Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:South Korea now has over 1000 cases.

Latest numbers in put them at 1,146 cases, 11 dead.


So 0.95% death rate. Less than the flu. The nutter who likes to obsess with numbers can use that until we get a better sample.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
You keep speculating about ventilators without any verified data and you are just scaring people.


I linked to my data and there are footnotes if you want to read the reports yourself.

You should be scared. People should stop saying "It's just like the flu" and start understanding WHY people are worried about this illness that is "mostly mild".

Only once they understand how "mostly mild" still can be really really bad will they be willing to take the drastic steps we will need to get through this.... including school closures, which WILL have significant impact.
Anonymous
The US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) estimates that 865,000 US residents would be
hospitalized during a moderate pandemic (as in 1957 and 1968) and 9.9 million during a severe pandemic (as
in 1918).1

o Moderate (1958/68-like) = 64,875 would need mechanical ventilation
o Severe (1918-like) = 742,500 would need mechanical ventilation1

One study estimated that US acute care hospitals own approximately 62,000 full-feature mechanical
ventilators.2 Calculations suggest that around 28,883 of these ventilators (46.4%) can be used to ventilate
pediatric and neonatal patients. The study also reported an additional 98,000 ventilators that are not fullfeatured but can still provide basic function.2

• Based on these numbers, the maximum number that can be potentially ventilated is around
160,000.
• US: 20.5 ICU beds with mechanical ventilation capability per 100,000 population
• Canada: 8.7 ICU beds with mechanical ventilation capability per 100,000 population
• Australia & New Zealand: 5.4 ICU beds with mechanical ventilation capability per 100,000
population

o These numbers suggest that the capacity of other countries to provide ventilation
therapy might be significantly lower than our own.2

In addition, the CDC Strategic National Stockpile has an estimated 8,900 ventilators as of 2010.3 Ventilators
are stored and kept as managed inventory. Malatino et al report that shipments from managed inventory
“could arrive within 24-36 hours of the federal decision to deploy them.”4 The authors go on to describe the
multistep process for requesting additional ventilators from the CDC Strategic National Stockpile.
• Local hospitals and treatment centers make their initial request using their incident
command system.
• This request is then received by the local health department and emergency management
agency.
• The governor’s approval is sought before an official request is made to DHS or the CDC.


https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/disaster-medicine-and-public-health-preparedness/article/mechanical-ventilators-in-us-acute-care-hospitals/F1FDBACA53531F2A150D6AD8E96F144D
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:South Korea now has over 1000 cases.

Latest numbers in put them at 1,146 cases, 11 dead.


So 0.95% death rate. Less than the flu. The nutter who likes to obsess with numbers can use that until we get a better sample.


Seasonal flu has a 0.1% fatality rate, so isn't this 9x more severe than seasonal flu?
Anonymous
Medical ventilators panic superspreaders do not tell you that simple internet /google search brings tone of portable easy effective ventilators that anyone can operate after reading instructions. Just think about millions of people in private homes using one now. Many people who are paralized, cancer patients, lung issues patients, terminally ill... many many more who need one for daily living who would die without one, who don’t need a hospital stay just to be on the ventilator.

Anyone, hospital or person can buy them without a prescription.
So why hospitals could not get them now in large amounts to put lighter cases on them or even serious cases since the machines are fully capable.

Entirely random 350 bucks example and specs...

https://www.medicaldevicedepot.com/EPV200-Portable-Ventilator-p/EPV200.htm?dfw_tracker=3918-19295&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqZ78uYLu5wIVFqSzCh2OUw5TEAQYASABEgJ-wPD_BwE

Simple, lightweight, robust and affordable, the EPV200 with Assist-Control is a portable mechanical ventilator designed to provide effective ventilation for intubated or non-intubated patients, maximizing medical surge response during the initial stages of a mass casualty event.
This gas-powered electronically-controlled vent is extremely easy to use, and is equipped with independent inspiratory time, tidal volume and BPM controls. It also features a built-in digital manometer and a full array of pre-set visual and audible safety alarms. The Assist-Control function triggers at less than -2 cm H2O to accommodate spontaneous breathing. The weather-resistant EPV200 will run for up to 48 hours on two D cell batteries, and is ideal for stockpiling or everyday use.
The weather-restistant EPV200 will run for up to 48 hours on two D Cell Batteries, and is ideal for stockpiling or everyday use.

Features and Benefits
Assist-Control operation accomodates conscious or semi-conscious patients via invasive or non-invasive ventilation.
Simple control interface enables treatment by a broad range of caregivers during medical surge or routine transport.
Lightweight durable construction is ideal for use in transport ventilation or stockpiling
Low maintenance and accessory cost ensure a low cost of ownership.
Materials Included
EPV200 Unit
(1) 6 ft Oxygen Hose
(1) 3 ft Ventilator Circuit
(2) D Cell Batteries
User Manual
Technical Specifications

Setting Parameters

Ventilation Mode: Assist-Control
Assist-Control: Triggers at less than -2 cm H2O
Flow Rate: 12-36 LPM
Breathing Rate: Adjustable. 0, 5-30 breaths per minute.
Tidal Volume: Adjustable. 200-1200 ml
Inspiratory Time: Selectable. 1 or 2 seconds
PEEP: External. 0-20 cm H2O (with PEEP adapter)
FiO2: 100%
Manometer Readout: Digital. 0-99 cm H2O
Airway Pressure Limit: Fixed. 60 cm H2O
Alarms

High Airway Pressure: Fixed. 45 cm H2O
Low Airway Pressure/Circuit Disconnect: Fixed. 9 cm H2O
Low Source Gas: Fixed. Activities at approx. 40 psi (275 kPa)
Low Battery: Activates when approx. 2 hours run time remain.
Alarm Volume: Approx 60 dB at 1 meter
Alarm Silence: Yes 110 Seconds
Power Characteristics

Power Source: Pneumatic with electronic controls and alarms
Power Input: Pneumatic. 40-87 psi O2 and 2 D cell batteries
Internal Battery Type: D cell batteries
Operating Time: Based on average adult settings of 10 BPM, 640 ml tidal volume, 2 second inspiratory time.
Oxygen: Dependent on source capacity. Approx. 65 on D cylinder.
Battery Life: 48 hours of continuous use.
Physical Characteristics

Dimensions: 3.5" x 7.0" x 9.3" (88.9 mm x 177.8 mm x 236.2 mm)
Weight: 3.1 lbs (1.4 kg) with batteries
Temperature Ranges:
Operating: -15 to 122° F (-9 to 50°C)
Storage: -40 to 140° F (-40 to 60°C)
Enclosure: ABS plastic with seals to prevent water ingress
Shock Resistance: 30" drop
Vibration Resistance: 100 G
Water Resistance: Spill and rain resistant
Anonymous
I think the US is hoping to somehow get through the spring semester without too much panic.
People in the US are so volatile. They will protest ANYTHING. Our country is very divided.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
You keep speculating about ventilators without any verified data and you are just scaring people.


+1

And annoying people who realize your numbers are BS.



REFERENCES
1. US Department of Health and Human Services. Supplement 7: antiviral drug distribution
and use. In: HHS Pandemic Influenza Plan. Washington, DC: HHS; 2005.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pdf/professionals/hhspandemicinfluenzaplan.pdf. Accessed May
3, 2018.

2. Rubinson L, Vaughn F, Nelson S, et al. Mechanical ventilators in US acute care hospitals.
Disaster Med Public Health Prep 2010;4(3):199-206. http://dx.doi.org/10.1001/dmp.2010.18.
Accessed May 3, 2018.

3. Huang HC, Araz OM, Morton DP, et al. Stockpiling ventilators for influenza pandemics.
Emerg Infect Dis 2017;23(6):914-921.

4. Malatino EM. Strategic National Stockpile: overview and ventilator assets. Respir Care
2008;53(1):91-95.

5. Ajao A, Nystrom SV, Koonin LM, et al. Assessing the capacity of the US health care system
to use additional mechanical ventilators during a large-scale public health emergency. Disaster
Med Public Health Prep 2015;9(6):634-641.
Anonymous
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events/2018_clade_x_exercise/pdfs/Clade-X-ventilator-availability-fact-sheet.pdf


The limiting factor seems to be the number of respiratory therapists. My neighbor is a respiratory therapist and she pulls long shifts and often comes home exhausted. She is over 60 years old and would be at great risk herself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:South Korea now has over 1000 cases.

Latest numbers in put them at 1,146 cases, 11 dead.


So 0.95% death rate. Less than the flu. The nutter who likes to obsess with numbers can use that until we get a better sample.


Seasonal flu has a 0.1% fatality rate, so isn't this 9x more severe than seasonal flu?


Panic super spreader strikes yet again! Hey, you will keep scaring us at this rate you can give yourself panic attack andbe the first person here needing a ventilator
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You keep speculating about ventilators without any verified data and you are just scaring people.


+1

And annoying people who realize your numbers are BS.



REFERENCES
1. US Department of Health and Human Services. Supplement 7: antiviral drug distribution
and use. In: HHS Pandemic Influenza Plan. Washington, DC: HHS; 2005.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pdf/professionals/hhspandemicinfluenzaplan.pdf. Accessed May
3, 2018.

2. Rubinson L, Vaughn F, Nelson S, et al. Mechanical ventilators in US acute care hospitals.
Disaster Med Public Health Prep 2010;4(3):199-206. http://dx.doi.org/10.1001/dmp.2010.18.
Accessed May 3, 2018.

3. Huang HC, Araz OM, Morton DP, et al. Stockpiling ventilators for influenza pandemics.
Emerg Infect Dis 2017;23(6):914-921.

4. Malatino EM. Strategic National Stockpile: overview and ventilator assets. Respir Care
2008;53(1):91-95.

5. Ajao A, Nystrom SV, Koonin LM, et al. Assessing the capacity of the US health care system
to use additional mechanical ventilators during a large-scale public health emergency. Disaster
Med Public Health Prep 2015;9(6):634-641.



So how many ventilations do we need? Where did you get that #? Super reliable data, right?


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look, I have elderly parents. Both are not in good health. The flu, a bad cold, etc, could easily be the thing that kills either one of them. I don't see this as different from coronavirus.


And your point is? Just let everyone get it and Darwin will sort them out?


I'm saying that I have elderly parents and if it's not one thing, it's another.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Medical ventilators panic superspreaders do not tell you that simple internet /google search brings tone of portable easy effective ventilators that anyone can operate after reading instructions. Just think about millions of people in private homes using one now. Many people who are paralized, cancer patients, lung issues patients, terminally ill... many many more who need one for daily living who would die without one, who don’t need a hospital stay just to be on the ventilator.

Anyone, hospital or person can buy them without a prescription.
So why hospitals could not get them now in large amounts to put lighter cases on them or even serious cases since the machines are fully capable.


First of all they are probably made in China...

Secondly... we'd need them right away! Just order like, 50,000 of them?

And then we'd need someone to care for the patients who are using them because hospitals are already stretched thin on a good day. So who do you think?

Well since schools are going to be closed, draft the Teach for America teachers who are otherwise not working. Convert the schools into overflow wards and train the young, healthy Teach for America teachers to monitor severely ill patients with pneumonia on these $300 ventilators, and give them a call button to call the respiration therapist on duty if the patients experience difficulty?

Maybe one Teacher retrainee could monitor 3 ventilator patients? What do you think?
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Anonymous wrote:CDC just issued policies including school tele-learning, telework focus, cancelling large gathering.

Better get your TP asap (though if the water is off, not sure how great that is?)


These are POSSIBLE recommendations IF we had a pandemic. Jesus, you guys have a hard time separating actual news from hypotheticals.


Please stop thinking it is a hypothetical. There WILL BE outbreaks in the United States, people WILL BE quarantined, and there WILL BE cancelations of school and social gatherings. It's just a question of when.

Other countries (except maybe Iran) are doing what they can to slow the spread of the disease, to give everyone time to prepare and to give scientists and medical professionals time to create a vaccine and treatments. The WHO doctor that just returned from China is calling for a Manhattan Project type of collaboration among scientists. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1232323122654826497.html

Everyone personally should be using this time to prepare themselves and their families - both materially and psychologically - for something they've never seen before. A complete disruption of our lives. Think the worst snowstorm to ever hit Washington - a foot of snow falling every day for a month - prepare for that. Maybe it won't happen here, but just be prepared.


The US colleges had a huge return of Chinese students studying in the US in the month of January, right in the middle of the worst of this. Can you explain why there are virtually NO cases in US colleges?


If you don't test for cases, cases do not exist.

Or I guess you could say that once again God has shown that the US is the favored nation.


The hospitals should be full of sick people needing O2 and/or vents regardless of testing.


Who need O2? Elderly? How many of those on campus?


Again, where is the epidemic?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
So how many ventilations do we need? Where did you get that #? Super reliable data, right?



The problem isn't the lack of ventilators per se although certainly at least tripling them would be great.

The problem is lack of ICU beds and staff as well.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:This disease is only two months old, of course the hospitals aren't filling up. I'm guessing Wuhan has had this virus for closer to 4 months and their hospitals did fill up. It will take some time for this virus to get entrenched.

Anyway, since we aren't testing, we have absolutely no idea if our hospitalized pneumonia patients have COVID-19 or not


Yrt if it were here and as. Bad as some would like it to be you surely would see hospitals overflown with sudden wave of mass pneumonia cases. SUDDEN WAVE. And nothing.


No, not yet. With no mitigration at all (no travel restrictions and no testing) it'd be probably another 4-6 weeks in a country as big as the US before we'd have hospitals overflowing with patients.

What we should be seeing right now is a few cases of pneumonia some severe and some deaths. If we weren't looking out for it, we'd just think it was a bad flu season. That's what's going on in Europe right now. They only know it is COVID because they started testing for it.


Can you please point out statistics this year of pneumonia cases compared to last year? Hospitals overflowing with patients? Really?
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