Boundary study- how will Whitman be impacted (s/o)

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Anonymous wrote:But why would they move currently assigned Whitman kids to Walter Johnson? Walter Johnson is part of the overcrowding problem and Whitman is under capacity.

Because Equity. Overcrowding isn’t the problem the BOE is trying to solve for based on all of the public statements I’ve heard from them about how much of an opportunity this is to make transformational change in access, equity and diversity.

A foolish statement, given that the reason for the boundary study is that MCPS IS BUILDING A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.

Have you watched the board meetings and listened to the public statements made by board members? Nothing is being said about overcrowding. Sure, a new school needs to be filled but if that was the narrow purpose of the boundary change analysis they wouldn’t have had to include all of the schools in the analysis. When people like Dan Reed and Jill Ortman Fouse start testifying like they recently have been, no one can claim with a straight face that this analysis is anything but another bite at the redistricting apple that the board failed so miserably on just before Covid. Heck, MCPS policy requires them to prioritize demographics and equity above all else in these studies. Try to learn a bit, pay attention and catch up on some old meetings via YouTube before you start saying that folks are foolish to believe this is simply an exercise in balancing overcrowding.

This was a lie in 2019, and it is even more of a lie now.

And this response was a lame retort in 2019 and it is even more of a lame retort now. Just because the chickens came home to roost doesn’t mean you can disavow all of the effort and the actual language of the policy that states that the BOE must especially weigh demographics

Are you still posting from 2019? The rest of us have not just read the regulation, WHICH DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS, but have also followed all of the boundary studies that MCPS has done since then, WHICH HAVE NOT DONE WHAT YOU SAY THE POLICY REQUIRES.

Keep lying if you want to, but I have no idea why you would want to.

Ok, Jill.

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Anonymous wrote:But why would they move currently assigned Whitman kids to Walter Johnson? Walter Johnson is part of the overcrowding problem and Whitman is under capacity.

Because Equity. Overcrowding isn’t the problem the BOE is trying to solve for based on all of the public statements I’ve heard from them about how much of an opportunity this is to make transformational change in access, equity and diversity.

A foolish statement, given that the reason for the boundary study is that MCPS IS BUILDING A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.

Have you watched the board meetings and listened to the public statements made by board members? Nothing is being said about overcrowding. Sure, a new school needs to be filled but if that was the narrow purpose of the boundary change analysis they wouldn’t have had to include all of the schools in the analysis. When people like Dan Reed and Jill Ortman Fouse start testifying like they recently have been, no one can claim with a straight face that this analysis is anything but another bite at the redistricting apple that the board failed so miserably on just before Covid. Heck, MCPS policy requires them to prioritize demographics and equity above all else in these studies. Try to learn a bit, pay attention and catch up on some old meetings via YouTube before you start saying that folks are foolish to believe this is simply an exercise in balancing overcrowding.

This was a lie in 2019, and it is even more of a lie now.

And this response was a lame retort in 2019 and it is even more of a lame retort now. Just because the chickens came home to roost doesn’t mean you can disavow all of the effort and the actual language of the policy that states that the BOE must especially weigh demographics

Are you still posting from 2019? The rest of us have not just read the regulation, WHICH DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS, but have also followed all of the boundary studies that MCPS has done since then, WHICH HAVE NOT DONE WHAT YOU SAY THE POLICY REQUIRES.

Keep lying if you want to, but I have no idea why you would want to.

+1. It's going to be a long 2 years if people keep spreading misinformation like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the BOE is painted into a corner with this Middle School/High School only limit. If all they can do is move whole ESes to new MSes, it is hard to make subtle numerical changes.

Nothing in the statement by the Board that ES boundaries wouldn't change keeps them from having some of the ES kids go to a different MS.

Split articulation isn't favored, but it's not prohibited. Perhaps when that is a real possibility, parents will clamor for changing ES boundaries to keep articulation straight. But probably not.

It's MoCo - more wonks per square mile than anywhere else in the country!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, unless you are in walk zone.

For all the schools? If you’re in the walk zone you won’t be re zoned?

Walk zones are not likely to get rezoned. It's also costly for MCPS. I am saying this based on previous involvement with boundary change in MCPS. In RM cluster, MCPS left the walk zone untouched even though it created on school with very low FARMS and one with very high FARMS. This was when balancing FARMS was a priority.

Outside of Walk zone, everything can be changed. Now you can look at location and school to make an educated guess, some places are more likely to change than others.

So how do you know where the walk zones are? Is there a map of the walk zones for Whitman?

I wish MCPS posted walk zone maps like they post bus routes and service area maps.

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So explain it to me like I’m three. How will any of this help to “diversify” the schools. You look at the map and what makes sense is to move the northern half of WJ up to Woodward and then the northern part of Bradley hills and burning tree up to fill some of the void left in WJ. And maybe shift some of the western Whitman kids to church hill. But Whitman is still Whitman. It’s still primarily white and wealthy. I get the need to fill spaces in a new school, but how is the BOE going to accomplish their goal of equity within schools unless they go back to their ridiculous talk three years ago of bussing kids far distances?

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Anonymous wrote:So explain it to me like I’m three. How will any of this help to “diversify” the schools. You look at the map and what makes sense is to move the northern half of WJ up to Woodward and then the northern part of Bradley hills and burning tree up to fill some of the void left in WJ. And maybe shift some of the western Whitman kids to church hill. But Whitman is still Whitman. It’s still primarily white and wealthy. I get the need to fill spaces in a new school, but how is the BOE going to accomplish their goal of equity within schools unless they go back to their ridiculous talk three years ago of bussing kids far distances?

MCPS is opening a new school. They need to figure out who will attend that school. So they plan to do a study to figure that out.

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Anonymous wrote:So explain it to me like I’m three. How will any of this help to “diversify” the schools. You look at the map and what makes sense is to move the northern half of WJ up to Woodward and then the northern part of Bradley hills and burning tree up to fill some of the void left in WJ. And maybe shift some of the western Whitman kids to church hill. But Whitman is still Whitman. It’s still primarily white and wealthy. I get the need to fill spaces in a new school, but how is the BOE going to accomplish their goal of equity within schools unless they go back to their ridiculous talk three years ago of bussing kids far distances?

At the end of the day they probably can’t do much to diversify Whitman, but BCC, WJ and Woodward could all get some DCC feeders, which will diversify those schools. I cannot see the BOE choosing to bus kids from the DCC all the way to Whitman, and as a DCC parent I don’t want my kid bussed to Whitman, a desire that is not uncommon amongst DCC parents.

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Anonymous wrote:But why would they move currently assigned Whitman kids to Walter Johnson? Walter Johnson is part of the overcrowding problem and Whitman is under capacity.

Because Equity. Overcrowding isn’t the problem the BOE is trying to solve for based on all of the public statements I’ve heard from them about how much of an opportunity this is to make transformational change in access, equity and diversity.

A foolish statement, given that the reason for the boundary study is that MCPS IS BUILDING A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.

Have you watched the board meetings and listened to the public statements made by board members? Nothing is being said about overcrowding. Sure, a new school needs to be filled but if that was the narrow purpose of the boundary change analysis they wouldn’t have had to include all of the schools in the analysis. When people like Dan Reed and Jill Ortman Fouse start testifying like they recently have been, no one can claim with a straight face that this analysis is anything but another bite at the redistricting apple that the board failed so miserably on just before Covid. Heck, MCPS policy requires them to prioritize demographics and equity above all else in these studies. Try to learn a bit, pay attention and catch up on some old meetings via YouTube before you start saying that folks are foolish to believe this is simply an exercise in balancing overcrowding.

This was a lie in 2019, and it is even more of a lie now.

And this response was a lame retort in 2019 and it is even more of a lame retort now. Just because the chickens came home to roost doesn’t mean you can disavow all of the effort and the actual language of the policy that states that the BOE must especially weigh demographics

Are you still posting from 2019? The rest of us have not just read the regulation, WHICH DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS, but have also followed all of the boundary studies that MCPS has done since then, WHICH HAVE NOT DONE WHAT YOU SAY THE POLICY REQUIRES.

Keep lying if you want to, but I have no idea why you would want to.

+1. It's going to be a long 2 years if people keep spreading misinformation like this.

They want to get people worked up into an anti-BoE fervor to help push through extreme-right candidates like how Youngkin got elected in VA. If were to guess, these are coordinated activist groups doing this intentionally with the hope of making similar gains in MD with the same tactics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So explain it to me like I’m three. How will any of this help to “diversify” the schools. You look at the map and what makes sense is to move the northern half of WJ up to Woodward and then the northern part of Bradley hills and burning tree up to fill some of the void left in WJ. And maybe shift some of the western Whitman kids to church hill. But Whitman is still Whitman. It’s still primarily white and wealthy. I get the need to fill spaces in a new school, but how is the BOE going to accomplish their goal of equity within schools unless they go back to their ridiculous talk three years ago of bussing kids far distances?

At the end of the day they probably can’t do much to diversify Whitman, but BCC, WJ and Woodward could all get some DCC feeders, which will diversify those schools. I cannot see the BOE choosing to bus kids from the DCC all the way to Whitman, and as a DCC parent I don’t want my kid bussed to Whitman, a desire that is not uncommon amongst DCC parents.

So your county grouped the diverse areas into a region called the DCC in order to segregate the less diverse wealthier students? That kind of sounds illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:So explain it to me like I’m three. How will any of this help to “diversify” the schools. You look at the map and what makes sense is to move the northern half of WJ up to Woodward and then the northern part of Bradley hills and burning tree up to fill some of the void left in WJ. And maybe shift some of the western Whitman kids to church hill. But Whitman is still Whitman. It’s still primarily white and wealthy. I get the need to fill spaces in a new school, but how is the BOE going to accomplish their goal of equity within schools unless they go back to their ridiculous talk three years ago of bussing kids far distances?

At the end of the day they probably can’t do much to diversify Whitman, but BCC, WJ and Woodward could all get some DCC feeders, which will diversify those schools. I cannot see the BOE choosing to bus kids from the DCC all the way to Whitman, and as a DCC parent I don’t want my kid bussed to Whitman, a desire that is not uncommon amongst DCC parents.

So your county grouped the diverse areas into a region called the DCC in order to segregate the less diverse wealthier students? That kind of sounds illegal.

No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So explain it to me like I’m three. How will any of this help to “diversify” the schools. You look at the map and what makes sense is to move the northern half of WJ up to Woodward and then the northern part of Bradley hills and burning tree up to fill some of the void left in WJ. And maybe shift some of the western Whitman kids to church hill. But Whitman is still Whitman. It’s still primarily white and wealthy. I get the need to fill spaces in a new school, but how is the BOE going to accomplish their goal of equity within schools unless they go back to their ridiculous talk three years ago of bussing kids far distances?

At the end of the day they probably can’t do much to diversify Whitman, but BCC, WJ and Woodward could all get some DCC feeders, which will diversify those schools. I cannot see the BOE choosing to bus kids from the DCC all the way to Whitman, and as a DCC parent I don’t want my kid bussed to Whitman, a desire that is not uncommon amongst DCC parents.

So your county grouped the diverse areas into a region called the DCC in order to segregate the less diverse wealthier students? That kind of sounds illegal.

The Troll is strong in this one!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So explain it to me like I’m three. How will any of this help to “diversify” the schools. You look at the map and what makes sense is to move the northern half of WJ up to Woodward and then the northern part of Bradley hills and burning tree up to fill some of the void left in WJ. And maybe shift some of the western Whitman kids to church hill. But Whitman is still Whitman. It’s still primarily white and wealthy. I get the need to fill spaces in a new school, but how is the BOE going to accomplish their goal of equity within schools unless they go back to their ridiculous talk three years ago of bussing kids far distances?

At the end of the day they probably can’t do much to diversify Whitman, but BCC, WJ and Woodward could all get some DCC feeders, which will diversify those schools. I cannot see the BOE choosing to bus kids from the DCC all the way to Whitman, and as a DCC parent I don’t want my kid bussed to Whitman, a desire that is not uncommon amongst DCC parents.

So your county grouped the diverse areas into a region called the DCC in order to segregate the less diverse wealthier students? That kind of sounds illegal.

Oh good grief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So explain it to me like I’m three. How will any of this help to “diversify” the schools. You look at the map and what makes sense is to move the northern half of WJ up to Woodward and then the northern part of Bradley hills and burning tree up to fill some of the void left in WJ. And maybe shift some of the western Whitman kids to church hill. But Whitman is still Whitman. It’s still primarily white and wealthy. I get the need to fill spaces in a new school, but how is the BOE going to accomplish their goal of equity within schools unless they go back to their ridiculous talk three years ago of bussing kids far distances?

I think their talk of equity, diversity, transformational change etc. is all empty rhetoric. Unfortunately, none of the members have the political courage to actually practice what they speak and make the kind of changes we need to make the school system truly equitable. Until then, they will talk the talk to score points but ultimately maintain the status quo of segregated schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But why would they move currently assigned Whitman kids to Walter Johnson? Walter Johnson is part of the overcrowding problem and Whitman is under capacity.

Because Equity. Overcrowding isn’t the problem the BOE is trying to solve for based on all of the public statements I’ve heard from them about how much of an opportunity this is to make transformational change in access, equity and diversity.

A foolish statement, given that the reason for the boundary study is that MCPS IS BUILDING A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.

Have you watched the board meetings and listened to the public statements made by board members? Nothing is being said about overcrowding. Sure, a new school needs to be filled but if that was the narrow purpose of the boundary change analysis they wouldn’t have had to include all of the schools in the analysis. When people like Dan Reed and Jill Ortman Fouse start testifying like they recently have been, no one can claim with a straight face that this analysis is anything but another bite at the redistricting apple that the board failed so miserably on just before Covid. Heck, MCPS policy requires them to prioritize demographics and equity above all else in these studies. Try to learn a bit, pay attention and catch up on some old meetings via YouTube before you start saying that folks are foolish to believe this is simply an exercise in balancing overcrowding.

This was a lie in 2019, and it is even more of a lie now.

And this response was a lame retort in 2019 and it is even more of a lame retort now. Just because the chickens came home to roost doesn’t mean you can disavow all of the effort and the actual language of the policy that states that the BOE must especially weigh demographics

Are you still posting from 2019? The rest of us have not just read the regulation, WHICH DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS, but have also followed all of the boundary studies that MCPS has done since then, WHICH HAVE NOT DONE WHAT YOU SAY THE POLICY REQUIRES.

Keep lying if you want to, but I have no idea why you would want to.

+1. It's going to be a long 2 years if people keep spreading misinformation like this.

They want to get people worked up into an anti-BoE fervor to help push through extreme-right candidates like how Youngkin got elected in VA. If were to guess, these are coordinated activist groups doing this intentionally with the hope of making similar gains in MD with the same tactics.

+1 because we all know that the road to electing a MAGA Republican governor of Maryland starts with posts on an anonymous message board about hyper local school attendance issues in MoCo!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But why would they move currently assigned Whitman kids to Walter Johnson? Walter Johnson is part of the overcrowding problem and Whitman is under capacity.

Because Equity. Overcrowding isn’t the problem the BOE is trying to solve for based on all of the public statements I’ve heard from them about how much of an opportunity this is to make transformational change in access, equity and diversity.

A foolish statement, given that the reason for the boundary study is that MCPS IS BUILDING A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.

Have you watched the board meetings and listened to the public statements made by board members? Nothing is being said about overcrowding. Sure, a new school needs to be filled but if that was the narrow purpose of the boundary change analysis they wouldn’t have had to include all of the schools in the analysis. When people like Dan Reed and Jill Ortman Fouse start testifying like they recently have been, no one can claim with a straight face that this analysis is anything but another bite at the redistricting apple that the board failed so miserably on just before Covid. Heck, MCPS policy requires them to prioritize demographics and equity above all else in these studies. Try to learn a bit, pay attention and catch up on some old meetings via YouTube before you start saying that folks are foolish to believe this is simply an exercise in balancing overcrowding.

This was a lie in 2019, and it is even more of a lie now.

And this response was a lame retort in 2019 and it is even more of a lame retort now. Just because the chickens came home to roost doesn’t mean you can disavow all of the effort and the actual language of the policy that states that the BOE must especially weigh demographics

Are you still posting from 2019? The rest of us have not just read the regulation, WHICH DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS, but have also followed all of the boundary studies that MCPS has done since then, WHICH HAVE NOT DONE WHAT YOU SAY THE POLICY REQUIRES.

Keep lying if you want to, but I have no idea why you would want to.

+1. It's going to be a long 2 years if people keep spreading misinformation like this.

They want to get people worked up into an anti-BoE fervor to help push through extreme-right candidates like how Youngkin got elected in VA. If were to guess, these are coordinated activist groups doing this intentionally with the hope of making similar gains in MD with the same tactics.

+1 because we all know that the road to electing a MAGA Republican governor of Maryland starts with posts on an anonymous message board about hyper local school attendance issues in MoCo!

You gotta start somewhere, and the somewhere many groups have started with is the local board of education. They haven't succeeded here yet, and I hope they continue to not succeed, but that doesn't stop them from keeping on trying to do it.