New Year Eve's Coordinated Sexual Assault Attacks in Cologne

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well these guys are horn as hell, let's face it after their long journey with no female companionship. And sexual repressed anyway back in their home countries. So here"s an idea. The brothels are legal in Germany. AND Merkel, since she is so welcoming to this group, could give them vouchers, paid from the public funds, for visits to the brothels. Might fix some of this problem.

Horny

OK, you're just a troll. A caveman troll.

Huh? What's wrong with my idea. I thought it was a good idea. Good for the horny refugees and good for Germany's sex wirkers. Win, win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well these guys are horn as hell, let's face it after their long journey with no female companionship. And sexual repressed anyway back in their home countries. So here"s an idea. The brothels are legal in Germany. AND Merkel, since she is so welcoming to this group, could give them vouchers, paid from the public funds, for visits to the brothels. Might fix some of this problem.

Horny

OK, you're just a troll. A caveman troll.

Huh? What's wrong with my idea. I thought it was a good idea. Good for the horny refugees and good for Germany's sex wirkers. Win, win.

Workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

I don't want to stop immigration/asylum at all, but I too would like to hear ideas besides a couple of night classes on Western sexuality and views on women's equality. I think the problem is prevalent enough that it deserves a broader approach. I don't know what that approach would be, though.

[Anonymous]

^ well I don't think we need to be vulgar about this. The poor men are horny as hell and sexual repressed in their own countries. I've been over there and India and I've seen it. They love to touch white women
Merkel I guess just didn't know this or fully appreciate it when she invited them all in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

That's what I can't wrap my head around. I just can't see the benefit to Germany. Aren't governments supposed to do what's best for their citizens? The only argument I hear is the one about shrinking populations. Honestly, with the number of people in the world now, and the near certainty that a lot of low skill jobs are going to be automated, any argument about needing a growing population is insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

Wtf? Are you a man? Or something? Do you know that there are homegrown rapists right here and in Germany, too? What is this obsession with refugees as if they're the first men to commit rape? Find the attackers. Punish appropriately. Hell, hold classes in appropriate behavior by men - frankly, there are huge numbers of native born men who could use them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

Wtf? Are you a man? Or something? Do you know that there are homegrown rapists right here and in Germany, too? What is this obsession with refugees as if they're the first men to commit rape? Find the attackers. Punish appropriately. Hell, hold classes in appropriate behavior by men - frankly, there are huge numbers of native born men who could use them.

Are you seriously acting as if this is normal behavior?! Look at this video. All attacks are from refugees or immigrants. I have a young daughter and I don't want to have to "teach" refugees and immigrants about life lessons and why it's not OK to rape and molest people. If they don't know that by the time they get here, then I don't want them coming! This whole thing scares me. Btw none of my Muslim friends are defending this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HOB4J8xl4BQ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

Wtf? Are you a man? Or something? Do you know that there are homegrown rapists right here and in Germany, too? What is this obsession with refugees as if they're the first men to commit rape? Find the attackers. Punish appropriately. Hell, hold classes in appropriate behavior by men - frankly, there are huge numbers of native born men who could use them.

Don't mix in our local men with these animals. Europe had never had a massive attsck like that till those animals came in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

Wtf? Are you a man? Or something? Do you know that there are homegrown rapists right here and in Germany, too? What is this obsession with refugees as if they're the first men to commit rape? Find the attackers. Punish appropriately. Hell, hold classes in appropriate behavior by men - frankly, there are huge numbers of native born men who could use them.

I'm a woman and you're obviously a man with that ridiculous attitude. Of course ALL criminals need appropriate consequences, but Germans should NOT fund the prison life of migrant criminals. Why should they?

Migrant RAPISTS don't care about your cultural standards of respectful behavior towards women. Who do you think you're fooling? They know what they've always known, and that's that. They've been taught and shown since birth that WOMEN are to be OWNED.

Does anyone seriously imagine one of these barbarians coming out of a cultural training class saying, "I didn't know I wasn't supposed attack and grab the pants off of young women and punch and bruise their private parts as they screamed"?

Or "I didn't know I wasn't suppose to steal cell phones"?

Enough is enough. Shame on you!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, when you start hurling vulgarities at a whole bunch of different women that are genuinely very offended and distressed at what you said, and who have not said the same vulgarities and some who even apologized to you earlier when you complained of being picked on, it's time to reconsider and at least try to see where they are coming from. Throwing f bombs is just a new low level.

No it was not "a whole bunch of different women". It was one poster -- apparently female -- who attacked me twice and who was clearly seeking a fight. I've been trying to see where a lot of different posters (I never know their sex for sure) are coming from. There are even women who are reluctant to join this thread because of the reactions any opinion that is a little bit different provokes. A man is an easy target. Instead of responding to ideas I am presenting, just pick a phrase that doesn't meet your approval. That's the easy way of avoiding a discussion and "winning" a debate. Of course that pisses me off.

in your eyes on so many levels as well
Poor, poor men!


In this case, I'd defend any woman's right to pick a goddamn fight considering that this is a clear case of sexual assault. Every woman has a right to be outraged. What if one of the German women had been your daughter? your wife? your sister? "Oh hon, it's not his fault. He just needs a bit of retraining b/c he's been a victim of culture shock."

Women are victims, and NO class will ever train those animals in Cologne (or any other place for that matter where women are viewed as pieces of meat) to view women as equals.

How PC have your responses been in regard to this matter? Fuck PC, I say. PC keeps the status quo b/c it creates too much fear in people to resurrect the ugly truths about humanity. We've gone too far with PC.

But it was indeed PC of you to bring up classes, right? b/c you feared that we'd go down the "refugee route"

Well there's some truth to how culture shapes our views, right? You'd agree to that.

Yes, we have Universal Declaration on Human Rights. and what stemmed from it - Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women

Article 5 pertains here. - (a)

To modify the social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women, with a view to achieving the elimination of prejudices and customary and all other practices which are based on the idea of the inferiority or the superiority of either of the sexes or on stereotyped roles for men and women

And the measures agreed upon urge that

". . . States parties effectively to adopt education and public information programmes, which will help eliminate prejudices and current practices that hinder the full operation of the principle of the social equality of women.

which all circles back to your "course" suggestion

So in the meantime, we must continue to make excuses for their behavior (brought on by some cultural clash) while we design modules that train men to keep their penises in their pants and their hands to themselves.

such bullshit!

my main question - Why should a HOST country be responsible for these educational programs? And if these host countries must TRAIN these men to keep their dicks in their pants, isn't there something inherently wrong with this thinking - especially if viewed through a PC lens?

After all, who are we (any host country) to "judge" cultural beliefs? If a man rules the roost in country X, shouldn't we "honor" that?

Hell, I would. Just keep your "men" in your country and away from my enlightened sisters - and brothers, for that matter.

Well, first of all I should warn you that F bombs are apparently frowned upon in this discussion. Though something tells me you will have less critics than I did. I would like to have a discussion with you, but I am not interested in discussing straw men, mischaracterizations, falsehood, and outright lies. If you want to argue with a figment of your imagination, please do it some place else.

I am not the one who suggested classes or first brought them up in the discussion. Classes are not the only option I suggest as a response. Classes were merely something that came up in the discussion and an idea with which I concur. Are you as strongly opposed to the classes regarding sexual assault that are now standard on many US college campuses? Are you similarly opposed to the sexual discrimination training that is required by many US corporations?

I disagree with you that men cannot be reached via education and persuasion. Maybe not all, but some.

I don't think holding all refugees or all members of a religion or all members of an ethnicity responsible for the acts of some is reasonable. Similarly, I don't agree with assigning certain negative characteristics to all members of any of these groups.

I'm not sure why you are bringing up the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, but certainly I agree with it. I'm confused why you seem to be attacking me for supporting ideas that are outlined in it. Are you opposed to the Convention?

I make no excuses for sexual assault by anyone against anyone. At no point have I suggested cultural beliefs shouldn't be judged.

The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs.

Basically, we can work together to oppose and perhaps even prevent sexual assault, or we can fight about refugees. Which seems like the most productive course?

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Steele -

Fuck you. Learn to read before you get around to insults. At no point did I say anything about how women should view sexual assault. I merely discussed options for addressing it. If only women can discuss women's issues and the problem in this instance is men, by your logic, only men should be discussing it. Are you trying to "womansplain" why men are engaging in criminal behavior (which is what I actually called this in an earlier tweet)?

I didn't tell you to fuck off, did I? I said to fuck PC. You, however, told another poster to fuck off. There's a difference, and you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

Wtf? Are you a man? Or something? Do you know that there are homegrown rapists right here and in Germany, too? What is this obsession with refugees as if they're the first men to commit rape? Find the attackers. Punish appropriately. Hell, hold classes in appropriate behavior by men - frankly, there are huge numbers of native born men who could use them.

Don't mix in our local men with these animals. Europe had never had a massive attsck like that till those animals came in.

+1. Totally different attitude towards women in general, and particularly towards white women, who they regard as being loose and legitimate target for easy pickings. Because hey they're just white and therefore trash.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In this case there is a direct link between the massive sexual assaults and he culture of the men. We now know the perps spanned Syria , Afghanistan, Iraq ,
Morocco, Algeria. We know the perps taunted police and many were recent asylum seekers in the country. Some peeps even taunted the police ripping up residency cards and saying Merkel invited us in. There are reports that police feared people would die in the crowd.

You are telling us to ignore the refugee factor in this case of horrific sexual assault. However when the refugee asylum factor is so plainly evident, it just makes you seem as though you first excused their behavior by citing their culture and ignoring the true victims, the women that were brutalized that night. If you were sincere about fighting this type of sexual assault you would definitely take into consideration this clear factor link and the discussion around it until it was disproved.

I am not telling you to ignore the refugee factor. I'm just suggesting that you don't blame all refugees for actions by a few. Your idea that we should blame an entire group until "it was disproved" seems backward to me.

I note that you left out of your list of perps the Germans and the American. If you concentrate just on refugees or Arabs, won't the Germans and the American get free rides? Why not focus on the issue of sexual assault and treat them all the same?

NYT - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/world/europe/cologne-new-years-eve-attacks.html?_r=0
18 Asylum Seekers are Tied to Attacks on Women in Germany

18 of the 31 attackers were seeking asylum. They make up over half of the rapists. But I guess 18 is such a SMALL number statistically, right?

Rape and child abuse 'are rife in German refugee camps': Unsegregated conditions blamed as women are 'seen as fair game' in overcrowded migrant centres
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247831/Rape-child-abuse-rife-overcrowded-asylum-centres-huge-surge-migrants-pushes-Germany-s-services-breaking-point-claim-womens-rights-groups-politicians.html

A culture of rape and sexual abuse is being allowed to take hold in asylum centres across Germany as Europe struggles to cope with the migrant crisis, it has been alleged,
Women’s rights groups and politicians have highlighted assaults against women and children in at least one camp.

And they suggest such incidents may be widespread, with many going unreported to the police.

Campaigners also claimed some men saw unaccompanied women as ‘fair game’, and also blamed conditions in which occupants were unsegregated by gender or nationality.

[Anonymous]

Germany must send back the criminals to their women and children at home. Pronto.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

+1000
This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

Exactly how do you expect to stop the attacks if you don't stop the attackers?

Why import the attackers in the first place?

Wtf? Are you a man? Or something? Do you know that there are homegrown rapists right here and in Germany, too? What is this obsession with refugees as if they're the first men to commit rape? Find the attackers. Punish appropriately. Hell, hold classes in appropriate behavior by men - frankly, there are huge numbers of native born men who could use them.

I'm a woman and you're obviously a man with that ridiculous attitude. Of course ALL criminals need appropriate consequences, but Germans should NOT fund the prison life of migrant criminals. Why should they?

Migrant RAPISTS don't care about your cultural standards of respectful behavior towards women. Who do you think you're fooling? They know what they've always known, and that's that. They've been taught and shown since birth that WOMEN are to be OWNED.

Does anyone seriously imagine one of these barbarians coming out of a cultural training class saying, "I didn't know I wasn't supposed attack and grab the pants off of young women and punch and bruise their private parts as they screamed"?

Or "I didn't know I wasn't suppose to steal cell phones"?

Enough is enough. Shame on you!

Sorry to disappoint; I am a woman. Shame on you. I don't believe you're a woman, FWIW. Why should they "fund" the "prison life"? What are you suggesting for them, immediate death? Deportation? So they can get really radicalized and come back? Legit reasoning.