FCV DA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we chose FCV DA:

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/tsj-fc-virginia-athletes-to-play-soccer-in-college/article_2c4925ac-111b-11ea-ad63-236901e85fe8.html

I think they do a good job at college placement, but there's a good segment of those players that were committed before moving to FCV.

Curious - where did they "move" from?

Riley McCarthy, Jasmine Hamid, Riley Melendez, and Lauren Teuschl all came from Spirit and all came already committed. Hamid is the #2 scorer.

So 3.5 starters came from another team after committing. How many others joined this team after committing?

Wow you are writing names of young kids on a public board. Have you stooped this low. Hope the op is not a disgruntled Spirit parent.
This is wrong. Shame!!

Shame? I apologize if I violated something. I can't for the life of me figure out what. Their names are in the article, the rosters are online, and they are all great players. Any program would be lucky to have them. Someone asked. I answered, but it's all public information.

If we are both reading the same DA site - you can't even copy right. Hamid is not the #2 scorer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top school in Virginia is without question UVA.

Do me favor:

Google: UVA Womens soccer roster

Now, tell me how many girls are from Virginia and where they come from (Club, HS)

You might find it eye opening and a much needed reality check

A sad fact - and one I had to show my own soccer player so she didn't get her hopes up.

26 on roster. 4 from VA (2-McLean, SOCA, Bethesda)

Wait, isn't Bethesda MD?

Congrats, but there are kids at other clubs getting offers too. That is the point. It has more to do with the player than the club.

Step 1:
Get in front of college coaches.

Step 2:
Be good at soccer.

There are lots of ways for a player to get in front of college coaches. Between ID camps as well as ECNL or DA showcase events. 4 ECNL and 3 DA clubs mean lots of places for a player to actually get meaningful minutes and be in front of college coaches whether or not the team is a winning or losing team.

Sit the bench at FCV and watch your teammates play in front of the college coaches if you want but the club name won't do a thing for you if you're not playing.

Non-DA FCV parent here. We get plenty of playing time and participate in multiple college showcases. Per PP, it's not always just about the league, sometimes there are excellent players on non-DA or non-ECNL teams.

It is about getting in front of the college coaches period. The league is one of the best vehicles for that exposure but yes it is not the only one. And it is always about the player, not the club though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

Actually, this statement is untrue. There are players who flip flop between Loudoun ECNL and FCV DA. We personally know '07 players who have switched. Can't speak to '08.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So know that we know that 99.9999999999 percent of the players at FCV will not get a YNT camp call up..lets focus our attention on college placement.

The picture in the link provided are some of the best kids on one of the best teams to have ever come through FCV. It was their hallmark group...since the days of Terry Foley and way before the creation of DA. How far back? Back when FCV was attached to SYA. Before Evergreen was built and ECNL was in its infancy.

Thats right! You are looking at girls that witnessed the dismantling of local club soccer, the destruction of WAGS, the rise of ECNL, the assault on HS soccer, age changes that ripped teams apart, new US Soccer mandates and the creation of the GDA, and the battle between ECNL and DA.

All of this.

You know what most of those kids have in common?

4.0 and higher GPAs

You know what most of those kids also have in common?

Combination of Athletic and Academic scholarship money

You know why?

Because no matter how great your kid is she will not get a full Athletic scholarship.

Now

Colleges recruit the person before the player. I can not stress that enough. Grades, work ethic, morals, values and parents are all major factors.

An athletically gifted player who destroys team chemistry is immediately knocked off the list. Too many fish in the pond.

There are approximately 900 NCAA college soccer teams. Approximately 330 or so are D1.

Now, most of the parents at the ECNL/DA level like to seperate themselves even more by saying, ¨Its not about D1. Its about the quality of the D1.¨

You see, being good enough isnt good enough. We need more sub-groups.

Here is my counter to all of that...

How much do you think the parents of the players in the aformentioned picture paid to get their kids to that level?

About as much as a college degree. So the rare parents of the rare kids getting a full ride are breaking even. The rest of us are in the negative.

Now, lets put all of that aside and focus on ¨Quality of school¨



John Hopkins and Carnegie Mellon, MIT, etc. Jobs galore waiting for those kids upon graduation.

All top tier schools with top D3 soccer programs.

Now..UVA, DUKE, UNC, Stanford, Georgetown, etc

Those are the Holy Grail of schools. Top schools with top soccer. The chances of your kid going there in small and the chance of them getting meaningful time in even smaller.

Money:

Go with the school that is giving you the cheapest path to a college degree. In state, partial scholarship. A college degree can reach A LOT after its all said and done. And honestly, its not worth it. Everyone seems to have one. A kid needs to do more then ever to set themselves apart.

I saw a girl in the picture with a NAVY shirt on. She is getting a full ride to one of the best schools in the county and upon graduation will become a Naval Officer. At the age of 26 her resume will set her apart from most if not all of her peers. She will be making six figures immediately in the private sector..with no debt.

Finally,

Go online and research the school your kid wants to attend. Research their rosters and see where the kids are coming from.

Remember, FCV loses about 18 or so players a year to graduation. Thats not even enough kids to fill the demand of the in state D1 schools. It doesnt even come close.

There are 13 D1 womens soccer schools in Virginia. With atleast 4 incoming freshman every year, thats 52

Do you still believe that you must be at FCV DA to play college?



An employer doesnt care how great your womens soccer college program was.

Please, try to keep it all in prespective.

Georgetown is the Holy Grail of Soccer? Nope. It's the Holy Grail of the Big East. Not such great soccer. It's not a very competitive conference at all for soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top school in Virginia is without question UVA.

Do me favor:

Google: UVA Womens soccer roster

Now, tell me how many girls are from Virginia and where they come from (Club, HS)

You might find it eye opening and a much needed reality check

A sad fact - and one I had to show my own soccer player so she didn't get her hopes up.

26 on roster. 4 from VA (2-McLean, SOCA, Bethesda)

Wait, isn't Bethesda MD?

Congrats, but there are kids at other clubs getting offers too. That is the point. It has more to do with the player than the club.

Step 1:
Get in front of college coaches.

Step 2:
Be good at soccer.

There are lots of ways for a player to get in front of college coaches. Between ID camps as well as ECNL or DA showcase events. 4 ECNL and 3 DA clubs mean lots of places for a player to actually get meaningful minutes and be in front of college coaches whether or not the team is a winning or losing team.

Sit the bench at FCV and watch your teammates play in front of the college coaches if you want but the club name won't do a thing for you if you're not playing.

Non-DA FCV parent here. We get plenty of playing time and participate in multiple college showcases. Per PP, it's not always just about the league, sometimes there are excellent players on non-DA or non-ECNL teams.

It is about getting in front of the college coaches period. The league is one of the best vehicles for that exposure but yes it is not the only one. And it is always about the player, not the club though.

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Actually before GDA, U13 (07s) were Pre-encl or junior ECNL so not really a movement year. Consolidation happens for recruiting and it happens during recruiting years. Are you purposely not reading the posts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So know that we know that 99.9999999999 percent of the players at FCV will not get a YNT camp call up..lets focus our attention on college placement.

The picture in the link provided are some of the best kids on one of the best teams to have ever come through FCV. It was their hallmark group...since the days of Terry Foley and way before the creation of DA. How far back? Back when FCV was attached to SYA. Before Evergreen was built and ECNL was in its infancy.

Thats right! You are looking at girls that witnessed the dismantling of local club soccer, the destruction of WAGS, the rise of ECNL, the assault on HS soccer, age changes that ripped teams apart, new US Soccer mandates and the creation of the GDA, and the battle between ECNL and DA.

All of this.

You know what most of those kids have in common?

4.0 and higher GPAs

You know what most of those kids also have in common?

Combination of Athletic and Academic scholarship money

You know why?

Because no matter how great your kid is she will not get a full Athletic scholarship.

Now

Colleges recruit the person before the player. I can not stress that enough. Grades, work ethic, morals, values and parents are all major factors.

An athletically gifted player who destroys team chemistry is immediately knocked off the list. Too many fish in the pond.

There are approximately 900 NCAA college soccer teams. Approximately 330 or so are D1.

Now, most of the parents at the ECNL/DA level like to seperate themselves even more by saying, ¨Its not about D1. Its about the quality of the D1.¨

You see, being good enough isnt good enough. We need more sub-groups.

Here is my counter to all of that...

How much do you think the parents of the players in the aformentioned picture paid to get their kids to that level?

About as much as a college degree. So the rare parents of the rare kids getting a full ride are breaking even. The rest of us are in the negative.

Now, lets put all of that aside and focus on ¨Quality of school¨



John Hopkins and Carnegie Mellon, MIT, etc. Jobs galore waiting for those kids upon graduation.

All top tier schools with top D3 soccer programs.

Now..UVA, DUKE, UNC, Stanford, Georgetown, etc

Those are the Holy Grail of schools. Top schools with top soccer. The chances of your kid going there in small and the chance of them getting meaningful time in even smaller.

Money:

Go with the school that is giving you the cheapest path to a college degree. In state, partial scholarship. A college degree can reach A LOT after its all said and done. And honestly, its not worth it. Everyone seems to have one. A kid needs to do more then ever to set themselves apart.

I saw a girl in the picture with a NAVY shirt on. She is getting a full ride to one of the best schools in the county and upon graduation will become a Naval Officer. At the age of 26 her resume will set her apart from most if not all of her peers. She will be making six figures immediately in the private sector..with no debt.

Finally,

Go online and research the school your kid wants to attend. Research their rosters and see where the kids are coming from.

Remember, FCV loses about 18 or so players a year to graduation. Thats not even enough kids to fill the demand of the in state D1 schools. It doesnt even come close.

There are 13 D1 womens soccer schools in Virginia. With atleast 4 incoming freshman every year, thats 52

Do you still believe that you must be at FCV DA to play college?



An employer doesnt care how great your womens soccer college program was.

Please, try to keep it all in prespective.

Georgetown is the Holy Grail of Soccer? Nope. It's the Holy Grail of the Big East. Not such great soccer. It's not a very competitive conference at all for soccer.

Ignorance on your part. Georgetown is a great program Big East is a top conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Actually before GDA, U13 (07s) were Pre-encl or junior ECNL so not really a movement year. Consolidation happens for recruiting and it happens during recruiting years. Are you purposely not reading the posts?

When you are in a place where you are showcasing and playing why do you care about consolidation?

Unless you are a UNT level player, of which each age group in this area there are perhaps 3 kids who would make it to a camp, what is the possible motivation to leave a club that gets the same college exposure and you are getting lots of playing time? What is there to be gained?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So know that we know that 99.9999999999 percent of the players at FCV will not get a YNT camp call up..lets focus our attention on college placement.

The picture in the link provided are some of the best kids on one of the best teams to have ever come through FCV. It was their hallmark group...since the days of Terry Foley and way before the creation of DA. How far back? Back when FCV was attached to SYA. Before Evergreen was built and ECNL was in its infancy.

Thats right! You are looking at girls that witnessed the dismantling of local club soccer, the destruction of WAGS, the rise of ECNL, the assault on HS soccer, age changes that ripped teams apart, new US Soccer mandates and the creation of the GDA, and the battle between ECNL and DA.

All of this.

You know what most of those kids have in common?

4.0 and higher GPAs

You know what most of those kids also have in common?

Combination of Athletic and Academic scholarship money

You know why?

Because no matter how great your kid is she will not get a full Athletic scholarship.

Now

Colleges recruit the person before the player. I can not stress that enough. Grades, work ethic, morals, values and parents are all major factors.

An athletically gifted player who destroys team chemistry is immediately knocked off the list. Too many fish in the pond.

There are approximately 900 NCAA college soccer teams. Approximately 330 or so are D1.

Now, most of the parents at the ECNL/DA level like to seperate themselves even more by saying, ¨Its not about D1. Its about the quality of the D1.¨

You see, being good enough isnt good enough. We need more sub-groups.

Here is my counter to all of that...

How much do you think the parents of the players in the aformentioned picture paid to get their kids to that level?

About as much as a college degree. So the rare parents of the rare kids getting a full ride are breaking even. The rest of us are in the negative.

Now, lets put all of that aside and focus on ¨Quality of school¨



John Hopkins and Carnegie Mellon, MIT, etc. Jobs galore waiting for those kids upon graduation.

All top tier schools with top D3 soccer programs.

Now..UVA, DUKE, UNC, Stanford, Georgetown, etc

Those are the Holy Grail of schools. Top schools with top soccer. The chances of your kid going there in small and the chance of them getting meaningful time in even smaller.

Money:

Go with the school that is giving you the cheapest path to a college degree. In state, partial scholarship. A college degree can reach A LOT after its all said and done. And honestly, its not worth it. Everyone seems to have one. A kid needs to do more then ever to set themselves apart.

I saw a girl in the picture with a NAVY shirt on. She is getting a full ride to one of the best schools in the county and upon graduation will become a Naval Officer. At the age of 26 her resume will set her apart from most if not all of her peers. She will be making six figures immediately in the private sector..with no debt.

Finally,

Go online and research the school your kid wants to attend. Research their rosters and see where the kids are coming from.

Remember, FCV loses about 18 or so players a year to graduation. Thats not even enough kids to fill the demand of the in state D1 schools. It doesnt even come close.

There are 13 D1 womens soccer schools in Virginia. With atleast 4 incoming freshman every year, thats 52

Do you still believe that you must be at FCV DA to play college?



An employer doesnt care how great your womens soccer college program was.

Please, try to keep it all in prespective.

Georgetown is the Holy Grail of Soccer? Nope. It's the Holy Grail of the Big East. Not such great soccer. It's not a very competitive conference at all for soccer.

Ignorance on your part. Georgetown is a great program Big East is a top conference.

The women's team advanced in the tournament last year and made the tournament this year and the mens team were only National Champions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So know that we know that 99.9999999999 percent of the players at FCV will not get a YNT camp call up..lets focus our attention on college placement.

The picture in the link provided are some of the best kids on one of the best teams to have ever come through FCV. It was their hallmark group...since the days of Terry Foley and way before the creation of DA. How far back? Back when FCV was attached to SYA. Before Evergreen was built and ECNL was in its infancy.

Thats right! You are looking at girls that witnessed the dismantling of local club soccer, the destruction of WAGS, the rise of ECNL, the assault on HS soccer, age changes that ripped teams apart, new US Soccer mandates and the creation of the GDA, and the battle between ECNL and DA.

All of this.

You know what most of those kids have in common?

4.0 and higher GPAs

You know what most of those kids also have in common?

Combination of Athletic and Academic scholarship money

You know why?

Because no matter how great your kid is she will not get a full Athletic scholarship.

Now

Colleges recruit the person before the player. I can not stress that enough. Grades, work ethic, morals, values and parents are all major factors.

An athletically gifted player who destroys team chemistry is immediately knocked off the list. Too many fish in the pond.

There are approximately 900 NCAA college soccer teams. Approximately 330 or so are D1.

Now, most of the parents at the ECNL/DA level like to seperate themselves even more by saying, ¨Its not about D1. Its about the quality of the D1.¨

You see, being good enough isnt good enough. We need more sub-groups.

Here is my counter to all of that...

How much do you think the parents of the players in the aformentioned picture paid to get their kids to that level?

About as much as a college degree. So the rare parents of the rare kids getting a full ride are breaking even. The rest of us are in the negative.

Now, lets put all of that aside and focus on ¨Quality of school¨



John Hopkins and Carnegie Mellon, MIT, etc. Jobs galore waiting for those kids upon graduation.

All top tier schools with top D3 soccer programs.

Now..UVA, DUKE, UNC, Stanford, Georgetown, etc

Those are the Holy Grail of schools. Top schools with top soccer. The chances of your kid going there in small and the chance of them getting meaningful time in even smaller.

Money:

Go with the school that is giving you the cheapest path to a college degree. In state, partial scholarship. A college degree can reach A LOT after its all said and done. And honestly, its not worth it. Everyone seems to have one. A kid needs to do more then ever to set themselves apart.

I saw a girl in the picture with a NAVY shirt on. She is getting a full ride to one of the best schools in the county and upon graduation will become a Naval Officer. At the age of 26 her resume will set her apart from most if not all of her peers. She will be making six figures immediately in the private sector..with no debt.

Finally,

Go online and research the school your kid wants to attend. Research their rosters and see where the kids are coming from.

Remember, FCV loses about 18 or so players a year to graduation. Thats not even enough kids to fill the demand of the in state D1 schools. It doesnt even come close.

There are 13 D1 womens soccer schools in Virginia. With atleast 4 incoming freshman every year, thats 52

Do you still believe that you must be at FCV DA to play college?



An employer doesnt care how great your womens soccer college program was.

Please, try to keep it all in prespective.

Georgetown is the Holy Grail of Soccer? Nope. It's the Holy Grail of the Big East. Not such great soccer. It's not a very competitive conference at all for soccer.

Ignorance on your part. Georgetown is a great program Big East is a top conference.

Not to mention a great way to get a real job after college...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Actually before GDA, U13 (07s) were Pre-encl or junior ECNL so not really a movement year. Consolidation happens for recruiting and it happens during recruiting years. Are you purposely not reading the posts?

When you are in a place where you are showcasing and playing why do you care about consolidation?

Unless you are a UNT level player, of which each age group in this area there are perhaps 3 kids who would make it to a camp, what is the possible motivation to leave a club that gets the same college exposure and you are getting lots of playing time? What is there to be gained?

Come on now. It isn't that hard to understand that the coaches can only be at one place at a time and they will go to where the talent is the most consolidated? If they can go to a field with 10 possible recruits vs. 1 possible recruit which one will they pick. And if you are on the field with college coaches watching you may get added to their radar as player 11 or 12 or 13. If you are number 3 on a weaker team, not enough coaches will choose to watch the game vs. other games they could be watching to see you. It isn't rocket science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.