New Year Eve's Coordinated Sexual Assault Attacks in Cologne

[Anonymous]

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And what were the German men doing while their women were being assaulted ... rallying round the bar for another mug of Dortmunder Union?

Sad to think that this was likely the mindset of the perpetrators; that women who dare to be out without male family escort "had it coming" to them.

Outside bastions of political correctness, women look to the men who love them to protect them from random males sexually assaulting them. [Since they did such a good job of protecting themselves]. Outside of bastions of political correctness, full of preening metrosexuals, men do protect the women they love. But the German men were too busy at whatever they were doing so sweet wife was on her own.

Exactly. Men have become so feminized that they can't protect the women around them. Some serious ass kicking was needed a la the three Americans on the train who took down the man with the gun. Muslim men are not good at one to one combat -- that is why Middle Eastern countries can never have an effective military. They don't aim to shoot someone as it could be their "cousin," thrice removed. They like scatter shot approach to warfare (such as the Muslims who recently shot into the crowd in California). They are too chicken shit to attack a woman individually, so they do it in gangs. If one German man had the sense to kick one of these perps in the balls, it would have made a difference. Never mind a code of conduct for German women, teach German men how to defend women and themselves.

Holy carp, are you saying that women shouldn't expect to be able to walk around unaccompanied by her gun-slinging brother or father? Have I just been transplanted to Saudi Arabia?

Not to mention your racist generalizations about cowardice.

What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong with me. What might be wrong with you is that you do not understand Middle Eastern men. If you want to think their legendary cowardice brands me as racist, so be it.

Oh, I probably understand Middle Eastern men better than you, I'm sure. When I studied in Europe a few decades ago I had to run a gauntlet of *some* North Africans making lewd suggestions every day in the cafeteria. Meanwhile I dated an (atheist Berber) North African who was completely respectful.

What also appalled me about your post was your suggestion that I need a gun-toting male relative to protect me every time I go out. Is that how you do things in Texas, or have I been teleported to KSA?

you studied in Europe but reading comprehension eludes you. No mention of guns or Texas or male escorts. Simply said current men are useless in crowd scenes because they do not have the guts to oppose men attacking women or even men being attacked by men. Witness recent incidents on DC's redline Metro. Incidentally how did it work out with the respectful Berber atheist after he bedded you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

And what were the German men doing while their women were being assaulted ... rallying round the bar for another mug of Dortmunder Union?

Sad to think that this was likely the mindset of the perpetrators; that women who dare to be out without male family escort "had it coming" to them.

Outside bastions of political correctness, women look to the men who love them to protect them from random males sexually assaulting them. [Since they did such a good job of protecting themselves]. Outside of bastions of political correctness, full of preening metrosexuals, men do protect the women they love. But the German men were too busy at whatever they were doing so sweet wife was on her own.

Exactly. Men have become so feminized that they can't protect the women around them. Some serious ass kicking was needed a la the three Americans on the train who took down the man with the gun. Muslim men are not good at one to one combat -- that is why Middle Eastern countries can never have an effective military. They don't aim to shoot someone as it could be their "cousin," thrice removed. They like scatter shot approach to warfare (such as the Muslims who recently shot into the crowd in California). They are too chicken shit to attack a woman individually, so they do it in gangs. If one German man had the sense to kick one of these perps in the balls, it would have made a difference. Never mind a code of conduct for German women, teach German men how to defend women and themselves.

Holy carp, are you saying that women shouldn't expect to be able to walk around unaccompanied by her gun-slinging brother or father? Have I just been transplanted to Saudi Arabia?

Not to mention your racist generalizations about cowardice.

What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong with me. What might be wrong with you is that you do not understand Middle Eastern men. If you want to think their legendary cowardice brands me as racist, so be it.

Oh, I probably understand Middle Eastern men better than you, I'm sure. When I studied in Europe a few decades ago I had to run a gauntlet of *some* North Africans making lewd suggestions every day in the cafeteria. Meanwhile I dated an (atheist Berber) North African who was completely respectful.

What also appalled me about your post was your suggestion that I need a gun-toting male relative to protect me every time I go out. Is that how you do things in Texas, or have I been teleported to KSA?

you studied in Europe but reading comprehension eludes you. No mention of guns or Texas or male escorts. Simply said current men are useless in crowd scenes because they do not have the guts to oppose men attacking women or even men being attacked by men. Witness recent incidents on DC's redline Metro. Incidentally how did it work out with the respectful Berber atheist after he bedded you?

You toss out the tired "reading comprehension" slur? How old are you, 10?

First you said that Muslim men lack guts when confronted. Now you say Western men lack guts. Get your bigotry straight.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem here is who the attackers predominantly are. Where are they from? What are their religious/traditional,inherent views on women? Are women generally respected in their cultures? why has the rape culture become so wildly popular in these once relatively safe and peaceful European countries? Unfortunately, you cannot separate the cause and effect relationship between are the two obvious factors at play here. Rapes and sexual attacks have increased exponentially since the influx of refugee/immigrant men from Arab and North African (Muslim) countries. That is a FACT, and cannot be ignored.

Based on the very few details we have about those arrested, most were North African and some were from Syria and Iraq. But, there were three Germans and one American. The answers to your questions are different depending upon which country the men came from, to which social class they belonged, and other factors. Can you point me to the most authoritative source of data that proves what you say is "FACT"? I've been trying to find useful data and only coming up with stuff from clearly anti-Islamic sources.

If I breakdown what you are saying. You are basically saying I oppose sexual assault, but let's consider factors x, x, and x while ignoring the glaring most obvious one in the room because that could not possibly be the problem at all.

No, I'm saying that I oppose sexual assault and let's work to stop sexual assault rather than attempting to stop refugees.c

But why take away the option of stopping refugees if it would eliminate 50-80% of these assaults? Is the simple, obvious solution just not PC enough for you? If you're in a hole, quit digging.

Why would I support a policy that even one of its supporters suggests wouldn't solve the problem and would only punish innocents (none of the refugees who would be stopped were assaulting anyone in Cologne since they aren't even in the country)? If "PC" means not assuming people are guilty of something simply due to their ethnicity or religion, than I am definitely PC.

[Anonymous]

Follow on to Jeff's post - do the police have any insight into how this "meet up" occurred? Via social media? Why did they decide to do this?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To clarify the point about college sexual assault classes. My daughter, a junior, teaches sexual assault classes at her college, which is one of those colleges with some recent high-profile rape cases. DD went through two weeks of training over the summer of 2014.

The "courses" at DD's college are generally a single session of a few hours' length. All incoming freshmen at DD's college have to do it. At DD's college, they take the form of a moderated discussion, lead by 2-3 trained students like DD.

More important, the main topic in these classes is Consent--the importance of both partners consenting, and what "consent" means. If the woman is very drunk, is she capable of understanding and meaning "yes"? There's still a lot of legal grey areas here. (FWIW, the class used to be called "Consent is Sexy" but that's been dropped for the last 2 years because it looked to be sending the wrong messages.)

What this class is *not* is a multi-week instruction in Western attitudes towards sexuality. It's certainly not intended to be a seminar on women's equality, which some of you seem to be suggesting.

I mentioned these courses, but certainly didn't mean to suggest that they were "multi-week instruction in Western attitudes towards sexuality". Rather, that they were educational programs aimed at reducing sexual assault and, as such, demonstrated effectiveness of education. In either your view or your daughter's are these classes effective?

I get the feeling that these courses (under age drinking, sexual consent, drugs, dorm behavior, academic integrity rules etc) are part of a portfolio that students must acknowledge that they have received, so that colleges can prove that they did provide this information if any legal issues arise. My student seemed to do most of these courses online over the summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

And what were the German men doing while their women were being assaulted ... rallying round the bar for another mug of Dortmunder Union?

Sad to think that this was likely the mindset of the perpetrators; that women who dare to be out without male family escort "had it coming" to them.

Outside bastions of political correctness, women look to the men who love them to protect them from random males sexually assaulting them. [Since they did such a good job of protecting themselves]. Outside of bastions of political correctness, full of preening metrosexuals, men do protect the women they love. But the German men were too busy at whatever they were doing so sweet wife was on her own.

Exactly. Men have become so feminized that they can't protect the women around them. Some serious ass kicking was needed a la the three Americans on the train who took down the man with the gun. Muslim men are not good at one to one combat -- that is why Middle Eastern countries can never have an effective military. They don't aim to shoot someone as it could be their "cousin," thrice removed. They like scatter shot approach to warfare (such as the Muslims who recently shot into the crowd in California). They are too chicken shit to attack a woman individually, so they do it in gangs. If one German man had the sense to kick one of these perps in the balls, it would have made a difference. Never mind a code of conduct for German women, teach German men how to defend women and themselves.

Holy carp, are you saying that women shouldn't expect to be able to walk around unaccompanied by her gun-slinging brother or father? Have I just been transplanted to Saudi Arabia?

Not to mention your racist generalizations about cowardice.

What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong with me. What might be wrong with you is that you do not understand Middle Eastern men. If you want to think their legendary cowardice brands me as racist, so be it.

Oh, I probably understand Middle Eastern men better than you, I'm sure. When I studied in Europe a few decades ago I had to run a gauntlet of *some* North Africans making lewd suggestions every day in the cafeteria. Meanwhile I dated an (atheist Berber) North African who was completely respectful.

What also appalled me about your post was your suggestion that I need a gun-toting male relative to protect me every time I go out. Is that how you do things in Texas, or have I been teleported to KSA?

you studied in Europe but reading comprehension eludes you. No mention of guns or Texas or male escorts. Simply said current men are useless in crowd scenes because they do not have the guts to oppose men attacking women or even men being attacked by men. Witness recent incidents on DC's redline Metro. Incidentally how did it work out with the respectful Berber atheist after he bedded you?

You toss out the tired "reading comprehension" slur? How old are you, 10?

First you said that Muslim men lack guts when confronted. Now you say Western men lack guts. Get your bigotry straight.

Guess the reading comprehension wasn't really a slur as you did not understand that if the men present that night had the guts to oppose the gutless attackers some of the victims may have been spared attack. Strangely silent on the respectful Berber who dumped you for his next Western sexual conquest

[Anonymous]

Well these guys are horn as hell, let's face it after their long journey with no female companionship. And sexual repressed anyway back in their home countries. So here"s an idea. The brothels are legal in Germany. AND Merkel, since she is so welcoming to this group, could give them vouchers, paid from the public funds, for visits to the brothels. Might fix some of this problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well these guys are horn as hell, let's face it after their long journey with no female companionship. And sexual repressed anyway back in their home countries. So here"s an idea. The brothels are legal in Germany. AND Merkel, since she is so welcoming to this group, could give them vouchers, paid from the public funds, for visits to the brothels. Might fix some of this problem.

Horny

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And what were the German men doing while their women were being assaulted ... rallying round the bar for another mug of Dortmunder Union?

Sad to think that this was likely the mindset of the perpetrators; that women who dare to be out without male family escort "had it coming" to them.

Outside bastions of political correctness, women look to the men who love them to protect them from random males sexually assaulting them. [Since they did such a good job of protecting themselves]. Outside of bastions of political correctness, full of preening metrosexuals, men do protect the women they love. But the German men were too busy at whatever they were doing so sweet wife was on her own.

Exactly. Men have become so feminized that they can't protect the women around them. Some serious ass kicking was needed a la the three Americans on the train who took down the man with the gun. Muslim men are not good at one to one combat -- that is why Middle Eastern countries can never have an effective military. They don't aim to shoot someone as it could be their "cousin," thrice removed. They like scatter shot approach to warfare (such as the Muslims who recently shot into the crowd in California). They are too chicken shit to attack a woman individually, so they do it in gangs. If one German man had the sense to kick one of these perps in the balls, it would have made a difference. Never mind a code of conduct for German women, teach German men how to defend women and themselves.

Holy carp, are you saying that women shouldn't expect to be able to walk around unaccompanied by her gun-slinging brother or father? Have I just been transplanted to Saudi Arabia?

Not to mention your racist generalizations about cowardice.

What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong with me. What might be wrong with you is that you do not understand Middle Eastern men. If you want to think their legendary cowardice brands me as racist, so be it.

Oh, I probably understand Middle Eastern men better than you, I'm sure. When I studied in Europe a few decades ago I had to run a gauntlet of *some* North Africans making lewd suggestions every day in the cafeteria. Meanwhile I dated an (atheist Berber) North African who was completely respectful.

What also appalled me about your post was your suggestion that I need a gun-toting male relative to protect me every time I go out. Is that how you do things in Texas, or have I been teleported to KSA?

Most likely she is not from the south.

In Texass the women handle their firearms just fine by themselves thank you.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And what were the German men doing while their women were being assaulted ... rallying round the bar for another mug of Dortmunder Union?

Sad to think that this was likely the mindset of the perpetrators; that women who dare to be out without male family escort "had it coming" to them.

Outside bastions of political correctness, women look to the men who love them to protect them from random males sexually assaulting them. [Since they did such a good job of protecting themselves]. Outside of bastions of political correctness, full of preening metrosexuals, men do protect the women they love. But the German men were too busy at whatever they were doing so sweet wife was on her own.

Exactly. Men have become so feminized that they can't protect the women around them. Some serious ass kicking was needed a la the three Americans on the train who took down the man with the gun. Muslim men are not good at one to one combat -- that is why Middle Eastern countries can never have an effective military. They don't aim to shoot someone as it could be their "cousin," thrice removed. They like scatter shot approach to warfare (such as the Muslims who recently shot into the crowd in California). They are too chicken shit to attack a woman individually, so they do it in gangs. If one German man had the sense to kick one of these perps in the balls, it would have made a difference. Never mind a code of conduct for German women, teach German men how to defend women and themselves.

Holy carp, are you saying that women shouldn't expect to be able to walk around unaccompanied by her gun-slinging brother or father? Have I just been transplanted to Saudi Arabia?

Not to mention your racist generalizations about cowardice.

What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong with me. What might be wrong with you is that you do not understand Middle Eastern men. If you want to think their legendary cowardice brands me as racist, so be it.

Oh, I probably understand Middle Eastern men better than you, I'm sure. When I studied in Europe a few decades ago I had to run a gauntlet of *some* North Africans making lewd suggestions every day in the cafeteria. Meanwhile I dated an (atheist Berber) North African who was completely respectful.

What also appalled me about your post was your suggestion that I need a gun-toting male relative to protect me every time I go out. Is that how you do things in Texas, or have I been teleported to KSA?

you studied in Europe but reading comprehension eludes you. No mention of guns or Texas or male escorts. Simply said current men are useless in crowd scenes because they do not have the guts to oppose men attacking women or even men being attacked by men. Witness recent incidents on DC's redline Metro. Incidentally how did it work out with the respectful Berber atheist after he bedded you?

You toss out the tired "reading comprehension" slur? How old are you, 10?

First you said that Muslim men lack guts when confronted. Now you say Western men lack guts. Get your bigotry straight.

Guess the reading comprehension wasn't really a slur as you did not understand that if the men present that night had the guts to oppose the gutless attackers some of the victims may have been spared attack. Strangely silent on the respectful Berber who dumped you for his next Western sexual conquest

PP, bullying someone about their past relationships puts you pretty much in the same ballpark as those Arabs with their "backwards" ideas about women's sexuality. Given that I'm a wimpy liberal, I can't physically confront you. But, if you keep it up, I do have tools at my disposal to put an end to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is who the attackers predominantly are. Where are they from? What are their religious/traditional,inherent views on women? Are women generally respected in their cultures? why has the rape culture become so wildly popular in these once relatively safe and peaceful European countries? Unfortunately, you cannot separate the cause and effect relationship between are the two obvious factors at play here. Rapes and sexual attacks have increased exponentially since the influx of refugee/immigrant men from Arab and North African (Muslim) countries. That is a FACT, and cannot be ignored.

Based on the very few details we have about those arrested, most were North African and some were from Syria and Iraq. But, there were three Germans and one American. The answers to your questions are different depending upon which country the men came from, to which social class they belonged, and other factors. Can you point me to the most authoritative source of data that proves what you say is "FACT"? I've been trying to find useful data and only coming up with stuff from clearly anti-Islamic sources.

If I breakdown what you are saying. You are basically saying I oppose sexual assault, but let's consider factors x, x, and x while ignoring the glaring most obvious one in the room because that could not possibly be the problem at all.

No, I'm saying that I oppose sexual assault and let's work to stop sexual assault rather than attempting to stop refugees.c

But why take away the option of stopping refugees if it would eliminate 50-80% of these assaults? Is the simple, obvious solution just not PC enough for you? If you're in a hole, quit digging.

Agreed! That is a high percentage! This is ridiculous that they haven't stopped them from coming yet after all of the complaints and issues!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And what were the German men doing while their women were being assaulted ... rallying round the bar for another mug of Dortmunder Union?

Sad to think that this was likely the mindset of the perpetrators; that women who dare to be out without male family escort "had it coming" to them.

Outside bastions of political correctness, women look to the men who love them to protect them from random males sexually assaulting them. [Since they did such a good job of protecting themselves]. Outside of bastions of political correctness, full of preening metrosexuals, men do protect the women they love. But the German men were too busy at whatever they were doing so sweet wife was on her own.

Exactly. Men have become so feminized that they can't protect the women around them. Some serious ass kicking was needed a la the three Americans on the train who took down the man with the gun. Muslim men are not good at one to one combat -- that is why Middle Eastern countries can never have an effective military. They don't aim to shoot someone as it could be their "cousin," thrice removed. They like scatter shot approach to warfare (such as the Muslims who recently shot into the crowd in California). They are too chicken shit to attack a woman individually, so they do it in gangs. If one German man had the sense to kick one of these perps in the balls, it would have made a difference. Never mind a code of conduct for German women, teach German men how to defend women and themselves.

Holy carp, are you saying that women shouldn't expect to be able to walk around unaccompanied by her gun-slinging brother or father? Have I just been transplanted to Saudi Arabia?

Not to mention your racist generalizations about cowardice.

What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong with me. What might be wrong with you is that you do not understand Middle Eastern men. If you want to think their legendary cowardice brands me as racist, so be it.

Oh, I probably understand Middle Eastern men better than you, I'm sure. When I studied in Europe a few decades ago I had to run a gauntlet of *some* North Africans making lewd suggestions every day in the cafeteria. Meanwhile I dated an (atheist Berber) North African who was completely respectful.

What also appalled me about your post was your suggestion that I need a gun-toting male relative to protect me every time I go out. Is that how you do things in Texas, or have I been teleported to KSA?

Most likely she is not from the south.

In Texass the women handle their firearms just fine by themselves thank you.

Probably like that idiot in MI shooting at Home Depot

[Anonymous]

"The main point that I've been trying to make since joining this discussion is that there is no disagreement with regard to the crimes and violence committed in Cologne. On the topic of sexual assault, I doubt that my personal views are very different than any of the most fierce women's advocates here. If you want to focus on stoping sexual assaults, I am completely with you. Where I disagree with some here is when this issue is used to oppose refugees or to attack Muslims or Arabs. "

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This is the only relevant point I can find in this 37 page arguing simply for the sake of arguing or vilifying all Arabs or Islam mess.

[Anonymous]

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And what were the German men doing while their women were being assaulted ... rallying round the bar for another mug of Dortmunder Union?

Sad to think that this was likely the mindset of the perpetrators; that women who dare to be out without male family escort "had it coming" to them.

Outside bastions of political correctness, women look to the men who love them to protect them from random males sexually assaulting them. [Since they did such a good job of protecting themselves]. Outside of bastions of political correctness, full of preening metrosexuals, men do protect the women they love. But the German men were too busy at whatever they were doing so sweet wife was on her own.

Exactly. Men have become so feminized that they can't protect the women around them. Some serious ass kicking was needed a la the three Americans on the train who took down the man with the gun. Muslim men are not good at one to one combat -- that is why Middle Eastern countries can never have an effective military. They don't aim to shoot someone as it could be their "cousin," thrice removed. They like scatter shot approach to warfare (such as the Muslims who recently shot into the crowd in California). They are too chicken shit to attack a woman individually, so they do it in gangs. If one German man had the sense to kick one of these perps in the balls, it would have made a difference. Never mind a code of conduct for German women, teach German men how to defend women and themselves.

Holy carp, are you saying that women shouldn't expect to be able to walk around unaccompanied by her gun-slinging brother or father? Have I just been transplanted to Saudi Arabia?

Not to mention your racist generalizations about cowardice.

What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong with me. What might be wrong with you is that you do not understand Middle Eastern men. If you want to think their legendary cowardice brands me as racist, so be it.

Oh, I probably understand Middle Eastern men better than you, I'm sure. When I studied in Europe a few decades ago I had to run a gauntlet of *some* North Africans making lewd suggestions every day in the cafeteria. Meanwhile I dated an (atheist Berber) North African who was completely respectful.

What also appalled me about your post was your suggestion that I need a gun-toting male relative to protect me every time I go out. Is that how you do things in Texas, or have I been teleported to KSA?

you studied in Europe but reading comprehension eludes you. No mention of guns or Texas or male escorts. Simply said current men are useless in crowd scenes because they do not have the guts to oppose men attacking women or even men being attacked by men. Witness recent incidents on DC's redline Metro. Incidentally how did it work out with the respectful Berber atheist after he bedded you?

You toss out the tired "reading comprehension" slur? How old are you, 10?

First you said that Muslim men lack guts when confronted. Now you say Western men lack guts. Get your bigotry straight.

Guess the reading comprehension wasn't really a slur as you did not understand that if the men present that night had the guts to oppose the gutless attackers some of the victims may have been spared attack. Strangely silent on the respectful Berber who dumped you for his next Western sexual conquest

Then why the snark about "preening metrosexuals" who are too self-absorbed to defend their weak women-folk? Or, God forbid, are there two cavemen on this thread?

(And I'm not rising to your stupid bait about the nice Berber guy.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well these guys are horn as hell, let's face it after their long journey with no female companionship. And sexual repressed anyway back in their home countries. So here"s an idea. The brothels are legal in Germany. AND Merkel, since she is so welcoming to this group, could give them vouchers, paid from the public funds, for visits to the brothels. Might fix some of this problem.

Horny

OK, you're just a troll. A caveman troll.