Volleyball tryouts in real time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it legal for clubs to rescind an offer?

They have to hold it open until 10pm tonight. It would be against the rules to rescind a written offer before then.

A verbal offer or other indication that an offer is coming without it being done in writing is not an offer so they technically don’t have to honor that, although that would be really shady.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Maybe clubs should provide a discount for those who accept by Monday at 10pm. Those who wait until Tuesday would have to pay more thereby providing an incentive to accept early and help those waiting at lower levels

This is an interesting idea! I suppose it would have to come at the CHRVA level across all clubs to work.
Now watch the most expensive clubs jack the rates another $1000 to cover this. I’m looking at you, Virginia Elite. lol. 😆

Tuesday @ 10 rule was in place to give players enough time to make informed decisions and protect them from various types of pressure coming from the clubs. I don't think CHRVA will allow incentives to play a role, even though I may be wrong about that.

My DD is getting *a lot* of pressure to accept an offer but she’s still waiting to hear from her club of choice where she’s on the waiting list. Like emails every few hours asking about status, phone calls, etc. It’s stressing her out.

Reply to one of the emails and say something along the lines: "Thank you for showing interest in [insert name here]. We do understand that you would like to fill out the roster as soon as possible or offer other players the chance to join the club. Our understanding is that we can weigh our options until Tuesday at 10. We are taking the process very seriously and we will give you an answer as soon as we are in the position to make an informed decision. " Hopefully you don't strain the relationship with the club, but they are not supposed to put any pressure on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again with the DD who is always the “first choice alternate.”

If your kid is sitting on offers you probably won’t accept, please please please turn them down and notify them ASAP this morning! There are sooooo many girls waitlisted and panicked.

This happens every year and I wish the league did this differently bc coaches are frustrated too by parents who do this

It is outrageously stressful, but what is the alternative process you suggest? I think the main point and benefit of having until Tues to accept/decline is to not be strongarmed by aggressive clubs to accept on the spot because if you don't on the spot, you'll lose that chance. Knowing what your choices are when you finally decide makes it far more likely there will NOT be massive shakeups and lots of players on teams they didn't want but accepted because they were scared, then could have been on a better/more desired team.

We made our decisions within hours of her last tryout (which was Sat) and let all 4 teams know right away on Sat. We would never want to be those parents sitting on an offer in hopes something better would come along but early in our DDs playing we were you, waiting hoping for something, and we did wait to accept our last choice because we were praying we'd get something better, and we usually did at the last minute.

It's very frustrating and exhausting, but what alternative process do you propose so girls aren't strong-armed right away into decisions on the spot or that same day that they truly regret later?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: This happens every year and I wish the league did this differently bc coaches are frustrated too by parents who do this

What could they possibly do differently, however? I am having a hard time imaging what a different way could look like. Do other regions do it different than CHRVA?

I say this knowing it is stressful, but I can’t see a way to avoid that tbh.

Maybe an earlier deadline for the top teams? My DD took an offer at deadline only to receive a better offer after deadline that she couldn’t accept. Really unfair.

Maybe clubs should provide a discount for those who accept by Monday at 10pm. Those who wait until Tuesday would have to pay more thereby providing an incentive to accept early and help those waiting at lower levels

This is a brilliant idea and would absolutely work and encourage parents to accept early. We know so many people sitting on multiple offers every year. I can understand sitting on one but 3 doesn’t seem right.

Have you or anyone ever asked families sitting on more than 1 offer WHY they're sitting on 2+? I get sitting on the one offer in hopes of a better one. But once you get 2, don't you know who your preferred club/team is and can't you release the offer you know you're not taking? When we've been in that situation, we've always released the offer we were sure we wouldn't take, and only sat on the one we hoped would be bested by a specific more desired club.

Why does anyone sit on 2+ offers ever??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Maybe clubs should provide a discount for those who accept by Monday at 10pm. Those who wait until Tuesday would have to pay more thereby providing an incentive to accept early and help those waiting at lower levels

This is an interesting idea! I suppose it would have to come at the CHRVA level across all clubs to work.
Now watch the most expensive clubs jack the rates another $1000 to cover this. I’m looking at you, Virginia Elite. lol. 😆

Tuesday @ 10 rule was in place to give players enough time to make informed decisions and protect them from various types of pressure coming from the clubs. I don't think CHRVA will allow incentives to play a role, even though I may be wrong about that.

My DD is getting *a lot* of pressure to accept an offer but she’s still waiting to hear from her club of choice where she’s on the waiting list. Like emails every few hours asking about status, phone calls, etc. It’s stressing her out.

You and your DD should pay attention to that pressure and whether it's a red flag about that club. May tell you something about what the culture is in the club, and it may not be so good. I hope you get the offer you're waiting for, it's probably good to get in somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP again with the DD who is always the “first choice alternate.”

If your kid is sitting on offers you probably won’t accept, please please please turn them down and notify them ASAP this morning! There are sooooo many girls waitlisted and panicked.

This happens every year and I wish the league did this differently bc coaches are frustrated too by parents who do this

It is outrageously stressful, but what is the alternative process you suggest? I think the main point and benefit of having until Tues to accept/decline is to not be strongarmed by aggressive clubs to accept on the spot because if you don't on the spot, you'll lose that chance. Knowing what your choices are when you finally decide makes it far more likely there will NOT be massive shakeups and lots of players on teams they didn't want but accepted because they were scared, then could have been on a better/more desired team.

We made our decisions within hours of her last tryout (which was Sat) and let all 4 teams know right away on Sat. We would never want to be those parents sitting on an offer in hopes something better would come along but early in our DDs playing we were you, waiting hoping for something, and we did wait to accept our last choice because we were praying we'd get something better, and we usually did at the last minute.

It's very frustrating and exhausting, but what alternative process do you propose so girls aren't strong-armed right away into decisions on the spot or that same day that they truly regret later?

I'm this PP ^^ and I see the thread about offering discounts to people who accept by 10:00pm Mon night. It's an interesting idea, but it really would make almost all clubs jack up their prices 10% more to cover that. Which would suck for those who care about cost. That would also mean that clubs would feel the need to go with who they have by Mon night even if they did Monday eve last resort tryouts and now needed to figure out the order in which they'll make their last offers. They won't have that last day to consider the whole pool, which disadvantages both those who try out Monday and the clubs still seeking to fill a few specific spots.

[FPYCparent]

Given that other regions have tryouts in the summer, I wonder if a variant of that would work here.

For example, clubs could offer roster spots to returning players at the end of July/after Nationals with acceptance and deposit required by August 1st. Clubs post their returning players by mid-August (technically, before the high school season begins) and submit those partial rosters to CHRVA. Any players that accept the offer to return would not participate in any tryouts during the "normal" Oct/Nov window ... and can focus on finishing their HS season. Players who do not accept an offer to return can test the waters at other clubs (during clinics and tryouts) ... and could still try out for any remaining roster spots at their previous club. If a club doesn't offer a spot to a returning player, both parties know where they stand. When the tryout weekends roll around, everyone would already know how many roster spots remain on a particular team and can decide to participate in club tryouts accordingly.

[Anonymous]

It’s 2pm and my DD is still on the “priority” waiting list for three clubs. Should she just accept her existing offer (not top choice) or keep waiting?

Send in your declines, please.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:Given that other regions have tryouts in the summer, I wonder if a variant of that would work here.

For example, clubs could offer roster spots to returning players at the end of July/after Nationals with acceptance and deposit required by August 1st. Clubs post their returning players by mid-August (technically, before the high school season begins) and submit those partial rosters to CHRVA. Any players that accept the offer to return would not participate in any tryouts during the "normal" Oct/Nov window ... and can focus on finishing their HS season. Players who do not accept an offer to return can test the waters at other clubs (during clinics and tryouts) ... and could still try out for any remaining roster spots at their previous club. If a club doesn't offer a spot to a returning player, both parties know where they stand. When the tryout weekends roll around, everyone would already know how many roster spots remain on a particular team and can decide to participate in club tryouts accordingly.

Personally, I prefer the late fall tryout model over the summer model that some other regions use. Players get a chance to reflect on the past season and explore other options through camps and clinics before deciding where to tryout for next season. While most clubs have some number of returners every year, forcing players to decide if they want to play for the same club next season immediately at the end of the prior season seems like it would just be stressful in a different way and could result in some players not exploring more competitive clubs for fear of losing their advantage for a spot with last season’s club.

[Anonymous]

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FPYCparent wrote:Given that other regions have tryouts in the summer, I wonder if a variant of that would work here.

For example, clubs could offer roster spots to returning players at the end of July/after Nationals with acceptance and deposit required by August 1st. Clubs post their returning players by mid-August (technically, before the high school season begins) and submit those partial rosters to CHRVA. Any players that accept the offer to return would not participate in any tryouts during the "normal" Oct/Nov window ... and can focus on finishing their HS season. Players who do not accept an offer to return can test the waters at other clubs (during clinics and tryouts) ... and could still try out for any remaining roster spots at their previous club. If a club doesn't offer a spot to a returning player, both parties know where they stand. When the tryout weekends roll around, everyone would already know how many roster spots remain on a particular team and can decide to participate in club tryouts accordingly.

Personally, I prefer the late fall tryout model over the summer model that some other regions use. Players get a chance to reflect on the past season and explore other options through camps and clinics before deciding where to tryout for next season. While most clubs have some number of returners every year, forcing players to decide if they want to play for the same club next season immediately at the end of the prior season seems like it would just be stressful in a different way and could result in some players not exploring more competitive clubs for fear of losing their advantage for a spot with last season’s club.

Totally agree with this. So much can happen between the summer after club season and the start of the next club season. I'd think players would want to have flexibility to try out for other (better or better for them for some reason) teams. And clubs as well - there's a reason no one should expect loyalty to returning players from a club - clubs are always interested in new-to-them players who are kicking butt. Would clubs really want to be limited to the best players on their last team when who knows what level of player might show up for tryouts (especially in the DMV that has so many people and so much transition). Seems very much in club's favor to see who their best options are right before the season begins instead of choosing the returning players and then waiting 3 or 4 months to see who else is around and, after offering all empty spots to the best players at tryouts, possibly still having to turn away players better than the returning players they already committed to because they're full.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s 2pm and my DD is still on the “priority” waiting list for three clubs. Should she just accept her existing offer (not top choice) or keep waiting?

Send in your declines, please.

If she has a club that she is holding out hope for she should wait til closer to the deadline or check in with them to ask how far down the list she is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: This happens every year and I wish the league did this differently bc coaches are frustrated too by parents who do this

What could they possibly do differently, however? I am having a hard time imaging what a different way could look like. Do other regions do it different than CHRVA?

I say this knowing it is stressful, but I can’t see a way to avoid that tbh.

Maybe an earlier deadline for the top teams? My DD took an offer at deadline only to receive a better offer after deadline that she couldn’t accept. Really unfair.

Maybe clubs should provide a discount for those who accept by Monday at 10pm. Those who wait until Tuesday would have to pay more thereby providing an incentive to accept early and help those waiting at lower levels

This is a brilliant idea and would absolutely work and encourage parents to accept early. We know so many people sitting on multiple offers every year. I can understand sitting on one but 3 doesn’t seem right.

Have you or anyone ever asked families sitting on more than 1 offer WHY they're sitting on 2+? I get sitting on the one offer in hopes of a better one. But once you get 2, don't you know who your preferred club/team is and can't you release the offer you know you're not taking? When we've been in that situation, we've always released the offer we were sure we wouldn't take, and only sat on the one we hoped would be bested by a specific more desired club.

Why does anyone sit on 2+ offers ever??

I can imagine sitting on a second offer if your kid had a friend that she hoped to play with (or that you really needed to do a carpool with) and the other girl is still waiting to hear. We aren’t in that scenario but I can imagine it — my kid was hoping her friend that lives near us would get an offer for the same team. It’s gojng to really stink not to have her to carpool with — that would have made a difference for me as a parent!

[Anonymous]

Does anybody know anything about the new American North club? Did they manage to attract any talent willing to practice in Beltsville?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it legal for clubs to rescind an offer?

If there's an error in your required paperwork submitted at try-out registration - expired CHRVA membership, DOB incorrectly listed/not verified, or some other technicality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it legal for clubs to rescind an offer?

If there's an error in your required paperwork submitted at try-out registration - expired CHRVA membership, DOB incorrectly listed/not verified, or some other technicality.

Or if it was verbal. It is not an official offer if it is not in writing. Many do not know that.