The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The family is just making themselves look to be bigger and bigger POS. They need to give it up. Their child is dead because of the idiot grandfather. The videos that were released make it so obvious. They are grainy as F but you can STILL see him CLEAR AS DAY, lean out the window himself and then lift her up. He 1000000000000% knew the window was open. They need to give it up. They are out for a pay day instead of mourning their deAd child and it’s disgusting.

I honestly don’t know it’s totally about a pay day. I think it’s more about being validated and confirming in an objective court of law that the blame lies with RC rather than the grandfather. If RC is at fault then they can blame them for their loss instead of their relative. I’m not saying the grandfather isn’t at fault—I’m putting myself in their shoes and I can’t imagine the pain of losing a child and having to reconcile that my relative was at fault. It’s much easier to blame, hate and vilify the company rather than the grandfather (from their perspective).

I don't think it's about a payday at all (although that would be an added bonus). I think the family is suing RCI and hoping that RCI caves to avoiding any negative publicity by settling prior to the case going to court. I think the intention is to get any type of concession from RCI that will keep grandpa out of prison. I think that the LEO dad and public prosecutor mom realized that grandpa was likely going to be accused of some level of homicide (in this case negligent homicide) and that the best bet to avoid a conviction and prison time would be for them to sue RCI and get a settlement and to use the fact of a settlement to show that RCI realized that grandpa wasn't at fault, even if they don't admit guilt.

They weren't counting on the huge public backlash against them and that RCI would choose to fight the case in the court of public opinion (most large companies try to avoid public battles and negative publicity as much as possible) and that their plan is backfiring on them. At this point, the are past the point of no return and they have to continue with the lawsuit. If they drop the lawsuit they are essentially committing grandpa to prison and probably at the maximum for sentencing guidelines for whatever he is convicted of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous[b wrote:]The family is just making themselves look to be bigger and bigger POS.[/b] They need to give it up. Their child is dead because of the idiot grandfather. The videos that were released make it so obvious. They are grainy as F but you can STILL see him CLEAR AS DAY, lean out the window himself and then lift her up. He 1000000000000% knew the window was open. They need to give it up. They are out for a pay day instead of mourning their deAd child and it’s disgusting.

Now I'm just wondering if this wasn't all planned for the money. They are POS people.

This.

He is not a biological grandfather, he is the boyfriend of the grandmother, or possibly a second husband. It is not clear that he has ANY experience supervising young children at all.

WHY would a former prosecutor and a current LEO advise the murderer of their toddler to refuse a breathalyzer?

He looks far older than his age, I suspect he is an alcoholic.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know what the sentencing guidelines are if he’s convicted?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7922419/Doctor-cruise-ship-recalls-finding-toddlers-body-grandfather-dropped-her.html

So reading this new article in the dailymail has convinced me that maybe the grandpa really didn’t know it was open and really was/is that dumb. That being said, if he’s that dumb, a sign saying “Caution, these windows might be open” would not have helped. I still think the family is in the wrong.

Even if he couldn’t completely lean out of the window there was no way he didn’t know the window was open. What about the breeze in his face? The “ he didn’t know the window was open” is just a BS excuse.

The argument goes, now we know RCI is lying. What else are they hiding? Do hotels have windows that open on the 11th floor? Cha-ching. Payday.

what did rci lie about?

Staring as fact that grandpa leaned all the way out the window. Family is trying to say it wasn’t physically possible to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]The family is just making themselves look to be bigger and bigger POS.[/b] They need to give it up. Their child is dead because of the idiot grandfather. The videos that were released make it so obvious. They are grainy as F but you can STILL see him CLEAR AS DAY, lean out the window himself and then lift her up. He 1000000000000% knew the window was open. They need to give it up. They are out for a pay day instead of mourning their deAd child and it’s disgusting.

Now I'm just wondering if this wasn't all planned for the money. They are POS people.

Absolutely. Is the father still working as a police officer? that's a scary thought, that this man who is so willing to lie for his own financial benefit is actually paid to enforce other people following the law!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]The family is just making themselves look to be bigger and bigger POS.[/b] They need to give it up. Their child is dead because of the idiot grandfather. The videos that were released make it so obvious. They are grainy as F but you can STILL see him CLEAR AS DAY, lean out the window himself and then lift her up. He 1000000000000% knew the window was open. They need to give it up. They are out for a pay day instead of mourning their deAd child and it’s disgusting.

Now I'm just wondering if this wasn't all planned for the money. They are POS people.

Absolutely. Is the father still working as a police officer? that's a scary thought, that this man who is so willing to lie for his own financial benefit is actually paid to enforce other people following the law!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAA.....you don't know any police officers personally, do you? "Brotherhood of the Blue" is real.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The family has filed a frivolous lawsuit and abound be held accountable.

The mother is an attorney.

The video shows with 100 percent certainty the grand father knew the window was open. He leaned out a couple of times.

he family’s contention is RC chose the two camera angles that favor them to release and that the other 11 cameras show a different view that would support their claims. Maybe RC should release the other 11 views and prove the family wrong.

How would that really help them? All it takes is one camera angle to show the truth. There’s no disputing his head was out the window even if it wasn’t visible in the 11 other angles. It’s like when the police look at any picture/video. They look at all angles and they zoom in. So in 11 angles you can’t tell he’s leaning out, but in 2 it’s indisputable that he is.

The more these people fight this and dig in the more they prove they are just despicable money grubbing terrible people.

Yep. Just like the 'replays' sports officials look at when trying to determine if a call is correct.

+1

No sane person goes the PR route when they are clearly at fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think they're pushing it hard to get the settlement before the grandfather is finding guilty in Puerto Rico's criminal court.

+1

The family needs to back away slowly, not try to drum up more attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He's not "elderly!" He's 51! He's overweight and possibly obese, but he's not "elderly."

I suspect we'll find out that his supposed "color blindness" is a new discovery ( like "less distinction in determining color" but not actual color blindness. )

The parents' lawyer likes to play fast and loose with facts.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]The family is just making themselves look to be bigger and bigger POS.[/b] They need to give it up. Their child is dead because of the idiot grandfather. The videos that were released make it so obvious. They are grainy as F but you can STILL see him CLEAR AS DAY, lean out the window himself and then lift her up. He 1000000000000% knew the window was open. They need to give it up. They are out for a pay day instead of mourning their deAd child and it’s disgusting.

Now I'm just wondering if this wasn't all planned for the money. They are POS people.

This.

He is not a biological grandfather, he is the boyfriend of the grandmother, or possibly a second husband. It is not clear that he has ANY experience supervising young children at all.

WHY would a former prosecutor and a current LEO advise the murderer of their toddler to refuse a breathalyzer?

He looks far older than his age, I suspect he is an alcoholic.

OMG. Why are you so invested in coming back to post this over and over again? It's not been reported anywhere outside of this thread, but it just keeps coming back.

Yep just searched again. Only other "reports" are other forum detectives posting what they heard/think/guess etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The family is just making themselves look to be bigger and bigger POS. They need to give it up. Their child is dead because of the idiot grandfather. The videos that were released make it so obvious. They are grainy as F but you can STILL see him CLEAR AS DAY, lean out the window himself and then lift her up. He 1000000000000% knew the window was open. They need to give it up. They are out for a pay day instead of mourning their deAd child and it’s disgusting.

I honestly don’t know it’s totally about a pay day. I think it’s more about being validated and confirming in an objective court of law that the blame lies with RC rather than the grandfather. If RC is at fault then they can blame them for their loss instead of their relative. I’m not saying the grandfather isn’t at fault—I’m putting myself in their shoes and I can’t imagine the pain of losing a child and having to reconcile that my relative was at fault. It’s much easier to blame, hate and vilify the company rather than the grandfather (from their perspective).

I don't think it's about a payday at all (although that would be an added bonus). I think the family is suing RCI and hoping that RCI caves to avoiding any negative publicity by settling prior to the case going to court. I think the intention is to get any type of concession from RCI that will keep grandpa out of prison. I think that the LEO dad and public prosecutor mom realized that grandpa was likely going to be accused of some level of homicide (in this case negligent homicide) and that the best bet to avoid a conviction and prison time would be for them to sue RCI and get a settlement and to use the fact of a settlement to show that RCI realized that grandpa wasn't at fault, even if they don't admit guilt.

They weren't counting on the huge public backlash against them and that RCI would choose to fight the case in the court of public opinion (most large companies try to avoid public battles and negative publicity as much as possible) and that their plan is backfiring on them. At this point, the are past the point of no return and they have to continue with the lawsuit. If they drop the lawsuit they are essentially committing grandpa to prison and probably at the maximum for sentencing guidelines for whatever he is convicted of.

This was my thinking too.

[Anonymous]

They have definitely miscalculated and feel like they can’t turn back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7922419/Doctor-cruise-ship-recalls-finding-toddlers-body-grandfather-dropped-her.html

So reading this new article in the dailymail has convinced me that maybe the grandpa really didn’t know it was open and really was/is that dumb. That being said, if he’s that dumb, a sign saying “Caution, these windows might be open” would not have helped. I still think the family is in the wrong.

Even if he couldn’t completely lean out of the window there was no way he didn’t know the window was open. What about the breeze in his face? The “ he didn’t know the window was open” is just a BS excuse.

The argument goes, now we know RCI is lying. What else are they hiding? Do hotels have windows that open on the 11th floor? Cha-ching. Payday.

what did rci lie about?

Staring as fact that grandpa leaned all the way out the window. Family is trying to say it wasn’t physically possible to do so.

The FAMILY SAID IT??? Those people are lying liars who lie.

[Anonymous]

The re-enactment makes it look even worse. In the re-enactment the man carefully has his arms folded towards himself to keep from reaching the window. That means he had that poor baby with arms stretched out holding by his fingertips A drunken fool or a murderer.
Also in the utube of deck 11 above you see a person leaning partly out of the window. So I think they choose a different window for the re enactment. The family and lawyer are scum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7922419/Doctor-cruise-ship-recalls-finding-toddlers-body-grandfather-dropped-her.html

So reading this new article in the dailymail has convinced me that maybe the grandpa really didn’t know it was open and really was/is that dumb. That being said, if he’s that dumb, a sign saying “Caution, these windows might be open” would not have helped. I still think the family is in the wrong.

Even if he couldn’t completely lean out of the window there was no way he didn’t know the window was open. What about the breeze in his face? The “ he didn’t know the window was open” is just a BS excuse.

The argument goes, now we know RCI is lying. What else are they hiding? Do hotels have windows that open on the 11th floor? Cha-ching. Payday.

what did rci lie about?

Staring as fact that grandpa leaned all the way out the window. Family is trying to say it wasn’t physically possible to do so.

Good thing the video proves the family are liars. Again.