The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7922419/Doctor-cruise-ship-recalls-finding-toddlers-body-grandfather-dropped-her.html

So reading this new article in the dailymail has convinced me that maybe the grandpa really didn’t know it was open and really was/is that dumb. That being said, if he’s that dumb, a sign saying “Caution, these windows might be open” would not have helped. I still think the family is in the wrong.

Even if he couldn’t completely lean out of the window there was no way he didn’t know the window was open. What about the breeze in his face? The “ he didn’t know the window was open” is just a BS excuse.

The argument goes, now we know RCI is lying. What else are they hiding? Do hotels have windows that open on the 11th floor? Cha-ching. Payday.

what did rci lie about?

Staring as fact that grandpa leaned all the way out the window. Family is trying to say it wasn’t physically possible to do so.

Good thing the video proves the family are liars. Again.

The elderly, colorblind, short-statured Grandpa is likely cursed with t-rex arms as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The re-enactment makes it look even worse. In the re-enactment the man carefully has his arms folded towards himself to keep from reaching the window. That means he had that poor baby with arms stretched out holding by his fingertips A drunken fool or a murderer.
Also in the utube of deck 11 above you see a person leaning partly out of the window. So I think they choose a different window for the re enactment. The family and lawyer are scum.

And the reenactment has the man standing more than a foot away from the railing, with his butt sticking out behind him, then leaning over. If he was right in front of the railing and leaned over, he would be out. Same with the window - see how far back his butt is sticking out? It's not convincing at all, and obviously biased.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7922419/Doctor-cruise-ship-recalls-finding-toddlers-body-grandfather-dropped-her.html

So reading this new article in the dailymail has convinced me that maybe the grandpa really didn’t know it was open and really was/is that dumb. That being said, if he’s that dumb, a sign saying “Caution, these windows might be open” would not have helped. I still think the family is in the wrong.

Even if he couldn’t completely lean out of the window there was no way he didn’t know the window was open. What about the breeze in his face? The “ he didn’t know the window was open” is just a BS excuse.

The argument goes, now we know RCI is lying. What else are they hiding? Do hotels have windows that open on the 11th floor? Cha-ching. Payday.

what did rci lie about?

Staring as fact that grandpa leaned all the way out the window. Family is trying to say it wasn’t physically possible to do so.

They must not have watched the video that shows he, in fact, did look all the way out the window. Then picked up that sweet baby girl.

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I’ve been thinking a lot about her poor brother and pray that he’s getting therapy.

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I’m thinking grandpa was so high on a combination drugs and alcohol that he doesn’t even remember clearly what happened. The beginning of the video shows Chloe far ahead of him scampering through the crowds — all right in itself if not the best. But then came an even bigger lapse in judgement. Just the kind of judgement someone blotto makes. Experienced alcoholics can hide it well.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking grandpa was so high on a combination drugs and alcohol that he doesn’t even remember clearly what happened. The beginning of the video shows Chloe far ahead of him scampering through the crowds — all right in itself if not the best. But then came an even bigger lapse in judgement. Just the kind of judgement someone blotto makes. Experienced alcoholics can hide it well.

As you said here, when Chloe was far ahead of Grandpa , I was also thinking about the time he spent leaning over out the window and didn't have his eyes on her at all. That was a long time to take your eyes off of a baby running around in a crowded public area. Just that alone was negligent. Of course, she would have had much better chances of surviving his stupidity if he never looked at her or picked her up. At some point, someone would have taken care of her and gotten her back to her parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking grandpa was so high on a combination drugs and alcohol that he doesn’t even remember clearly what happened. The beginning of the video shows Chloe far ahead of him scampering through the crowds — all right in itself if not the best. But then came an even bigger lapse in judgement. Just the kind of judgement someone blotto makes. Experienced alcoholics can hide it well.

As you said here, when Chloe was far ahead of Grandpa , I was also thinking about the time he spent leaning over out the window and didn't have his eyes on her at all. That was a long time to take your eyes off of a baby running around in a crowded public area. Just that alone was negligent. Of course, she would have had much better chances of surviving his stupidity if he never looked at her or picked her up. At some point, someone would have taken care of her and gotten her back to her parents.

This. If only she had run off and gotten lost. She’d be alive today.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been thinking a lot about her poor brother and pray that he’s getting therapy.

+1 It's going to be horrible when he's older and reads about all of this.

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Did the grandfather refuse a breathalyzer?

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Anonymous wrote:The family is just making themselves look to be bigger and bigger POS. They need to give it up. Their child is dead because of the idiot grandfather. The videos that were released make it so obvious. They are grainy as F but you can STILL see him CLEAR AS DAY, lean out the window himself and then lift her up. He 1000000000000% knew the window was open. They need to give it up. They are out for a pay day instead of mourning their deAd child and it’s disgusting.

I honestly don’t know it’s totally about a pay day. I think it’s more about being validated and confirming in an objective court of law that the blame lies with RC rather than the grandfather. If RC is at fault then they can blame them for their loss instead of their relative. I’m not saying the grandfather isn’t at fault—I’m putting myself in their shoes and I can’t imagine the pain of losing a child and having to reconcile that my relative was at fault. It’s much easier to blame, hate and vilify the company rather than the grandfather (from their perspective).

I don't think it's about a payday at all (although that would be an added bonus). I think the family is suing RCI and hoping that RCI caves to avoiding any negative publicity by settling prior to the case going to court. I think the intention is to get any type of concession from RCI that will keep grandpa out of prison. I think that the LEO dad and public prosecutor mom realized that grandpa was likely going to be accused of some level of homicide (in this case negligent homicide) and that the best bet to avoid a conviction and prison time would be for them to sue RCI and get a settlement and to use the fact of a settlement to show that RCI realized that grandpa wasn't at fault, even if they don't admit guilt.

They weren't counting on the huge public backlash against them and that RCI would choose to fight the case in the court of public opinion (most large companies try to avoid public battles and negative publicity as much as possible) and that their plan is backfiring on them. At this point, the are past the point of no return and they have to continue with the lawsuit. If they drop the lawsuit they are essentially committing grandpa to prison and probably at the maximum for sentencing guidelines for whatever he is convicted of.

It's a good theory, but it's not in line with the facts.

The Puerto Rican prosecutors have said they will give him a deal where all he gets is probation that he can serve in Indiana if he just pleads guilty to some sort of child endangerment. And still he won't take it. I think your theory is right--- but backwards.... they want the payout and that's why he won't plead guilty! If he pleads guilty, then that undermines their case for a big payout from Royal Carib. b/c RC will say: Anello admitted he endangered the child! I know it is hard to imagine, but I think the parents have two sets of things going on --- their heart is surely broken for the loss of their child. But, their mind is thinking: someone has to PAY for what we have been through. Obviously, Anello isn't going to pay them. So they naturally look at the biggest pockets and think of RC as an amorphous, non-personal entity to blame. Someone in the thread said that Chloe was a fertility baby. I don't know if that is true.... but it makes some sense given that she was notably younger than her brother. If she was the result of fertility efforts, then all the more likely that they subconsciously think of the child as the product of money/time/effort spent trying to get pregnant (in addition to the heartbreak of losing her). When you get past the initial shock, you start to think: I was wronged and someone needs to pay. They want the payout. That's why Anello won't take the very generous plead deal offered.

The PR prosecutors can't just wash their hands and say: no problem, we'll dismiss the charges b/c you feel bad. They have an obligation to protect the children in their jurisdiction and prosecute people who put children's lives at risk -- especially when the risk resulted in death.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7922419/Doctor-cruise-ship-recalls-finding-toddlers-body-grandfather-dropped-her.html

So reading this new article in the dailymail has convinced me that maybe the grandpa really didn’t know it was open and really was/is that dumb. That being said, if he’s that dumb, a sign saying “Caution, these windows might be open” would not have helped. I still think the family is in the wrong.

That article just convinces me grandpa’s first reaction was to lie to take blame off himself. It is a natural reaction. People do it all the time. Your gut reaction to something horrible happening is to deny it was your fault. I do not blame him for his initial reaction. But I do blame him for continuing with the lie. It is time to step up, admit you made a bad decision and ask for forgiveness.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7922419/Doctor-cruise-ship-recalls-finding-toddlers-body-grandfather-dropped-her.html

So reading this new article in the dailymail has convinced me that maybe the grandpa really didn’t know it was open and really was/is that dumb. That being said, if he’s that dumb, a sign saying “Caution, these windows might be open” would not have helped. I still think the family is in the wrong.

That article just convinces me grandpa’s first reaction was to lie to take blame off himself. It is a natural reaction. People do it all the time. Your gut reaction to something horrible happening is to deny it was your fault. I do not blame him for his initial reaction. But I do blame him for continuing with the lie. It is time to step up, admit you made a bad decision and ask for forgiveness.

Why does this article call him “elderly”? He’s 51, FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7922419/Doctor-cruise-ship-recalls-finding-toddlers-body-grandfather-dropped-her.html

So reading this new article in the dailymail has convinced me that maybe the grandpa really didn’t know it was open and really was/is that dumb. That being said, if he’s that dumb, a sign saying “Caution, these windows might be open” would not have helped. I still think the family is in the wrong.

That article just convinces me grandpa’s first reaction was to lie to take blame off himself. It is a natural reaction. People do it all the time. Your gut reaction to something horrible happening is to deny it was your fault. I do not blame him for his initial reaction. But I do blame him for continuing with the lie. It is time to step up, admit you made a bad decision and ask for forgiveness.

Why does this article call him “elderly”? He’s 51, FFS.

Because they clearly got their information from the family's lawyer and are using his words. The lawyer and the family think people will be more sympathetic towards Anello if they view him as a feeble and old grandfather, and not just a regular middle aged dude. If he had been a 51 year old uncle, they wouldn't have a story. "Grandpa" gives them that angle.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the grandfather refuse a breathalyzer?

This isn't known, one way or the other.

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Isn’t the railing, which seems to be 12-18 inches from the windows from the photos, the deterrent? No sign should be needed, as the gap from the railing to the window would be sufficient, safety-wise.

He placed the toddler in a dangerous situation with an utterly tragic result.