, school-based leaders, and the county council can do. When can we start getting parents to parent again?

Suspensions and expulsions are tactics that do hold parents accountable because it makes the badly behaving children the parents' problem and responsibility, not the school's. But MCPS and other school-based leaders and state legislators have stripped these tools away from school systems in the name of racial and social justice.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like removing the SROs was the right call since the CEO program seems to be working fine.

Actually, no. Look at MCPS crime data and filter on place "school." Now compare the results before SROs were removed and after SROs were removed. The difference is telling. Bottomline, crime has increased since SROs were removed from schools.

+1 PG county has decided to keep SROs. MCPS Principals all want them. The only adults who don't want them are progressive liberals who probably don't have kids in schools with violent kids.

This. My kids attend a school with tons of fights and no, they don't feel safe despite the progressive liberals who think that RJ makes everything better. Of course they wouldn't know (or care) because their kids either don't attend schools where fights are the norm or they no longer have school-aged kids.

You know, I think it's something different. I was privy to a lot of the discussions around getting rid of SROs due to my professional role at the time, and the loudest voices were from white women who live in Silver Spring and Takoma Park. They actually do have kids in these schools, and those kids are part of the problem. In general, the Black (predominantly East African immigrant) families in our schools wanted the SROs to stay, and the white parents with disruptive boys wanted them gone.

You don’t seem to be that knowledgeable since SRO’s didn’t go away they just got a new name

We are well aware that the SRO program ***was*** disbanded, only to be brought back later in a scaled-back CEO form.

You can choose to ignore that fact. The CEO program came back only when the council realized they made a mistake getting rid of SROs.