UChicago vs Wake Forest

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is the superior school, by a matter of magnitudes.

Because US News told you so? Wake is an stellar school, with far superior weather and 1000x safer surroundings than the Chicago warzone UofC is in.

Yes, but also because of the number of Nobel laureates in UChicago (at least 94) compared with 0 (?) in Wake Forest.

I hate hearing parents talkginna iut Nobel laureates. You know that in academics, they don’t give you the award until like at least ten years after your significant work. These laureates are old and non teaching. When they reached, they don’t teach intro classes.

And Chicago is better? Why the ranking said so?

Oh yeah, economics. Well, only the ftad program mattered.

So go to Wake Forest, have a good time and if you have beef left in you, go to graduate school. Otherwise, go enjoy cold, windy, crime centered, and super competitive and needy place called UChicago, because youth is wasted if you don’t spend every minute in studying.

Chicago has one of the strongest set of social science departments in the world. Economics for undergrads = Top 4. Political science for undergrads = Top 10. Psychology = Top 15.

And regardless of whether they're Nobel Laureates or not, the "big named" professors DO teach at Chicago.

“Top” according to who? Nobody in real life gives a damn about undergrad program ranks. Most people have never even heard of UChicago. You sound like a College Confidential lunatic. High off your own supply, parroting the same pointless talking points for years on end.

Um, ok....

Top according to any list of rankings you can find? I don't care if you don't like Chicago or not, but it is absolutely the case that the College is strong in the social sciences and some people do care about that.

There is no evidence anywhere that anyone gives a damn about what rank depts are at the undergrad level. Chicago’s ROI and 10 yr earnings are God awful.

[Anonymous]

I know a uchicago that majored in Econs last year and still unemployed.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is the superior school, by a matter of magnitudes.

Because US News told you so? Wake is an stellar school, with far superior weather and 1000x safer surroundings than the Chicago warzone UofC is in.

Yes, but also because of the number of Nobel laureates in UChicago (at least 94) compared with 0 (?) in Wake Forest.

I hate hearing parents talkginna iut Nobel laureates. You know that in academics, they don’t give you the award until like at least ten years after your significant work. These laureates are old and non teaching. When they reached, they don’t teach intro classes.

And Chicago is better? Why the ranking said so?

Oh yeah, economics. Well, only the ftad program mattered.

So go to Wake Forest, have a good time and if you have beef left in you, go to graduate school. Otherwise, go enjoy cold, windy, crime centered, and super competitive and needy place called UChicago, because youth is wasted if you don’t spend every minute in studying.

Chicago has one of the strongest set of social science departments in the world. Economics for undergrads = Top 4. Political science for undergrads = Top 10. Psychology = Top 15.

And regardless of whether they're Nobel Laureates or not, the "big named" professors DO teach at Chicago.

“Top” according to who? Nobody in real life gives a damn about undergrad program ranks. Most people have never even heard of UChicago. You sound like a College Confidential lunatic. High off your own supply, parroting the same pointless talking points for years on end.

Um, ok....

Top according to any list of rankings you can find? I don't care if you don't like Chicago or not, but it is absolutely the case that the College is strong in the social sciences and some people do care about that.

There is no evidence anywhere that anyone gives a damn about what rank depts are at the undergrad level. Chicago’s ROI and 10 yr earnings are God awful.

No one cares about the NUMBER for a department, sure, but people absolutely do care about the prestige of a department as you can see by other peoples response to this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is the superior school, by a matter of magnitudes.

Because US News told you so? Wake is an stellar school, with far superior weather and 1000x safer surroundings than the Chicago warzone UofC is in.

Yes, but also because of the number of Nobel laureates in UChicago (at least 94) compared with 0 (?) in Wake Forest.

I hate hearing parents talkginna iut Nobel laureates. You know that in academics, they don’t give you the award until like at least ten years after your significant work. These laureates are old and non teaching. When they reached, they don’t teach intro classes.

And Chicago is better? Why the ranking said so?

Oh yeah, economics. Well, only the ftad program mattered.

So go to Wake Forest, have a good time and if you have beef left in you, go to graduate school. Otherwise, go enjoy cold, windy, crime centered, and super competitive and needy place called UChicago, because youth is wasted if you don’t spend every minute in studying.

Chicago has one of the strongest set of social science departments in the world. Economics for undergrads = Top 4. Political science for undergrads = Top 10. Psychology = Top 15.

And regardless of whether they're Nobel Laureates or not, the "big named" professors DO teach at Chicago.

“Top” according to who? Nobody in real life gives a damn about undergrad program ranks. Most people have never even heard of UChicago. You sound like a College Confidential lunatic. High off your own supply, parroting the same pointless talking points for years on end.

Um, ok....

Top according to any list of rankings you can find? I don't care if you don't like Chicago or not, but it is absolutely the case that the College is strong in the social sciences and some people do care about that.

There is no evidence anywhere that anyone gives a damn about what rank depts are at the undergrad level. Chicago’s ROI and 10 yr earnings are God awful.

No one cares about the NUMBER for a department, sure, but people absolutely do care about the prestige of a department as you can see by other peoples response to this thread.

The "best" UChicago undergrad program is economics and nobody is breaking the door down to give all of them 100K-plus bonus job offers. Only the tippy top 3.8-3.0 GPA econ kids with perfectly curated resumes are getting 100K-plus bonus jobs. The rest are getting normal 60K and 65K job offers open to any other college kid at Depaul to UMD to UVA. Same for all the other random depts you claim are top 15 or whatever. Nobody freaking cares.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is the superior school, by a matter of magnitudes.

Because you went to both?

They're in the same tier. Both full of smart rich kids. The end.

They are not in the same tier.

Wake Forest is UVA/UNC tier, but wealthier by magnitudes.

Chicago is for students who didn't get into HYPS due to not having a legacy/sports/leadership/affirmative action hook.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the major?

This is OP. Pre-Law, Economics, Poly-Sci, Government, International Affairs - along those lines.

Easily U. Chicago. Chicago is historically dominant in Economics, has one of the best law schools in the country (although I doubt Pre-law is a major), and is probably strong in the remaining social sciences as well.

I can imagine someone picking Wake Forest but on social life alone. It's Southern, Greek Life dominant, etc. etc. Meaning you have to not only be a wealthy WASP, but a wealthy Southern WASP. Wealthy WASP from DC suburbs does not count.

In addition to clueless, you sound racist. Sounds like you have some deep issues with Christian people.

How exactly?

WASP generally means Protestants, but in the case of the South, it specifically means Southern Baptist. Meaning being Catholic is obviously not okay, but even say Episcopalian Protestant is not sufficient.

So the Southern WASPs are the ones that have problems with Christians who they don't consider to be sufficiently Christian.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the major?

This is OP. Pre-Law, Economics, Poly-Sci, Government, International Affairs - along those lines.

Easily U. Chicago. Chicago is historically dominant in Economics, has one of the best law schools in the country (although I doubt Pre-law is a major), and is probably strong in the remaining social sciences as well.

I can imagine someone picking Wake Forest but on social life alone. It's Southern, Greek Life dominant, etc. etc. Meaning you have to not only be a wealthy WASP, but a wealthy Southern WASP. Wealthy WASP from DC suburbs does not count.

In addition to clueless, you sound racist. Sounds like you have some deep issues with Christian people.

How exactly?

WASP generally means Protestants, but in the case of the South, it specifically means Southern Baptist. Meaning being Catholic is obviously not okay, but even say Episcopalian Protestant is not sufficient.

So the Southern WASPs are the ones that have problems with Christians who they don't consider to be sufficiently Christian.

Deep South native here. Let me assure you that WASP in the south are not Southern Baptists. They’re the Presbyterians, the ones with money. There’s a serious class line between sects of Protestantism.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UChicago is the superior school, by a matter of magnitudes.

Because US News told you so? Wake is an stellar school, with far superior weather and 1000x safer surroundings than the Chicago warzone UofC is in.

Yes, but also because of the number of Nobel laureates in UChicago (at least 94) compared with 0 (?) in Wake Forest.

I hate hearing parents talkginna iut Nobel laureates. You know that in academics, they don’t give you the award until like at least ten years after your significant work. These laureates are old and non teaching. When they reached, they don’t teach intro classes.

And Chicago is better? Why the ranking said so?

Oh yeah, economics. Well, only the ftad program mattered.

So go to Wake Forest, have a good time and if you have beef left in you, go to graduate school. Otherwise, go enjoy cold, windy, crime centered, and super competitive and needy place called UChicago, because youth is wasted if you don’t spend every minute in studying.

Chicago has one of the strongest set of social science departments in the world. Economics for undergrads = Top 4. Political science for undergrads = Top 10. Psychology = Top 15.

And regardless of whether they're Nobel Laureates or not, the "big named" professors DO teach at Chicago.

“Top” according to who? Nobody in real life gives a damn about undergrad program ranks. Most people have never even heard of UChicago. You sound like a College Confidential lunatic. High off your own supply, parroting the same pointless talking points for years on end.

Um, ok....

Top according to any list of rankings you can find? I don't care if you don't like Chicago or not, but it is absolutely the case that the College is strong in the social sciences and some people do care about that.

There is no evidence anywhere that anyone gives a damn about what rank depts are at the undergrad level. Chicago’s ROI and 10 yr earnings are God awful.

No one cares about the NUMBER for a department, sure, but people absolutely do care about the prestige of a department as you can see by other peoples response to this thread.

The "best" UChicago undergrad program is economics and nobody is breaking the door down to give all of them 100K-plus bonus job offers. Only the tippy top 3.8-3.0 GPA econ kids with perfectly curated resumes are getting 100K-plus bonus jobs. The rest are getting normal 60K and 65K job offers open to any other college kid at Depaul to UMD to UVA. Same for all the other random depts you claim are top 15 or whatever. Nobody freaking cares.

I feel like this is a you problem, not a Chicago problem.

Anyway, OP, I think you've gotten some good feedback. What did your kid pick?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the major?

This is OP. Pre-Law, Economics, Poly-Sci, Government, International Affairs - along those lines.

Easily U. Chicago. Chicago is historically dominant in Economics, has one of the best law schools in the country (although I doubt Pre-law is a major), and is probably strong in the remaining social sciences as well.

I can imagine someone picking Wake Forest but on social life alone. It's Southern, Greek Life dominant, etc. etc. Meaning you have to not only be a wealthy WASP, but a wealthy Southern WASP. Wealthy WASP from DC suburbs does not count.

Why don't you go mask off and say what you REALLY mean: You are a bigot who hates gentiles.

This has nothing to do with being a "gentile", it's a basic fact regarding social life in a wealthy Southern school.

The only benefit that Wake offers over Chicago is the social life, more particularly Greek Life. However to experience the fullest extent of social life that Wake offers, one must be a wealthy Southern WASP. Most preferably, the "P" meaning Southern Baptist.

This is the general reality, and to point it out is not bigoted against "gentiles". If anything it's the socially exclusionary practices that are bigoted against the vast majority of "gentiles" who don't fit into the particular demographic of wealthy - Southern - white - Anglo-Saxon (in claim) - Southern Baptist.

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I think a lot of the views posted here about Wake Forest are pretty outdated.
My child does not attend but spent some time on campus and thought it was great. Excellent business school, amazing campus, great sports but most of all DC thought the kids at Wake seemed genuinely happy.
Apparently they work hard too. Not a walk in the park.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of the views posted here about Wake Forest are pretty outdated.
My child does not attend but spent some time on campus and thought it was great. Excellent business school, amazing campus, great sports but most of all DC thought the kids at Wake seemed genuinely happy.
Apparently they work hard too. Not a walk in the park.

+1
Also wake forest has a reputation for grade deflation

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It's not the case that nobody gives a damn about how undergrad programs rank. Employers often do. A UChicago grad with a major in economics will be looked upon differently from a WF grad with the same major, for instance. It would be patently false that most people have never even heard of UChicago. Even my friends and family outside the country have heard of it, and hold the university in high esteem.

The people that matter know about U. Chicago - employers at top firms and admissions at graduate, law, medical and business schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the major?

This is OP. Pre-Law, Economics, Poly-Sci, Government, International Affairs - along those lines.

Easily U. Chicago. Chicago is historically dominant in Economics, has one of the best law schools in the country (although I doubt Pre-law is a major), and is probably strong in the remaining social sciences as well.

I can imagine someone picking Wake Forest but on social life alone. It's Southern, Greek Life dominant, etc. etc. Meaning you have to not only be a wealthy WASP, but a wealthy Southern WASP. Wealthy WASP from DC suburbs does not count.

Why don't you go mask off and say what you REALLY mean: You are a bigot who hates gentiles.

This has nothing to do with being a "gentile", it's a basic fact regarding social life in a wealthy Southern school.

The only benefit that Wake offers over Chicago is the social life, more particularly Greek Life. However to experience the fullest extent of social life that Wake offers, one must be a wealthy Southern WASP. Most preferably, the "P" meaning Southern Baptist.

This is the general reality, and to point it out is not bigoted against "gentiles". If anything it's the socially exclusionary practices that are bigoted against the vast majority of "gentiles" who don't fit into the particular demographic of wealthy - Southern - white - Anglo-Saxon (in claim) - Southern Baptist.

Y’all. Please. The Southern Baptists are not the upper class Southerners. The rich Southerners look down at the Southern Baptists. The Southern class system is very English-/Indian-style. Intricate and brutal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is the superior school, by a matter of magnitudes.

Because US News told you so? Wake is an stellar school, with far superior weather and 1000x safer surroundings than the Chicago warzone UofC is in.

Yes, but also because of the number of Nobel laureates in UChicago (at least 94) compared with 0 (?) in Wake Forest.

I hate hearing parents talkginna iut Nobel laureates. You know that in academics, they don’t give you the award until like at least ten years after your significant work. These laureates are old and non teaching. When they reached, they don’t teach intro classes.

And Chicago is better? Why the ranking said so?

Oh yeah, economics. Well, only the ftad program mattered.

So go to Wake Forest, have a good time and if you have beef left in you, go to graduate school. Otherwise, go enjoy cold, windy, crime centered, and super competitive and needy place called UChicago, because youth is wasted if you don’t spend every minute in studying.

Chicago has one of the strongest set of social science departments in the world. Economics for undergrads = Top 4. Political science for undergrads = Top 10. Psychology = Top 15.

And regardless of whether they're Nobel Laureates or not, the "big named" professors DO teach at Chicago.

Yes they teach, but they are often among the worst profs… (yes I went there)

Honestly, uchicago is brutal academically. Compared to my friends, only caltech and mit are in the same league. Probably the best PhD prep university in the US. I knew one kid who went to wake. Sounded like he had a lot more party time than I did. Though for wake’s price - I’d rather just go to a true SEC school. Clemson sounds more fun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is the superior school, by a matter of magnitudes.

Because US News told you so? Wake is an stellar school, with far superior weather and 1000x safer surroundings than the Chicago warzone UofC is in.

Yes, but also because of the number of Nobel laureates in UChicago (at least 94) compared with 0 (?) in Wake Forest.

I hate hearing parents talkginna iut Nobel laureates. You know that in academics, they don’t give you the award until like at least ten years after your significant work. These laureates are old and non teaching. When they reached, they don’t teach intro classes.

And Chicago is better? Why the ranking said so?

Oh yeah, economics. Well, only the ftad program mattered.

So go to Wake Forest, have a good time and if you have beef left in you, go to graduate school. Otherwise, go enjoy cold, windy, crime centered, and super competitive and needy place called UChicago, because youth is wasted if you don’t spend every minute in studying.

Chicago has one of the strongest set of social science departments in the world. Economics for undergrads = Top 4. Political science for undergrads = Top 10. Psychology = Top 15.

And regardless of whether they're Nobel Laureates or not, the "big named" professors DO teach at Chicago.

“Top” according to who? Nobody in real life gives a damn about undergrad program ranks. Most people have never even heard of UChicago. You sound like a College Confidential lunatic. High off your own supply, parroting the same pointless talking points for years on end.

Um, ok....

Top according to any list of rankings you can find? I don't care if you don't like Chicago or not, but it is absolutely the case that the College is strong in the social sciences and some people do care about that.

There is no evidence anywhere that anyone gives a damn about what rank depts are at the undergrad level. Chicago’s ROI and 10 yr earnings are God awful.

No one cares about the NUMBER for a department, sure, but people absolutely do care about the prestige of a department as you can see by other peoples response to this thread.

The "best" UChicago undergrad program is economics and nobody is breaking the door down to give all of them 100K-plus bonus job offers. Only the tippy top 3.8-3.0 GPA econ kids with perfectly curated resumes are getting 100K-plus bonus jobs. The rest are getting normal 60K and 65K job offers open to any other college kid at Depaul to UMD to UVA. Same for all the other random depts you claim are top 15 or whatever. Nobody freaking cares.

Recruiters from top finance and consulting firms do not look at the GPA for students from schools like HYPS and Chicago. The school itself is there filter.

What you say regarding 3.8+ GPA filter for Econ majors is certainly true for students from UVA, UNC, and Wake though.