The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.


But...no one could have fallen out of that window unless they climbed up on the rail (or they were held over).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.


Why is having a window open a problem for a cruise ship and not other buildings? ie maybe there shouldn't be any windows AT ALL in buildings (condos, office etc) that are more than 2 stories high because people might climb over the railing and fall, or lean out and drop their baby.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.


Why is having a window open a problem for a cruise ship and not other buildings? ie maybe there shouldn't be any windows AT ALL in buildings (condos, office etc) that are more than 2 stories high because people might climb over the railing and fall, or lean out and drop their baby.


+1 fighting against open windows is crazy. Suppose we should abolish balconies too? Open decks?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.


I agree it's unsafe. However, we generally tolerate a fair bit of unsafe behavior. Is an open window so dangerous that we need to regulate them?
Anonymous
About 18 people die annually by falling off cruise ships. Sometimes suicide, sometimes homicide, most often drunken accidents. It just doesn't usually involve a kid.

There is a degree of risk when you are at a height and in open spaces on large bodies of water. There is risk everywhere in life. Not a lot of room for error on a cruise ship. If you go over, you are probably dead.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.


Why is having a window open a problem for a cruise ship and not other buildings? ie maybe there shouldn't be any windows AT ALL in buildings (condos, office etc) that are more than 2 stories high because people might climb over the railing and fall, or lean out and drop their baby.


Newer tall buildings do not have windows that open. Only older buildings do.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.


Why is having a window open a problem for a cruise ship and not other buildings? ie maybe there shouldn't be any windows AT ALL in buildings (condos, office etc) that are more than 2 stories high because people might climb over the railing and fall, or lean out and drop their baby.


Newer tall buildings do not have windows that open. Only older buildings do.


Windows that don't open are more energy efficient. Windows that don't open are cheaper. So, I don't follow your vague argument.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.


Why is having a window open a problem for a cruise ship and not other buildings? ie maybe there shouldn't be any windows AT ALL in buildings (condos, office etc) that are more than 2 stories high because people might climb over the railing and fall, or lean out and drop their baby.


Exactly, just because an open window makes it *possible* for an idiot (or horrible person) to lean out a window and drop a small child out of it does not mean that the open window is a danger. It simply means that an individual chose to behave in an extraordinarily dangerous manner.

Grandpa was the risk, not the window. It's possible to stab a small child with your steak knife but, thankfully, that is not something we would ever do.
Anonymous
As a grandfather of little ones whom I adore, there is no punishment of jail time or anything else than would be worse than what I would be going through. I’m emotionally stable but suicide is an option I would seriously consider. I couldn’t face my child for taking the life of her child despite it being an accident.
Anonymous
Why do people here keep assuming this was a tragic accident instead of a deliberate crime? This man had absolutely no blood relationship to this child or to any of this family. Why should he be treated more gently than if a complete stranger on the cruise committed the same act?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As a grandfather of little ones whom I adore, there is no punishment of jail time or anything else than would be worse than what I would be going through. I’m emotionally stable but suicide is an option I would seriously consider. I couldn’t face my child for taking the life of her child despite it being an accident.


Then try not to hold them out a cruise ship window.

People are fortunately held accountable for their negligence in this country.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As a grandfather of little ones whom I adore, there is no punishment of jail time or anything else than would be worse than what I would be going through. I’m emotionally stable but suicide is an option I would seriously consider. I couldn’t face my child for taking the life of her child despite it being an accident.


+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep assuming this was a tragic accident instead of a deliberate crime? This man had absolutely no blood relationship to this child or to any of this family. Why should he be treated more gently than if a complete stranger on the cruise committed the same act?


I still can't get over the video. It just looks bizarre...even mores than the fact that he is even holding a baby out an open window. At one point it looks like he's only holding or dangling her with one hand as it looks like his other hand/arm is inside. How do you even hold a child at that age with one hand?

Holding her while she stood on the railing would have been one thing (and still stupid and dangerous of course), but it's like he was doing something even more bizarre.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Atty for Anello: He added that the family wants to “turn their focus to mourning Chloe and fighting for cruise passenger safety by raising awareness about the need for all common carriers to adhere to window fall prevention laws designed to protect children from falling from windows.”

Translation: the family wants to focus on their lawsuit against RC and getting a huge pay day.


I actually agree that having for the cruise ship to have a window open, even with a railing and with no previous accidents, seems unsafe.



Did you look at the video? you wouldn't say that if you had actually watched it. Remember also, it was in an adult's bar area and the window was very high. Anello had to pick up the child, put her over, and held her there for 36 seconds before dropping here. Or are you now arguing that no window on any ship can ever be open again?
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