Mass shooting at dc nightclub

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:More police will not resolve the issue, addressing poverty, the lack of family structures and rising cost of inflation for food, and other basic necessities will address the problem. More policing leads to more jail. Once out, those who paid their debt to society are then unable to be reintegrated back into society which causes them to commit more crimes to survive.

America is not a first world country because it cannot even adequately feed children, ensure that working mothers have free safe daycare and provide housing to those in need.

And what about the 3 children who will now grow up without a father? How does allowing this violence to continue (because insert sob story about the perpetrator) help the children who lose a parent to a stray bullet?

If we want to act like a first world country, we need to be protecting our innocent children from violence. Guns are now a leading cause of death for youth in America. But sure, please tell me about how all these shooters just need a hot meal and a hug.

You are focused on the after effects, I am focused on the before it gets to this point. I am sorry for the loss of that father, husband, brother but that does not change the fact that American culture is inherently selfish and will continue to pay the price for refusing to have expansive holistic coverage for wrap around services, instead its made to be political instead of a basic human right.

But doesn't DC ALREADY spend way more than other cities on outreach and violence prevention services?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More police will not resolve the issue, addressing poverty, the lack of family structures and rising cost of inflation for food, and other basic necessities will address the problem. More policing leads to more jail. Once out, those who paid their debt to society are then unable to be reintegrated back into society which causes them to commit more crimes to survive.

America is not a first world country because it cannot even adequately feed children, ensure that working mothers have free safe daycare and provide housing to those in need.

And what about the 3 children who will now grow up without a father? How does allowing this violence to continue (because insert sob story about the perpetrator) help the children who lose a parent to a stray bullet?

If we want to act like a first world country, we need to be protecting our innocent children from violence. Guns are now a leading cause of death for youth in America. But sure, please tell me about how all these shooters just need a hot meal and a hug.

You are focused on the after effects, I am focused on the before it gets to this point. I am sorry for the loss of that father, husband, brother but that does not change the fact that American culture is inherently selfish and will continue to pay the price for refusing to have expansive holistic coverage for wrap around services, instead its made to be political instead of a basic human right.

But it isn't a basic human right and is not something that can be guaranteed. Wrap around services are instead the product of someone's labor, the person benefitting from the services or someone else. Whether it's a parent providing these services or a government, in both cases effort of someone else is required. The cultural rot is the problem, not the fact that the government isn't taking more from a smaller percentage of the population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's horrible. I cannot believe that we make legal gun ownership so difficult in DC (rightly, and I say this as a legal gun owning household) and illegal gun-ownership gets a slap on the wrist. It's a scandal that needs even more investigative work.

I agree. I really do not understand why we can't get more funding for more policing.
I lean left, and will never vote for a conservative, but come on. Do better, liberals.

What about this incident makes you think the cause is lack of policing?

Don't play dense. At this point we need to basically double the police and crack down hard on any and all crime and vagrancy. So tired of the constant shootings.

Thanks for letting us know you don’t know what the phrase “constant shootings” means.

There is at least one shooting every day in DC. What do you think the word "constant" means?

We used to get two and three homicides a night in the 1990's. We might be headed back in that direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ANC involvement in nightclub licenses on that block was recently covered in https://dcist.com/story/23/09/11/h-street-gentrifying-anc-liquor-licenses-kitchencray/

I wonder if this event will change anything.

Kitchen Cray was a restaurant. This was a club.

[Anonymous]

The city has closed Cru Lounge, doubt it will ever re-open. Think it's a chain or franchise, they seem to operate in quite a few cities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ANC involvement in nightclub licenses on that block was recently covered in https://dcist.com/story/23/09/11/h-street-gentrifying-anc-liquor-licenses-kitchencray/

I wonder if this event will change anything.

Kitchen Cray was a restaurant. This was a club.

It was a restaurant that wanted to open a lounge in its basement, according to the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More police will not resolve the issue, addressing poverty, the lack of family structures and rising cost of inflation for food, and other basic necessities will address the problem. More policing leads to more jail. Once out, those who paid their debt to society are then unable to be reintegrated back into society which causes them to commit more crimes to survive.

America is not a first world country because it cannot even adequately feed children, ensure that working mothers have free safe daycare and provide housing to those in need.

And what about the 3 children who will now grow up without a father? How does allowing this violence to continue (because insert sob story about the perpetrator) help the children who lose a parent to a stray bullet?

If we want to act like a first world country, we need to be protecting our innocent children from violence. Guns are now a leading cause of death for youth in America. But sure, please tell me about how all these shooters just need a hot meal and a hug.

You are focused on the after effects, I am focused on the before it gets to this point. I am sorry for the loss of that father, husband, brother but that does not change the fact that American culture is inherently selfish and will continue to pay the price for refusing to have expansive holistic coverage for wrap around services, instead its made to be political instead of a basic human right.

I’m focused on the before too. We have a generation of children growing up surrounded by crime. What will be the after effects of this? I have no idea the SES of the man killed in this instance, but in speaking of broader violence, what are the long term effects on poor/working class kids who grow up not being protected from violence? They grow with fear and anxiety from the crime around them. They then see that these violent acts do not lead to any true consequences.

I am totally for the things you mentioned about affordable childcare and helping to feed/house people. But we also need to be keeping them safe from violent criminals. What good is a housing voucher if your neighborhood is getting shot up?

Feed people. House people. Provide them healthcare and childcare. And PROTECT them from the dangerous criminals who keep routinely being let back out on the streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More police will not resolve the issue, addressing poverty, the lack of family structures and rising cost of inflation for food, and other basic necessities will address the problem. More policing leads to more jail. Once out, those who paid their debt to society are then unable to be reintegrated back into society which causes them to commit more crimes to survive.

America is not a first world country because it cannot even adequately feed children, ensure that working mothers have free safe daycare and provide housing to those in need.

And what about the 3 children who will now grow up without a father? How does allowing this violence to continue (because insert sob story about the perpetrator) help the children who lose a parent to a stray bullet?

If we want to act like a first world country, we need to be protecting our innocent children from violence. Guns are now a leading cause of death for youth in America. But sure, please tell me about how all these shooters just need a hot meal and a hug.

You are focused on the after effects, I am focused on the before it gets to this point. I am sorry for the loss of that father, husband, brother but that does not change the fact that American culture is inherently selfish and will continue to pay the price for refusing to have expansive holistic coverage for wrap around services, instead its made to be political instead of a basic human right.

I’m focused on the before too. We have a generation of children growing up surrounded by crime. What will be the after effects of this? I have no idea the SES of the man killed in this instance, but in speaking of broader violence, what are the long term effects on poor/working class kids who grow up not being protected from violence? They grow with fear and anxiety from the crime around them. They then see that these violent acts do not lead to any true consequences.

I am totally for the things you mentioned about affordable childcare and helping to feed/house people. But we also need to be keeping them safe from violent criminals. What good is a housing voucher if your neighborhood is getting shot up?

Feed people. House people. Provide them healthcare and childcare. And PROTECT them from the dangerous criminals who keep routinely being let back out on the streets.

Thousands have been given housing in buildings on Connecticut & Wisconsin, they have EBT and kids appear to attend daycare. Crime has come at the same time, in and around the buildings, in what used to be a very safe area, even in the 90s. The PSA from CP going north has had the biggest percentage increase in crime of anywhere in the city in the past few years, including a daytime shooting on Connecticut where the shooter then ran off across Forest Hills playground on a Saturday afternoon. Neither the shooters or the victim lived in The Saratoga or The Brandywine, but per MPD they had "ties" to people in both. And the shooter had an electronic key card to enter The Saratoga. Do their "associates" live in either place or do they just have relationships with those who do? A lot of crime in DC is connected to drugs and "crews" and that is not as easy to unwind as you may think. Many of the dealers live outside DC but come in.

When I saw this thread bumped I had hoped an arrest had been made in what seemed to be a hit in the club. Not clear who the target was. That's the thing in DC, so many are hit by strays and no reason it could not be you, out in public, in your home in Columbia Heights or Capitol Hill, where bullets have gone through windows and walls.

Stay safe, everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crime was worse in the 1990s.

Harriet's Dreams troll, in the house.

[Anonymous]

The death of the young man is tragic. It’s always the best and the brightest that have to be killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime was worse in the 1990s.

Harriet's Dreams troll, in the house.

You think I am trolling, and there is only one person stating the truth: “crime was higher in the 90s?” OMG.

PP, why dont you try reading Jeff’s commentary on the main page for DCUMAD. He often repeats things like “So, while murder rates were higher when I first arrived in DC, they were concentrated. . .” or how when he moved here 40 years ago, crime rates were worse.

PP, you are a troll. Grow up. Fact is: crime was worse in the 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the people doing the shootings were already in jail??? How would they be able to shoot a place up??

It doesn't matter because the people they kill are mostly black. You don't get a white liberal antiracist badge if you stand up for black victims of crime, only for violent criminals. I say this as a non-white Democrat, and completely disgusted by this hypocrisy within my own party. Also there is a huge overlap in the Venn diagram between those ultra urban liberals on bicycles who hate moms in cars and those who would not even flinch at reckless driving by black males on motorcycles or souped up (possibly stolen) cars, running red lights mowing down pedestrians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime was worse in the 1990s.

Harriet's Dreams troll, in the house.

You think I am trolling, and there is only one person stating the truth: “crime was higher in the 90s?” OMG.

PP, why dont you try reading Jeff’s commentary on the main page for DCUMAD. He often repeats things like “So, while murder rates were higher when I first arrived in DC, they were concentrated. . .” or how when he moved here 40 years ago, crime rates were worse.

PP, you are a troll. Grow up. Fact is: crime was worse in the 90s.

DP. What kind of point do you think you’re making? Should we roll it all the way back to the riots before we start caring?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime was worse in the 1990s.

Harriet's Dreams troll, in the house.

You think I am trolling, and there is only one person stating the truth: “crime was higher in the 90s?” OMG.

PP, why dont you try reading Jeff’s commentary on the main page for DCUMAD. He often repeats things like “So, while murder rates were higher when I first arrived in DC, they were concentrated. . .” or how when he moved here 40 years ago, crime rates were worse.

PP, you are a troll. Grow up. Fact is: crime was worse in the 90s.

DP. What kind of point do you think you’re making? Should we roll it all the way back to the riots before we start caring?

Guess so. And PP did not deny the HD affiliation.

Look at current crime stats, put out by the government. And note, crime is far more random timewise and diffuse geographically, stretching a smaller MPD further.

[Anonymous]

Arrests made in this shooting.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/former-dc-violence-interrupter-arrested-in-connection-to-shooting-death-former-morgan-state-basketball-player/65-fbb41d73-3338-41d4-b45a-a5a58a4d0bdb

Surprise, surprise, one of those arrested was a Violence Interrupter.

https://oag.dc.gov/blog/cure-streets-spotlight-cotey-wynn