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Anonymous wrote:This is why we chose FCV DA:

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/tsj-fc-virginia-athletes-to-play-soccer-in-college/article_2c4925ac-111b-11ea-ad63-236901e85fe8.html

I think they do a good job at college placement, but there's a good segment of those players that were committed before moving to FCV.

Curious - where did they "move" from?

Riley McCarthy, Jasmine Hamid, Riley Melendez, and Lauren Teuschl all came from Spirit and all came already committed. Hamid is the #2 scorer.

So 3.5 starters came from another team after committing. How many others joined this team after committing?

Wow you are writing names of young kids on a public board. Have you stooped this low. Hope the op is not a disgruntled Spirit parent.
This is wrong. Shame!!

Shame? I apologize if I violated something. I can't for the life of me figure out what. Their names are in the article, the rosters are online, and they are all great players. Any program would be lucky to have them. Someone asked. I answered, but it's all public information.

If we are both reading the same DA site - you can't even copy right. Hamid is not the #2 scorer.

Maybe I missed someone. She has 10 goals. I saw one person ahead of it. No matter what, that's pretty strong.

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Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Was at an FCV session with DD for 08. She came out telling me 2-3 girls were there from Loudoun Red. She wasn't sure on one so maybe only 2. But sound like that is very different than in the past?

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Actually before GDA, U13 (07s) were Pre-encl or junior ECNL so not really a movement year. Consolidation happens for recruiting and it happens during recruiting years. Are you purposely not reading the posts?

When you are in a place where you are showcasing and playing why do you care about consolidation?

Unless you are a UNT level player, of which each age group in this area there are perhaps 3 kids who would make it to a camp, what is the possible motivation to leave a club that gets the same college exposure and you are getting lots of playing time? What is there to be gained?

Come on now. It isn't that hard to understand that the coaches can only be at one place at a time and they will go to where the talent is the most consolidated? If they can go to a field with 10 possible recruits vs. 1 possible recruit which one will they pick. And if you are on the field with college coaches watching you may get added to their radar as player 11 or 12 or 13. If you are number 3 on a weaker team, not enough coaches will choose to watch the game vs. other games they could be watching to see you. It isn't rocket science.

And yet all these kids at all these other clubs get recruited. Do you really think UVA is picking kids based on convenience?

Yeah sure. They are picking the kids they like not because they could scout one game and go golf for the rest of the afternoon.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Loudoun mom or dad, please realize that Loudoun Soccer is not the center of the soccer universe. Consolidation of TOP talent covers a broad area not just the local neighborhood.

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Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Was at an FCV session with DD for 08. She came out telling me 2-3 girls were there from Loudoun Red. She wasn't sure on one so maybe only 2. But sound like that is very different than in the past?

In the past it would have been at least half of Loudoun Red, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Loudoun mom or dad, please realize that Loudoun Soccer is not the center of the soccer universe. Consolidation of TOP talent covers a broad area not just the local neighborhood.

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/tsj-fc-virginia-athletes-to-play-soccer-in-college/article_2c4925ac-111b-11ea-ad63-236901e85fe8.html

There are two kids in this picture going to VT. Are you telling me that one of those kids would not be going to Tech if they were on another DA team playing on a field in a showcase game 200 yards away?

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Actually before GDA, U13 (07s) were Pre-encl or junior ECNL so not really a movement year. Consolidation happens for recruiting and it happens during recruiting years. Are you purposely not reading the posts?

When you are in a place where you are showcasing and playing why do you care about consolidation?

Unless you are a UNT level player, of which each age group in this area there are perhaps 3 kids who would make it to a camp, what is the possible motivation to leave a club that gets the same college exposure and you are getting lots of playing time? What is there to be gained?

Come on now. It isn't that hard to understand that the coaches can only be at one place at a time and they will go to where the talent is the most consolidated? If they can go to a field with 10 possible recruits vs. 1 possible recruit which one will they pick. And if you are on the field with college coaches watching you may get added to their radar as player 11 or 12 or 13. If you are number 3 on a weaker team, not enough coaches will choose to watch the game vs. other games they could be watching to see you. It isn't rocket science.

And yet all these kids at all these other clubs get recruited. Do you really think UVA is picking kids based on convenience?

Yeah sure. They are picking the kids they like not because they could scout one game and go golf for the rest of the afternoon.

You seriously need a primer on how recruiting works. Of course other programs get recruited but we are talking about probabilities. Hey maybe you could save some money and just play HS and hope someone finds you there. You think the same number of coaches are going to attend an 03 FCV Tophat game as would attend a 03 Loudoun Wilmington game if both those games were played at the same time at the same venue as part of a large showcase event?

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Loudoun mom or dad, please realize that Loudoun Soccer is not the center of the soccer universe. Consolidation of TOP talent covers a broad area not just the local neighborhood.

How did a McLean kid get recruited by VA Tech if they were not on the field with ECNL and were playing in a different league at an entirely different showcase. It boggles the mind.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Loudoun mom or dad, please realize that Loudoun Soccer is not the center of the soccer universe. Consolidation of TOP talent covers a broad area not just the local neighborhood.

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/tsj-fc-virginia-athletes-to-play-soccer-in-college/article_2c4925ac-111b-11ea-ad63-236901e85fe8.html

There are two kids in this picture going to VT. Are you telling me that one of those kids would not be going to Tech if they were on another DA team playing on a field in a showcase game 200 yards away?

I don't know the specifics of their recruiting but if they were not in the DA maybe they would not be going to VT for soccer. There is a real chance of that scenario playing out with a players. The strength of the team matters. Players know it so they seek it out. Recruiters know that the players seek it out so they seek it out to find those players. Happens in every sport.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Actually before GDA, U13 (07s) were Pre-encl or junior ECNL so not really a movement year. Consolidation happens for recruiting and it happens during recruiting years. Are you purposely not reading the posts?

When you are in a place where you are showcasing and playing why do you care about consolidation?

Unless you are a UNT level player, of which each age group in this area there are perhaps 3 kids who would make it to a camp, what is the possible motivation to leave a club that gets the same college exposure and you are getting lots of playing time? What is there to be gained?

Come on now. It isn't that hard to understand that the coaches can only be at one place at a time and they will go to where the talent is the most consolidated? If they can go to a field with 10 possible recruits vs. 1 possible recruit which one will they pick. And if you are on the field with college coaches watching you may get added to their radar as player 11 or 12 or 13. If you are number 3 on a weaker team, not enough coaches will choose to watch the game vs. other games they could be watching to see you. It isn't rocket science.

And yet all these kids at all these other clubs get recruited. Do you really think UVA is picking kids based on convenience?

Yeah sure. They are picking the kids they like not because they could scout one game and go golf for the rest of the afternoon.

You seriously need a primer on how recruiting works. Of course other programs get recruited but we are talking about probabilities. Hey maybe you could save some money and just play HS and hope someone finds you there. You think the same number of coaches are going to attend an 03 FCV Tophat game as would attend a 03 Loudoun Wilmington game if both those games were played at the same time at the same venue as part of a large showcase event?

Top Hat and FCV would have 3 top players each, highly sought after by top programs. If 75 coaches show up to watch that game 50 of them are there for the 6 girls. That is how it works. That leaves 25 schools for the rest of the players.

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Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Was at an FCV session with DD for 08. She came out telling me 2-3 girls were there from Loudoun Red. She wasn't sure on one so maybe only 2. But sound like that is very different than in the past?

In the past it would have been at least half of Loudoun Red, yes.

Wow, half of the LS Red team tried out at different clubs, or just FCV? I know of 4 who tried out last season, and a handful are talking about it (Red/Black/White) this year. Guess we will see what happens in the Spring.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Loudoun mom or dad, please realize that Loudoun Soccer is not the center of the soccer universe. Consolidation of TOP talent covers a broad area not just the local neighborhood.

How did a McLean kid get recruited by VA Tech if they were not on the field with ECNL and were playing in a different league at an entirely different showcase. It boggles the mind.

Just discuss it with yourself man, you have all the answers.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Then Loudoun overlooks those same kids who have been in their club since mini/rec/pre-academy and bring in players from other clubs to stack their ECNL rosters. Same song and dance that ALL the larger clubs do. Loyalty in clubs works both ways.

The kids are staying at Loudoun. There are only 18 spots, yes kids on Black, White and Silver will leave and try at FCV I guess, but FCV is no longer getting half of Loudoun Red anymore showing up to tryouts like years past.

But how have FCV's tryout numbers been? If you are there surely you can see the great consolidation happening before your very eyes right now.

Loudoun mom or dad, please realize that Loudoun Soccer is not the center of the soccer universe. Consolidation of TOP talent covers a broad area not just the local neighborhood.

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/tsj-fc-virginia-athletes-to-play-soccer-in-college/article_2c4925ac-111b-11ea-ad63-236901e85fe8.html

There are two kids in this picture going to VT. Are you telling me that one of those kids would not be going to Tech if they were on another DA team playing on a field in a showcase game 200 yards away?

I don't know the specifics of their recruiting but if they were not in the DA maybe they would not be going to VT for soccer. There is a real chance of that scenario playing out with a players. The strength of the team matters. Players know it so they seek it out. Recruiters know that the players seek it out so they seek it out to find those players. Happens in every sport.

The strength of the team does not matter, the strength of the player and consistency of play form the player against strong opposition is what matters.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV u17s have the following verbal commits:
3 William and Mary, 1 university of Richmond, 1 George Washington, and 1 VMI. They are 1st in their division and 8th in the country. Their record is 6-0-2. Sounds respectable to me.

Add to that the 04s ranked 4th and the 05s ranked 3rd - both national rankings. The 06s and 07s don't keep standings.

You can bash the mid-atlantic competition all you want but if the mid-atlantic DA is weak, how weak is the mid-atlantic ECNL? The same argument keeps being made that the GDA isn't strong at the younger ages and that the talent is going to be spread out in the future. Based on what? Message board opinions that have been wrong about that facts for two years running now? The TOP talent will always consolidate. The question only is where. For now that is FCV and increasingly Arlington. McLean remains to be seen if their reputation will remain strong enough to bring in TOP talent at the 03, 04, 05 etc... age groups. Right now those teams don't have it at McLean.

And for the teams that can consolidate top talent, even their subs will get recruited because the college coaches KNOW the talent has consolidated there. So it isn't as simple as a starter at ECNL is better than a sub at FCV. That may be completely false - it depends on the particular team and the particular players and if they are starter number 1 or starter number 10. The recruiting numbers at FCV do not lie.

BRYC in turmoil, MU is a year-to-year test of survival, VDA hasn't proven to be able to keep enough of its talent into the recruiting ages and Loudoun is second fiddle to its GDA neighbor...hoping that they move to Springfield.

IF, and its a big IF, the GDA survives the next 5 years, my meaningless opinion is that Arlington is best positioned to be dominant. Geographically has big and distinct population to draw from, well run, decent with some great staff and a DA platform. Every other club has serious issues going forward.

All of this opinion and not fact. Take it for what its worth.

Loudoun has not lost a 07 or 08 player to FCV since Loudoun was granted ECNL. FCV needs to move because they no longer have the golden ticket in Loudoun anymore. Keep living in the past of teams formed years before DA though.

We are now considering 5th 6th and 7th graders as recruiting years? Your data is meaningless to this topic. And I repeat, we heard this about the 04, 05 and 06s before too.

Where did anyone say those were recruiting years? Just stating that since Loudoun has been granted ECNL that they have retained their players in rising DA/ECNL years. Before Loudoun had ECNL they lost all of their top players to McLean and FCV so that they could play in ECNL. Now they have no reason to leave the club where they started playing rec. U13 is a big year for changing clubs as kids start playing 11v11 and clubs with ECNL or DA are top targets to move to.

Actually before GDA, U13 (07s) were Pre-encl or junior ECNL so not really a movement year. Consolidation happens for recruiting and it happens during recruiting years. Are you purposely not reading the posts?

When you are in a place where you are showcasing and playing why do you care about consolidation?

Unless you are a UNT level player, of which each age group in this area there are perhaps 3 kids who would make it to a camp, what is the possible motivation to leave a club that gets the same college exposure and you are getting lots of playing time? What is there to be gained?

Come on now. It isn't that hard to understand that the coaches can only be at one place at a time and they will go to where the talent is the most consolidated? If they can go to a field with 10 possible recruits vs. 1 possible recruit which one will they pick. And if you are on the field with college coaches watching you may get added to their radar as player 11 or 12 or 13. If you are number 3 on a weaker team, not enough coaches will choose to watch the game vs. other games they could be watching to see you. It isn't rocket science.

And yet all these kids at all these other clubs get recruited. Do you really think UVA is picking kids based on convenience?

Yeah sure. They are picking the kids they like not because they could scout one game and go golf for the rest of the afternoon.

You seriously need a primer on how recruiting works. Of course other programs get recruited but we are talking about probabilities. Hey maybe you could save some money and just play HS and hope someone finds you there. You think the same number of coaches are going to attend an 03 FCV Tophat game as would attend a 03 Loudoun Wilmington game if both those games were played at the same time at the same venue as part of a large showcase event?

Top Hat and FCV would have 3 top players each, highly sought after by top programs. If 75 coaches show up to watch that game 50 of them are there for the 6 girls. That is how it works. That leaves 25 schools for the rest of the players.

So do the college coaches actually watch the other players on the team? My DD is too young to worry about college just yet, but I'm really curious how it works.

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College coaches come to games to watch specific players they have already identified, seen video and vetted enough to watch in person. There is no time to discover new players on the field. People overestimate how much time coaches have, maybe 20 minutes per game at most. They know many of the kids are not on their radar for many reasons (not interested in their school, already committed, poor academics, etc). They are looking at their prospects, often to see them live in games and warm ups multiple times before advancing to the next stage in recruitment.