Van Hollen in El Salvador

[Anonymous]

This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

This is exactly it.

I'm not concerned about who Garcia is/is not. He might be a very bad person. I'm concerned about the law. When one person's rights are violated without accountability, we're all in danger. I don't understand why this isn't clear. We're not standing up for Garcia, we're standing up for the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

Clearly you have no idea what is going on if you think any of this has to do with MS-13.

People who have even a basic understanding of the constitution recognize the danger of dismantling due process. Remember once due process goes away for one group of people then it really no longer exists for anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.

Exactly. If his case is presented in court and he is PROVEN to be a member of MS-13, then fine - send him back. The reason the Trump is resisting Garcia’s return is because they don’t have any proof that would stand up in court.

Again, this isn’t about one person, it’s about preserving due process. Trump isn’t shy about his intent to deport political opponents; this is just a test case.

[Anonymous]

MAGA lost their minds when Biden appeared to defy the Supreme Court over student loan forgiveness, screaming about the “rule of law”.

Where you at now, MAGA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.

The folks here arguing in favor of Garcia are trying to make the larger point about not deporting without due process. However, due process was not followed when such individuals entered the country illegally. I wonder where all of these folks were when Biden let in millions of illegal aliens in violation of US law?

Beyond all of this, I ask all of the folks demanding full due process would be okay with banning anyone who entered the country illegally from:

NEVER being allowed to vote,

NOT counted as part of the census (which allocates Congressional seats and Electoral College votes)

NEVER receiving any federal or state benefits

IMMEDIATE deportation if they commit any crime (after serving whatever incarceration period is required - probation gets deportation And a bar from reentry until probation period ends).

If illegal aliens want these things, they will have to self deport and seek to emigrate to the US legally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.

The folks here arguing in favor of Garcia are trying to make the larger point about not deporting without due process. However, due process was not followed when such individuals entered the country illegally. I wonder where all of these folks were when Biden let in millions of illegal aliens in violation of US law?

Beyond all of this, I ask all of the folks demanding full due process would be okay with banning anyone who entered the country illegally from:

NEVER being allowed to vote,

NOT counted as part of the census (which allocates Congressional seats and Electoral College votes)

NEVER receiving any federal or state benefits

IMMEDIATE deportation if they commit any crime (after serving whatever incarceration period is required - probation gets deportation And a bar from reentry until probation period ends).

If illegal aliens want these things, they will have to self deport and seek to emigrate to the US legally.

García didn’t enter illegally. He came seeking asylum, perfectly legal. You may not like that, but that is the law.

TLDR; He followed the law. Trump broke the law. SCOTUS weighed in and said, YEP, that’s correct.

Either we are a country of laws or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He had check ins because he is DEPORTABLE! That’s the whole point. Citizens don’t check in with immigration. He was not permanently authorized to stay and he knew it.

The check ins were required while he pursued citizenship. If there was a point where he should have been deported, they would have. And again, there was an order that he could not be sent to El Salvador.

Look, just give it up. You are so losing on the facts here.

That’s a laughable claim. He was never eligible for citizenship and that’s why his wife never tried to get him a green card. You can’t get citizenship when you enter illegally and he had already been denied asylum. Citizenship was never on the table.

You are correct that he was in legal limbo--undeportable to EL Salvador but no path to citizenship here. Not sure to resolve that.
But the fact remains, there was a legal order prohibiting sending him to EL Salvador and the Trump admin violated it.

Why no pass to citizenship? If his wife an American citizen, why would she not petition for him to obtain a green card and citizenship?

He came in illegally.
He has a criminal record.

He came in illegally

Correct, but so did Elon Musk, who committed visa fraud by coming in on a student visa in the 90s and not attending university.

He has a criminal record.

False. He has no criminal record in the United States because he has never been charged with or convicted of any crime in the U.S. In 2019, he was arrested with some other day laborers in a Home Depot parking lot in Maryland, but no charges were filed against him. The arrest led to immigration proceedings, during which the government alleged gang affiliation. However, these allegations were not substantiated, and a judge granted him "withholding of removal" status due to the dangers he faced if returned to El Salvador. ​That status allowed him to stay here legally and work legally.

Yup.
The feds issued him a work permit even. It's a temporary type of legal status but it's legal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA lost their minds when Biden appeared to defy the Supreme Court over student loan forgiveness, screaming about the “rule of law”.

Where you at now, MAGA?

And for the record, he did not. They modified within existing laws.

Feel like we are being astroturfed because every point made about the president defying the Supreme Court is followed up with "but he is really guilty!"

The current administration is defying the court. That is the point. Any other comment on anything else is tangential or irrelevant. We are the USA, not a dictatorship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.

You don't have to be so nasty about someone you don't even know. Says some things about you as a person.

But yes, if we keep our noses clean by following due process, that's all we ask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.

The folks here arguing in favor of Garcia are trying to make the larger point about not deporting without due process. However, due process was not followed when such individuals entered the country illegally. I wonder where all of these folks were when Biden let in millions of illegal aliens in violation of US law?

Beyond all of this, I ask all of the folks demanding full due process would be okay with banning anyone who entered the country illegally from:

NEVER being allowed to vote,

NOT counted as part of the census (which allocates Congressional seats and Electoral College votes)

NEVER receiving any federal or state benefits

IMMEDIATE deportation if they commit any crime (after serving whatever incarceration period is required - probation gets deportation And a bar from reentry until probation period ends).

If illegal aliens want these things, they will have to self deport and seek to emigrate to the US legally.

Wtf are you even talking about? Due process has to do with the government *taking away* freedoms, property, legal rights, etc. without the opportunity for a full and fair hearing to be held.

Citizens are entitled to due process even for things like applying for SS benefits, traffic tickets, eminent domain, etc.

It has nothing to do with people coming into the country illegally. Biden wasn’t taking anything away from an individual. You may not like his actions, but you are clearly uneducated when it comes to the basics of our constitution.

[Anonymous]

^^ and to add there is case law saying foreigners have a some due process rights as well

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.

The folks here arguing in favor of Garcia are trying to make the larger point about not deporting without due process. However, due process was not followed when such individuals entered the country illegally. I wonder where all of these folks were when Biden let in millions of illegal aliens in violation of US law?

Beyond all of this, I ask all of the folks demanding full due process would be okay with banning anyone who entered the country illegally from:

NEVER being allowed to vote,

NOT counted as part of the census (which allocates Congressional seats and Electoral College votes)

NEVER receiving any federal or state benefits

IMMEDIATE deportation if they commit any crime (after serving whatever incarceration period is required - probation gets deportation And a bar from reentry until probation period ends).

If illegal aliens want these things, they will have to self deport and seek to emigrate to the US legally.

Wtf are you even talking about? Due process has to do with the government *taking away* freedoms, property, legal rights, etc. without the opportunity for a full and fair hearing to be held.

Citizens are entitled to due process even for things like applying for SS benefits, traffic tickets, eminent domain, etc.

It has nothing to do with people coming into the country illegally. Biden wasn’t taking anything away from an individual. You may not like his actions, but you are clearly uneducated when it comes to the basics of our constitution.

Like it or not, PP is making an argument that will resonate with many voters: Trump has no choice but to deny due process to deal with an emergency Biden created.

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Anonymous wrote:here another post from the bukele about the meeting they drank some margaritas

Such suffering.

Margaritas with an alleged wife beater who was arrested wearing gang symbols chilling with MS 13 members and deported for being illegal. What a hill to die on Maryland. Maryland is for . . the wealthy, wife beaters, and gangs. Glad I left.

You’re lucky to be gone. Our new governor is a disaster. Hogan handed him a huge budget surplus and moron Wes Moore has spent us into a huge deficit. Disgusting.

I tell my DC how lucky we are to not live there, where I am from, and promise to take her on a field trip to see how bad it is. Although TBH, I am slightly afraid to bring them there.