The Crown Season 6

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't understand why Harry signed a deal with Netflix when Netflix has so thoroughly exploited his family. Is it ok with him that he, his mother, father, and brother are portrayed during the most intensely personal time of their lives?

While I love The Crown, I'm not a member of this family. If I was, I would never align myself with the company responsible for humiliating my parents.

Harry had thoroughly exploited his family himself.

And they’ve exploited him. Pretty well established how his dad and stepmother used him and William to rehab her image and remove scrutiny for her son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the show did a great job of capturing the dread and panic building, from D’s side, as she was trying to get home on her last day alive; I had to fast forward at a few points b/c it was too stressful for me. Whereas The Queen showed that week from, well, Elizabeth’s perspective, and while there was some real footage of Diana that night, we didn’t understand from that movie, if I recall correctly, that she had been to Villa Windsor earlier in the day, really wanted to talk to her kids, etc.

This is selfish, but these four episodes made me feel guilty that I am not a fun, “loving it” mom to my 2 kids; I read some interviews w/ Debecki and she said she was really trying to show D’s happiest, highest moments as motherhood. I know that having kids 10 years after she did, plus not having the long breaks and (access to) the level of wealth she did, probably contribute, but I feel like, damn, I’m a shitty mom.

I'm sure you're not shitty. We'd all be a "fun aunt" kind of mom if we saw our children as intermittently as Diana did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the show did a great job of capturing the dread and panic building, from D’s side, as she was trying to get home on her last day alive; I had to fast forward at a few points b/c it was too stressful for me. Whereas The Queen showed that week from, well, Elizabeth’s perspective, and while there was some real footage of Diana that night, we didn’t understand from that movie, if I recall correctly, that she had been to Villa Windsor earlier in the day, really wanted to talk to her kids, etc.

This is selfish, but these four episodes made me feel guilty that I am not a fun, “loving it” mom to my 2 kids; I read some interviews w/ Debecki and she said she was really trying to show D’s happiest, highest moments as motherhood. I know that having kids 10 years after she did, plus not having the long breaks and (access to) the level of wealth she did, probably contribute, but I feel like, damn, I’m a shitty mom.

I think they portray her as a Disney Dad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harry needs a LOT of money so I’m not really mad at him for signing any deal that gets them paid. They have an expensive life.

+1000
Harry's shitty family left him out in the cold, after cultivating an environment that that whipped people into violent hysteria. Charles literally removed his security. There have been credible death threats. Do you know how expensive full time armed security is? He did what he needed to do to keep his kids safe and I don't blame him one bit.

[Anonymous]

Charles literally removed his security. There have been credible death threats. Do you know how expensive full time armed security is? He did what he needed to do to keep his kids safe and I don't blame him one bit.

Agree and to bring this back to the show, Charles et al did the same thing to Diana - she only had regular police security at public events - and that was one of the reasons that spending time with the Fayeds that summer was so attractive. The show is very pro Charles so it doesn’t mention that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know—does the series’s portrayal of Dodi’s father as having been scheming for access to the royal family over decades actually hold any water? Fascinating if true. (and even if not).

I liked how this season presents a perfectly logical explanation for the gap that has always existed between Mohammed al-Fayed’s portrayal of the relationship (with the display case at Harrod’s, etc) and reality—his kid was just too much of a wuss to tell him the truth about the proposal.

Also fascinating if true (and even if not)!

It holds an ocean of water. Mohamed Al Fayed was desperate to get British citizenship and was twice refused. He went around falsely claiming that Diana was pregnant by Dodi when she died and then went bonkers and accused Prince Phillip of masterminding her death because they couldn’t have her marrying a Muslim. The BRF responded by revoking Harrods’ royal warrants.

I agree with you both! I do think the show does a good job of presenting both families in the most favorable light. Which, it must be said, is still not that favorable. Mohamed Al Fayed likely did befriend Diana and introduce her to his son with some designs of that relationship benefitting him personally (and professionally). We have no idea if he actually pressured Dodi as much as is shown on the show, but given the broken engagement with Kelly Fisher and the degree to which Dodi and Mohamed appeared to be "wooing" Diana, it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Providing some back story on MAF also helps to make these choices feel, if not sympathetic, then more understandable. He wanted acceptance and legitimacy in Western society. He is not the first, nor is he the first to go about it via business and personal relationships. It is a tragic story for the Al Fayed family too, and I'm glad the show took the time to develop Dodi's character in a sympathetic way and show their story as well. It may not be "true" (nothing in this show is really "true" in that way -- it's all a dramatic interpretation featuring conversations and relationships that the creators can never actually know the truth of) but I did find it enlightening anyway.

Also, Price Phillip was a deeply racist person so even though there's now way he "masterminded" Diana's and Dodi's death, there is a kernel of truth to Mohamed's accusation because, indeed, Phillip likely would have been extremely displeased if Diana had tried to marry a Muslim and raise the boys in a partially Muslim home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know—does the series’s portrayal of Dodi’s father as having been scheming for access to the royal family over decades actually hold any water? Fascinating if true. (and even if not).

I liked how this season presents a perfectly logical explanation for the gap that has always existed between Mohammed al-Fayed’s portrayal of the relationship (with the display case at Harrod’s, etc) and reality—his kid was just too much of a wuss to tell him the truth about the proposal.

Also fascinating if true (and even if not)!

It holds an ocean of water. Mohamed Al Fayed was desperate to get British citizenship and was twice refused. He went around falsely claiming that Diana was pregnant by Dodi when she died and then went bonkers and accused Prince Phillip of masterminding her death because they couldn’t have her marrying a Muslim. The BRF responded by revoking Harrods’ royal warrants.

I agree with you both! I do think the show does a good job of presenting both families in the most favorable light. Which, it must be said, is still not that favorable. Mohamed Al Fayed likely did befriend Diana and introduce her to his son with some designs of that relationship benefitting him personally (and professionally). We have no idea if he actually pressured Dodi as much as is shown on the show, but given the broken engagement with Kelly Fisher and the degree to which Dodi and Mohamed appeared to be "wooing" Diana, it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Providing some back story on MAF also helps to make these choices feel, if not sympathetic, then more understandable. He wanted acceptance and legitimacy in Western society. He is not the first, nor is he the first to go about it via business and personal relationships. It is a tragic story for the Al Fayed family too, and I'm glad the show took the time to develop Dodi's character in a sympathetic way and show their story as well. It may not be "true" (nothing in this show is really "true" in that way -- it's all a dramatic interpretation featuring conversations and relationships that the creators can never actually know the truth of) but I did find it enlightening anyway.

Also, Price Phillip was a deeply racist person so even though there's now way he "masterminded" Diana's and Dodi's death, there is a kernel of truth to Mohamed's accusation because, indeed, Phillip likely would have been extremely displeased if Diana had tried to marry a Muslim and raise the boys in a partially Muslim home.

I think the actor who portrays MAF does an amazing job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It wasnt great. I wonder if Diana was as annoying in real life.

Honestly I bet she was. She didn’t deserve her fate, but yeah, I bet she was a lot.

A lot?? For wanting her DH not to cheat on her and throw his mistress in her face? For thinking her DH actually loved her? For wanting to get some normalcy in her life where she could?

GMAFB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harry needs a LOT of money so I’m not really mad at him for signing any deal that gets them paid. They have an expensive life.

+1000
Harry's shitty family left him out in the cold, after cultivating an environment that that whipped people into violent hysteria. Charles literally removed his security. There have been credible death threats. Do you know how expensive full time armed security is? He did what he needed to do to keep his kids safe and I don't blame him one bit.

+ a million.

Team Harry, for sure.

YOu love your kid unconditionally and Charles and The Firm proved they are not capable of that. Removing their security in the face of credible threats was low, low, and low.

I hope he milks his fame for any amount of money he can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't understand why Harry signed a deal with Netflix when Netflix has so thoroughly exploited his family. Is it ok with him that he, his mother, father, and brother are portrayed during the most intensely personal time of their lives?

While I love The Crown, I'm not a member of this family. If I was, I would never align myself with the company responsible for humiliating my parents.

I have watched all 6 seasons and don't think they have been humiliated. There is nothing that tabloids haven't already published. Before watching had a negative impression of Charles. Now I don't. The actor who plays him is much more charismatic but perhaps that is by design. The scenes with the different prime ministers and the Queen were really intersecting and it helped me understand the importance of the monarchy as an institution. I predict if the episodes continue to the present William will be shown in a positive light while Harry will not be. If the creators wanted to humiliate every member of the royal family they could but I don't think that is the intent at all.

It’s clearly not the intent. If it was they would have spent more - rather ANY - time on Andrew and Sarah Ferguson which was such a juicy story that got completely ignored.

You must be joking (both of you). The whole leaked telephone call between Camilla and Charles about the tampons, etc.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guy who plays Dodi is more attractive than Dodi was in real life. I guess I did not realize that Dodi's father was orchestrating their rendezvous while Dodi was engaged to Kelly Fisher. She never should have gotten involved with him. Is it true she turned down his proposal or is that all fictional? I wish someone could have told her at the time to focus on her boys and her charities and to forget about Dodi. What I found most compelling about this season and that she definitely seemed like she was losing touch with herself and was unmoored out there, as her boys were truly her anchor. Poor Diana--wish we could go back in time to stop her.

I was wondering if this was true, also. The Washington Post just had an article about it, saying he did buy a ring but it’s not clear if he really proposed. I just thought it was bizarre for the show to feature something like that, which is all speculation. I also didn’t realize that Dodi’s father was supposedly instigating the relationship.

+1
So much of the show is speculation - conversations, etc. I love the show, don't get me wrong. But most of it is just pure speculation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know—does the series’s portrayal of Dodi’s father as having been scheming for access to the royal family over decades actually hold any water? Fascinating if true. (and even if not).

I liked how this season presents a perfectly logical explanation for the gap that has always existed between Mohammed al-Fayed’s portrayal of the relationship (with the display case at Harrod’s, etc) and reality—his kid was just too much of a wuss to tell him the truth about the proposal.

Also fascinating if true (and even if not)!

It holds an ocean of water. Mohamed Al Fayed was desperate to get British citizenship and was twice refused. He went around falsely claiming that Diana was pregnant by Dodi when she died and then went bonkers and accused Prince Phillip of masterminding her death because they couldn’t have her marrying a Muslim. The BRF responded by revoking Harrods’ royal warrants.

I agree with you both! I do think the show does a good job of presenting both families in the most favorable light. Which, it must be said, is still not that favorable. Mohamed Al Fayed likely did befriend Diana and introduce her to his son with some designs of that relationship benefitting him personally (and professionally). We have no idea if he actually pressured Dodi as much as is shown on the show, but given the broken engagement with Kelly Fisher and the degree to which Dodi and Mohamed appeared to be "wooing" Diana, it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Providing some back story on MAF also helps to make these choices feel, if not sympathetic, then more understandable. He wanted acceptance and legitimacy in Western society. He is not the first, nor is he the first to go about it via business and personal relationships. It is a tragic story for the Al Fayed family too, and I'm glad the show took the time to develop Dodi's character in a sympathetic way and show their story as well. It may not be "true" (nothing in this show is really "true" in that way -- it's all a dramatic interpretation featuring conversations and relationships that the creators can never actually know the truth of) but I did find it enlightening anyway.

Also, Price Phillip was a deeply racist person so even though there's now way he "masterminded" Diana's and Dodi's death, there is a kernel of truth to Mohamed's accusation because, indeed, Phillip likely would have been extremely displeased if Diana had tried to marry a Muslim and raise the boys in a partially Muslim home.

I think the actor who portrays MAF does an amazing job.

Agree. He’s one of the top break-out stars of the series…which is why we are talking a lot about MAF!

[Anonymous]

I thought the show did a great job of capturing the dread and panic building, from D’s side, as she was trying to get home on her last day alive; I had to fast forward at a few points b/c it was too stressful for me.

They did do a great job with this. Even though you know what’s going to happen it read like a horror movie when you’re pleading with the protagonists to just run out of the house. So many things went wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guy who plays Dodi is more attractive than Dodi was in real life. I guess I did not realize that Dodi's father was orchestrating their rendezvous while Dodi was engaged to Kelly Fisher. She never should have gotten involved with him. Is it true she turned down his proposal or is that all fictional? I wish someone could have told her at the time to focus on her boys and her charities and to forget about Dodi. What I found most compelling about this season and that she definitely seemed like she was losing touch with herself and was unmoored out there, as her boys were truly her anchor. Poor Diana--wish we could go back in time to stop her.

I was wondering if this was true, also. The Washington Post just had an article about it, saying he did buy a ring but it’s not clear if he really proposed. I just thought it was bizarre for the show to feature something like that, which is all speculation. I also didn’t realize that Dodi’s father was supposedly instigating the relationship.

That part about MAF calling the paparazzo in the Two Photographs episode to come and shoot them on the yacht is fictional - that character is a real person who lived in Monaco, heard she might be there and went and got the photo himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I thought the show did a great job of capturing the dread and panic building, from D’s side, as she was trying to get home on her last day alive; I had to fast forward at a few points b/c it was too stressful for me.

They did do a great job with this. Even though you know what’s going to happen it read like a horror movie when you’re pleading with the protagonists to just run out of the house. So many things went wrong.

Yes, when the characters were suddenly dressed in the “death outfits” which we knew so well - her white jeans, his brown shirt - it felt like a kick in the stomach - here it comes.