The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

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Anonymous wrote:They don't care about women. They don't care about kids. They only care about unborn babies.

They care about controlling women, and punishing women for having sex. Period.

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"You control your body, how can anyone force you to get pregnant? Quit claiming you are a slave. There are millions of actual slaves in the world, mostly women and children in 3rd world and underdeveloped countries, comparing yourself to them is wrong and gross. You can control your reproductive life and no one can force you to become pregnant. Hysterical propaganda, grow up. White UMC women are the most extra and weird people ever. "

You've never heard of rape or trafficking? Don't tell me you are one of those oafs who thinks "the body shuts itself down." Plenty of privileged White women get pregnant through rape. Some thing like 25% of women have had non consentual sex.

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Anonymous wrote:They don't care about women. They don't care about kids. They only care about unborn babies.

They care about controlling women, and punishing women for having sex. Period.

We feminists ain’t in the dark ages no more. It’s called “birth control”. Check it out.

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Anonymous wrote:They don't care about women. They don't care about kids. They only care about unborn babies.

They care about controlling women, and punishing women for having sex. Period.

We feminists ain’t in the dark ages no more. It’s called “birth control”. Check it out.

Birth control fails all the time. Check it out.

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But because Republicans are the most uterine-obsessed people in the world, some forced birth politics in the news just recently:
The Texas forced birth/punishing women because we hate them law is beginning to work as planned to punish women for existing. Sepsis wards, here we come!: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/28/1083536401/texas-abortion-law-6-months

This story is utterly horrifying. I've actually been avoiding political discourse for a while because life has been a real ass-kicker for the past few years...so I didn't keep up with politics because I literally did not have the mental bandwidth to handle it.

But seriously, this is a life or death situation for our society. Or we'll end up like the Taliban.

It is horrifying. But that's what every pro birther gets off on.

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OP.

I think the forced birth ghouls who have posted on here have demonstrated amply that they hate women. All they’ve posted have been lies, insults, forced birth propaganda, attempts to derail the thread, etc.

Vote Democratic. Give to pro choice candidates and causes because the GOP is shoving us into the swamp of misogynistic extremism. Those of us who are older and wealthier (and White; can’t forget that these laws would absolutely be enforced unevenly) would escape the worst effects. Our poorer and definitely our minority sisters will not be so lucky and it will have devastating effects on their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know of a good lawyer to follow on Twitter about the abortion fight? I follow Marc Elias for info on voting rights lawsuits and it makes me feel so much better to hear from someone "in the trenches" actually doing something. Anyone similar for abortion lawsuits?

Imani Gandy (though she does insist on using the tedious “pregnant people”) https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor and Jessica Mason Pieklo https://twitter.com/Hegemommy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

At first I found “pregnant people” tedious, but a shocking number on the right wing actually need reminders that cis/straight women are, in fact, people, as opposed to hosts for the glorious, God-sustained fetus. To say nothing of the folks that don’t identify as women. So I’m ok with it. Pregnant humans, citizens that are pregnant, humans that are actively sustaining potential humans by their blood and organs, whatever it takes.

Potential human? A human is a human. Nothing on earth changes from non-human to human.

No. Stop it.

It is not equal to the women carrying it.

WOMEN FIRST!

all humans are equal

Nothing is human until it is born. If it can't survive on its own it is not human.

A 6 month old baby is born and can’t survive on his or her own. A born toddler or preschool child is born but can’t survive on his or her own. Apparently according to dcum baby killers, those children aren’t human.

A baby inside it’s mom is a human in early stages of development. Thread calling people monsters is really monsters openly admitting they don’t feel babies aren’t human and are ok with killing them. Sick people here.

Adult humans on life support can’t survive on his or her own, do they lose the human classification during that time? What about children that mature into adults but are born with physical or mental disabilities and will never be able to care for themselves? Are they human?

You are just being purposely stupid.

If it can't live without a host, by definition it is a parasite. I am not required to give over my body to anyone else for it to survive.

Calling the preborn parasites reveals a lack of scientific understanding.

First, the fetus is the same type of organism as the mother. Parasites are different organisms which latch on to another species, causing it harm.

Second, parasites are not where they belong, but the preborn child is precisely where it is supposed to be. The natural changes that take place in the woman’s body to make room for this new little human do not damage her body. Although there may be challenges in being pregnant, they are in no way legitimately comparable to the damage and harm a parasite does to another organism.

For many years, it was thought that pregnant women have suppressed immune function, but a review paper published by an OBGYN specializing in Reproductive Immunology discusses how this dated viewpoint is not scientifically correct.

Additionally, fetal stem cells are known to travel to sites of damage or injury in the mother, and mothers with a weakened heart, for example, get fetal stem cells which travel to their hearts and turn into cardiac cells, helping strengthen the mother’s heart.

In contrast, the parasitic latching on to another organism does not help the host and there is no mutual sharing of benefits.

Finally, the relationship of the preborn to the mother is a healthy, beneficial, and natural one. That is not true of a parasitic relationship.

As Dr. Staff aptly points out, “It all boils down to the fact that parent and child have a common goal: the child’s survival. Host and parasite, on the other hand, have a fundamental disagreement about the desirability of the parasite’s survival.”

Speaking about parasites, the Center for Disease Control makes a notable distinction between the preborn and parasites stating “Pregnant women often need special consideration when being treated for parasitic diseases in order to avoid harm to the fetus, especially during the first trimester.”

Really should understand basic science if you are going to use it to try to boost your optics when killing babies. Also, having a difficult or challenging pregnancy doesn’t give you a free pass to kill babies.

As a prolife person, what do you think of proposed bill in MO to ban abortion even for ectopic pregnancy?

NP. Oh, but you see, that ectopic embryo BELONGS there. God put it there!

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Anonymous wrote:They don't care about women. They don't care about kids. They only care about unborn babies.

They care about controlling women, and punishing women for having sex. Period.

We feminists ain’t in the dark ages no more. It’s called “birth control”. Check it out.

And Missouri’s knuckle dragging law: what good does “birth control” do when you’re trying to have a baby?

What kind of sick kink makes Republicans find emotional and physical release in punishing women?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know of a good lawyer to follow on Twitter about the abortion fight? I follow Marc Elias for info on voting rights lawsuits and it makes me feel so much better to hear from someone "in the trenches" actually doing something. Anyone similar for abortion lawsuits?

Imani Gandy (though she does insist on using the tedious “pregnant people”) https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor and Jessica Mason Pieklo https://twitter.com/Hegemommy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

At first I found “pregnant people” tedious, but a shocking number on the right wing actually need reminders that cis/straight women are, in fact, people, as opposed to hosts for the glorious, God-sustained fetus. To say nothing of the folks that don’t identify as women. So I’m ok with it. Pregnant humans, citizens that are pregnant, humans that are actively sustaining potential humans by their blood and organs, whatever it takes.

Potential human? A human is a human. Nothing on earth changes from non-human to human.

No. Stop it.

It is not equal to the women carrying it.

WOMEN FIRST!

all humans are equal

Nothing is human until it is born. If it can't survive on its own it is not human.

A 6 month old baby is born and can’t survive on his or her own. A born toddler or preschool child is born but can’t survive on his or her own. Apparently according to dcum baby killers, those children aren’t human.

A baby inside it’s mom is a human in early stages of development. Thread calling people monsters is really monsters openly admitting they don’t feel babies aren’t human and are ok with killing them. Sick people here.

Adult humans on life support can’t survive on his or her own, do they lose the human classification during that time? What about children that mature into adults but are born with physical or mental disabilities and will never be able to care for themselves? Are they human?

You are just being purposely stupid.

If it can't live without a host, by definition it is a parasite. I am not required to give over my body to anyone else for it to survive.

Calling the preborn parasites reveals a lack of scientific understanding.

First, the fetus is the same type of organism as the mother. Parasites are different organisms which latch on to another species, causing it harm.

Second, parasites are not where they belong, but the preborn child is precisely where it is supposed to be. The natural changes that take place in the woman’s body to make room for this new little human do not damage her body. Although there may be challenges in being pregnant, they are in no way legitimately comparable to the damage and harm a parasite does to another organism.

For many years, it was thought that pregnant women have suppressed immune function, but a review paper published by an OBGYN specializing in Reproductive Immunology discusses how this dated viewpoint is not scientifically correct.

Additionally, fetal stem cells are known to travel to sites of damage or injury in the mother, and mothers with a weakened heart, for example, get fetal stem cells which travel to their hearts and turn into cardiac cells, helping strengthen the mother’s heart.

In contrast, the parasitic latching on to another organism does not help the host and there is no mutual sharing of benefits.

Finally, the relationship of the preborn to the mother is a healthy, beneficial, and natural one. That is not true of a parasitic relationship.

As Dr. Staff aptly points out, “It all boils down to the fact that parent and child have a common goal: the child’s survival. Host and parasite, on the other hand, have a fundamental disagreement about the desirability of the parasite’s survival.”

Speaking about parasites, the Center for Disease Control makes a notable distinction between the preborn and parasites stating “Pregnant women often need special consideration when being treated for parasitic diseases in order to avoid harm to the fetus, especially during the first trimester.”

Really should understand basic science if you are going to use it to try to boost your optics when killing babies. Also, having a difficult or challenging pregnancy doesn’t give you a free pass to kill babies.

NP here. My mom is a neonatologist and also generally anti-choice except for medical/health considerations. In other words, she'd support my getting an abortion at any point if I had cancer and needed radiation therapy, but she wouldn't support it if I didn't want to raise the baby for financial or emotional reasons. She says that the best way to think about a fetus is as a parasite. This is a person who devoted her life to caring for pre-term infants.

Abortion is a question of morals and values. Medical science cannot answer those questions for us. My mom's line is much stricter than mine, but we both believe in/understand the same set of facts. Her reason for holding her views about abortion is in no way informed by what she knows of medicine; they are informed by her religious beliefs. I myself have grown up around and spent a lot of time as a volunteer in NICUs, and I also would not personally choose to have an abortion for any non-medical reason. And I also am an outspoken advocate for reproductive rights, because I know that my values and circumstances are different from others. And no one has the right to force anyone to donate their body to sustain another being.

Whatever beliefs and values you want to have, at least be honest about the underlying facts. Nothing makes me angrier than people bringing medical science, in particular advances in neonatal medicine, into abortion politics. If a single one of them has done what I've done, volunteer to sit in a private room near a NICU with a baby who was taken off of any life support so that he would never be alone in his final days on earth, then maybe I'll listen.

Your mom can have her own opinion, but not her own facts. A developing human inside his or her mom isn’t a parasite.

Way to miss the point completely. It must be difficult to be so obtuse. Though, somehow, I think you are not actually so obtuse...only willfully so.

Facts are facts. If you can’t accept that then you have no business making any “points.”

The pregnant woman comes first. Nothing else matters. You won't enslave us, forced birther.

You control your body, how can anyone force you to get pregnant? Quit claiming you are a slave. There are millions of actual slaves in the world, mostly women and children in 3rd world and underdeveloped countries, comparing yourself to them is wrong and gross. You can control your reproductive life and no one can force you to become pregnant. Hysterical propaganda, grow up. White UMC women are the most extra and weird people ever.

Did you just say that out loud? Twice?

[Anonymous]

You control your body, how can anyone force you to get pregnant? Quit claiming you are a slave. There are millions of actual slaves in the world, mostly women and children in 3rd world and underdeveloped countries, comparing yourself to them is wrong and gross. You can control your reproductive life and no one can force you to become pregnant. Hysterical propaganda, grow up. White UMC women are the most extra and weird people ever.

^^ You are a psycho.

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As Rachel said to Joey and Ross in the hospital scene: "No uterus, no opinion."

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Anonymous wrote:As Rachel said to Joey and Ross in the hospital scene: "No uterus, no opinion."

Half the people who support this horrific policy of religiously-based punishment of women are women. It’s not even that. Too many women are excited to put their boot on a fellow woman’s neck, even if the boot wearer has herself availed herself of abortion. No matter the circumstances, forced birth women who have abortions are always convinced that their abortion was worthy, necessary, right. It’s a hypocrisy and an internalized misogyny and we need, culturally, to get beyond it. OP.

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Anonymous wrote:As Rachel said to Joey and Ross in the hospital scene: "No uterus, no opinion."

Half the people who support this horrific policy of religiously-based punishment of women are women. It’s not even that. Too many women are excited to put their boot on a fellow woman’s neck, even if the boot wearer has herself availed herself of abortion. No matter the circumstances, forced birth women who have abortions are always convinced that their abortion was worthy, necessary, right. It’s a hypocrisy and an internalized misogyny and we need, culturally, to get beyond it. OP.

And that idiot woman Amy on the Supreme Court is the leader of the thugs.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know of a good lawyer to follow on Twitter about the abortion fight? I follow Marc Elias for info on voting rights lawsuits and it makes me feel so much better to hear from someone "in the trenches" actually doing something. Anyone similar for abortion lawsuits?

Imani Gandy (though she does insist on using the tedious “pregnant people”) https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor and Jessica Mason Pieklo https://twitter.com/Hegemommy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

At first I found “pregnant people” tedious, but a shocking number on the right wing actually need reminders that cis/straight women are, in fact, people, as opposed to hosts for the glorious, God-sustained fetus. To say nothing of the folks that don’t identify as women. So I’m ok with it. Pregnant humans, citizens that are pregnant, humans that are actively sustaining potential humans by their blood and organs, whatever it takes.

Potential human? A human is a human. Nothing on earth changes from non-human to human.

No. Stop it.

It is not equal to the women carrying it.

WOMEN FIRST!

all humans are equal

Nothing is human until it is born. If it can't survive on its own it is not human.

A 6 month old baby is born and can’t survive on his or her own. A born toddler or preschool child is born but can’t survive on his or her own. Apparently according to dcum baby killers, those children aren’t human.

A baby inside it’s mom is a human in early stages of development. Thread calling people monsters is really monsters openly admitting they don’t feel babies aren’t human and are ok with killing them. Sick people here.

Adult humans on life support can’t survive on his or her own, do they lose the human classification during that time? What about children that mature into adults but are born with physical or mental disabilities and will never be able to care for themselves? Are they human?

You are just being purposely stupid.

If it can't live without a host, by definition it is a parasite. I am not required to give over my body to anyone else for it to survive.

I'm pro-Shiite but you are a vile human being. Growing a child inside of you is an incredible gift we are given and blessed to be able to do. It is not a parasite. I look at my daughter in wonder and think how is this possible, she's so perfect. A billion things have to go right for her to be here like this....it's a wonder of science and a blessing from God.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know of a good lawyer to follow on Twitter about the abortion fight? I follow Marc Elias for info on voting rights lawsuits and it makes me feel so much better to hear from someone "in the trenches" actually doing something. Anyone similar for abortion lawsuits?

Imani Gandy (though she does insist on using the tedious “pregnant people”) https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor and Jessica Mason Pieklo https://twitter.com/Hegemommy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

At first I found “pregnant people” tedious, but a shocking number on the right wing actually need reminders that cis/straight women are, in fact, people, as opposed to hosts for the glorious, God-sustained fetus. To say nothing of the folks that don’t identify as women. So I’m ok with it. Pregnant humans, citizens that are pregnant, humans that are actively sustaining potential humans by their blood and organs, whatever it takes.

Potential human? A human is a human. Nothing on earth changes from non-human to human.

No. Stop it.

It is not equal to the women carrying it.

WOMEN FIRST!

all humans are equal

Nothing is human until it is born. If it can't survive on its own it is not human.

A 6 month old baby is born and can’t survive on his or her own. A born toddler or preschool child is born but can’t survive on his or her own. Apparently according to dcum baby killers, those children aren’t human.

A baby inside it’s mom is a human in early stages of development. Thread calling people monsters is really monsters openly admitting they don’t feel babies aren’t human and are ok with killing them. Sick people here.

Adult humans on life support can’t survive on his or her own, do they lose the human classification during that time? What about children that mature into adults but are born with physical or mental disabilities and will never be able to care for themselves? Are they human?

You are just being purposely stupid.

If it can't live without a host, by definition it is a parasite. I am not required to give over my body to anyone else for it to survive.

I'm pro-Shiite but you are a vile human being. Growing a child inside of you is an incredible gift we are given and blessed to be able to do. It is not a parasite. I look at my daughter in wonder and think how is this possible, she's so perfect. A billion things have to go right for her to be here like this....it's a wonder of science and a blessing from God.

Call me whatever you like.

It’s a gift if you are ready for it. If not it's a form of torture.

Sex is like this as well. If it's done willingly it is a wondrous thing. But forced gainst your will it's monstrous.