General Milley

[Anonymous]

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Milley defended the Constitution he was sworn to defend. He is a hero.

You need to read the Constitution.

No right wing nuts jobs like yourself have to actually read and understand the Constitution.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but this thread will not get much attention. What the General did was so bad and he should be arrested and face a court martial. Biden and the DOD OIG will not do anything to him due to the other dumpster fires the administration has going now. If he had any honor left, he would resign.

The topic of this thread is under discussion in like half a dozen other threads, so perhaps it doesn’t need any attention. But what I will give attention to is that OP is only calling this treason because Trump told his cult minions to call it that.

...and you are only defending it because it wasn't done to Biden.

Modern American politics in a nutshell.

The difference between Dems and Rs is that Dems would not support Biden if he did this. We don't follow our leader blindly into the depths of hell.

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When you join the military, you DO NOT swear allegiance or loyalty to the President. The President may nominally be Commander In Chief but there are checks and balances to keep the President from having unlimited control via the military. When you join the military, you swear an oath, to uphold the Constitution and to protect America from enemies, both foreign and and that includes preventing unlawful orders from being executed.
What Milley did was RIGHT.

Nope. There are checks and balances and Milley did not follow them.

Former acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller, who led the Pentagon from the period after the 2020 election through Inauguration Day, said that he "did not and would not ever authorize" Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley to have "secret" calls with his Chinese counterpart, describing the allegations as a "disgraceful and unprecedented act of insubordination," and calling on him to resign "immediately."

In a statement to Fox News, Miller said that the United States Armed Forces, from its inception, has "operated under the inviolable principle of civilian control of the military."

"The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the highest-ranking military officer whose sole role is providing military-specific advice to the president, and by law is prohibited from exercising executive authority to command forces," Miller said. "The chain of command runs from the President to the Secretary of Defense, not through the Chairman."

"If the reporting in Woodward’s book is accurate, it represents a disgraceful and unprecedented act of insubordination by the Nation’s top military officer," Miller said, adding that if the story of Milley’s "histrionic outbursts and unsanctioned, anti-Constitutional involvement in foreign policy prove true, he must resign immediately or be fired by the Secretary of Defense to guarantee the sanctity of the officer corps."

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Chris Miller? The guy that didnt authorize use of the DC National Guard on 1/6?

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Chris Miller, one of the loyalist kabal says what?

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[Anonymous]

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When you join the military, you DO NOT swear allegiance or loyalty to the President. The President may nominally be Commander In Chief but there are checks and balances to keep the President from having unlimited control via the military. When you join the military, you swear an oath, to uphold the Constitution and to protect America from enemies, both foreign and and that includes preventing unlawful orders from being executed.
What Milley did was RIGHT.

Nope. There are checks and balances and Milley did not follow them.

Former acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller, who led the Pentagon from the period after the 2020 election through Inauguration Day, said that he "did not and would not ever authorize" Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley to have "secret" calls with his Chinese counterpart, describing the allegations as a "disgraceful and unprecedented act of insubordination," and calling on him to resign "immediately."

In a statement to Fox News, Miller said that the United States Armed Forces, from its inception, has "operated under the inviolable principle of civilian control of the military."

"The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the highest-ranking military officer whose sole role is providing military-specific advice to the president, and by law is prohibited from exercising executive authority to command forces," Miller said. "The chain of command runs from the President to the Secretary of Defense, not through the Chairman."

"If the reporting in Woodward’s book is accurate, it represents a disgraceful and unprecedented act of insubordination by the Nation’s top military officer," Miller said, adding that if the story of Milley’s "histrionic outbursts and unsanctioned, anti-Constitutional involvement in foreign policy prove true, he must resign immediately or be fired by the Secretary of Defense to guarantee the sanctity of the officer corps."

So Miller wants to fire Milley for using Esper's backchannel communications with China?

Really.

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Anonymous wrote:Also you all keep trying to strip the context out of this.

1. The guy had just fomented a coup attempt and gone AWOL when the Capitol was attacked.
2. He had also repeatedly asked about using nuclear weapons unilaterally.
3. It had just been discovered that he went around the entire national security team and issues a secret executive order to suddenly withdraw the last 2500 of our troops from Afghanistan.
4. The guy was actively lashing out at everyone around him demanding that they overturn the election. According even to Pompeo he was in a "dark place". McConnell had to prevent the President elect from calling.
5. He held multiple meetings, with a pillow salesman and qanon supporters, around this same time to discuss the imposition of martial law.
6. Standard transition efforts were being prevented from happening.
7. Known lies were being pushed by him of electoral fraud.

If any President was doing those things then I would hope that steps would be taken to ensure that a unilateral nuclear strike order was not issued.

He also just replace the key civilian heads at DOD and DOJ.

+1 There were threads about this at the time, people were very alarmed, some prescient stuff in here.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/925986.page

As I recall, the both sides brigade was doing their best to say nothing was dangerous about any of this.

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Oh I can’t wait for Rs all of sudden to trust Vindman.

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Oh I can’t wait for Rs all of sudden to trust Vindman.

Or all the demscum to start attacking his credibility?

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Fox News: The phone calls between Milley and the Chinese general were not secret, several other people were in the room, and the Secretaries of Defense knew about them.

Fox News has learned there were about 15 people present for the phone calls, which were video teleconference calls. Sources familiar told Fox News that there were multiple notetaker present, and said the calls were both conducted with full knowledge of then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper and then-Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller.

According to the official, there was full civilian oversight of the phone calls, including a representative of the State Department, and Milley’s political adviser. Notes of the calls were taken and a summary note was sent to the Defense secretary and the intelligence community, the official said.

"This was not done like some sort of conspiratorial thing," another participant who overheard the conversation told Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/milley-calls-with-chinese-counterpart-were-not-secret-us-officials

[Anonymous]

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Oh I can’t wait for Rs all of sudden to trust Vindman.

Or all the demscum to start attacking his credibility?

Omg you’re insane and apparently have no memory past 5 minutes ago.

[Anonymous]

At least someone in the Trump orbit cared about America and a traditional peaceful transfer of power.

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Anonymous wrote:Fox News: The phone calls between Milley and the Chinese general were not secret, several other people were in the room, and the Secretaries of Defense knew about them.

Fox News has learned there were about 15 people present for the phone calls, which were video teleconference calls. Sources familiar told Fox News that there were multiple notetaker present, and said the calls were both conducted with full knowledge of then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper and then-Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller.

According to the official, there was full civilian oversight of the phone calls, including a representative of the State Department, and Milley’s political adviser. Notes of the calls were taken and a summary note was sent to the Defense secretary and the intelligence community, the official said.

"This was not done like some sort of conspiratorial thing," another participant who overheard the conversation told Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/milley-calls-with-chinese-counterpart-were-not-secret-us-officials

Chris Miller really is an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Milley is a hero.

He committed treason and colluded with the enemy.