Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:URMs, don't for one second think the whites are your friends.

Minorities must unite against racist whites.

to keep other minorities out of TJ! URMs must come together against this racist plan to gets URMs into TJ

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

It's only a pressure cooker environment to those afraid of the pressure. TJ is not for everyone.

Get rid of it so we can have fewer people who talk like this. It’s a high school, not the damn Green Berets. How did we manage to attract so many clowns so full of themselves? They put their own kids on a pedestal and look down on everyone else.

Who talk like what?
If you're one of those parents who want a "well-rounded" and non-competitive pressure cooker school envt for your kids, why do you even care so much about what other families want for won their kids?
I'm sure you look down on parents and their kids who work hard to get into TJ and consider your choices superior, so why not just leave other families alone?

Easy fix. Pay for it. Don't use taxpayer money then. Turn TJ into a private, tuition based school and have all the testing you want.

Don't use taxpayer money for all test-in options? Like all the competitive sports teams in public high schools?

Maybe we can begin comparing sports with academics when the majority of kids playing sports go on to become professional athletes.

Maybe we can begin comparing competitive sports with competitive academics when students use both of them to gain advantage in admissions into elite competitive colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, whatever. There is not discrimination against asians. Do you see/hear of companies not hiring someone because their name sounds asian? Do you see/hear about police stopping cars just because the driver is asian? Do you see people not wanting their kids to marry/be in a relationship with asians? Etc....


Just because a school/college/university does not want their whole student body to be of one race, it is not discrimination.


If anything, Asians are known and regarded and studious, good at STEM and having great work ethics.

So, just stop.

LOL, so the evidence showing discrimination against Asians don't count because you say it doesn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

Any time anyone uses the tired trope of comparing educational opportunities to NBA or NFL rosters, they are attacking black people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

It's only a pressure cooker environment to those afraid of the pressure. TJ is not for everyone.

Get rid of it so we can have fewer people who talk like this. It’s a high school, not the damn Green Berets. How did we manage to attract so many clowns so full of themselves? They put their own kids on a pedestal and look down on everyone else.

Who talk like what?
If you're one of those parents who want a "well-rounded" and non-competitive pressure cooker school envt for your kids, why do you even care so much about what other families want for won their kids?
I'm sure you look down on parents and their kids who work hard to get into TJ and consider your choices superior, so why not just leave other families alone?

Easy fix. Pay for it. Don't use taxpayer money then. Turn TJ into a private, tuition based school and have all the testing you want.

Don't use taxpayer money for all test-in options? Like all the competitive sports teams in public high schools?

Maybe we can begin comparing sports with academics when the majority of kids playing sports go on to become professional athletes.

Maybe we can begin comparing competitive sports with competitive academics when students use both of them to gain advantage in admissions into elite competitive colleges.

So, the kids who gain admission to prestigious universities on sports’ scholarships end up doing what? What is the end result? The very few I know of ended up coaching...they didn’t receive exceptional educations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

Any time anyone uses the tired trope of comparing educational opportunities to NBA or NFL rosters, they are attacking black people.

The educational opportunities are race blind when it comes to TJ admissions.

They should be enhanced by actually improving things way earlier on. A lottery sounds good, but where is the data that it will actually help?

1. Will URMs actually apply? It takes a lot to send your kids to a far away school. Also, will be there a lot who are interested in STEM?

2. Will URMs actually get picked? A lottery, by definition, is random. There is a chance that URMs will be proportionately picked or less than proportionately picked. Also, a lot depends on 1 (if URMs don't apply, there will be no URMs)!

3. Even if everyone is forced into the lottery pool, will URMs actually decide to come? Same dynamic applies to why they wouldn't apply in the first place.

4. Even if they decide to come, what is the plan? Let's say URMs are generally around the GPA cutoff of 3.5. There is data to show this. The average GPA of admitted students currently at TJ is 3.96 out of 4.0, by the way. If Asians have a more even distribution ranging from 3.5 to 4, which the data also supports, you are putting them in a entry class where they are already disadvantaged in terms of preparation. The lottery, by definition, will reflect the GPA distribution across the different races. There are all sorts of implications to this. Vast resources will be spent on trying to have these kids catch up. Will it work? The Asians will continue to work like crazy. Knowing this, how many URMs would apply? Which goes back to #1.

There are so many layers to the lottery, and the effect on local economies with feeder schools has not even been mentioned.

Start with AAP - get URMs more prepared. You need to fix the more fundamental problem of why URMs are getting lower GPAs and academic success to begin with. Only after this, can a lottery work. But by then, you won't need a lottery!

[Anonymous]

Start with AAP - get URMs more prepared. You need to fix the more fundamental problem of why URMs are getting lower GPAs and academic success to begin with. Only after this, can a lottery work. But by then, you won't need a lottery!

+1,000

The lottery probably won't happen the latest is 3 criteria

Some kind of math creative word problem/essay (Be careful some one the board want to kill this)
Some kind of personal essay on why TJ (Language to be determined fight about how Math/Science it should be vs focused on graduate outcome criteria)
Some kind of secret sauce (goal here is to plus up URM/FARMS kids)

They will play around with this model a ton until they get a class that has enough URM/FARMS kids in it and yes asians will probably be less and whites will be more

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

Any time anyone uses the tired trope of comparing educational opportunities to NBA or NFL rosters, they are attacking black people.

How is it an attack on blacks to note that they dominate athletics based on merit and capability? The teams have the money to pay millions per player, can train anyone they want, and blacks as a demographic perform better than other races. How is this an attack?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Start with AAP - get URMs more prepared. You need to fix the more fundamental problem of why URMs are getting lower GPAs and academic success to begin with. Only after this, can a lottery work. But by then, you won't need a lottery!

+1,000

The lottery probably won't happen the latest is 3 criteria

Some kind of math creative word problem/essay (Be careful some one the board want to kill this)
Some kind of personal essay on why TJ (Language to be determined fight about how Math/Science it should be vs focused on graduate outcome criteria)
Some kind of secret sauce (goal here is to plus up URM/FARMS kids)

They will play around with this model a ton until they get a class that has enough URM/FARMS kids in it and yes asians will probably be less and whites will be more

Last I heard the three criteria is used to select a group of 100. The lottery is still used to select everyone else.

I don't see why there still needs to be a lottery if you set aside a group of 100 slots to pick out URMs/FARMs kids.

The only reason I can see is to deliberately increase the percentage of white kids and hammer the percentage of Asian kids. I honestly don't see any other reason for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Start with AAP - get URMs more prepared. You need to fix the more fundamental problem of why URMs are getting lower GPAs and academic success to begin with. Only after this, can a lottery work. But by then, you won't need a lottery!

+1,000

The lottery probably won't happen the latest is 3 criteria

Some kind of math creative word problem/essay (Be careful some one the board want to kill this)
Some kind of personal essay on why TJ (Language to be determined fight about how Math/Science it should be vs focused on graduate outcome criteria)
Some kind of secret sauce (goal here is to plus up URM/FARMS kids)

They will play around with this model a ton until they get a class that has enough URM/FARMS kids in it and yes asians will probably be less and whites will be more

Last I heard the three criteria is used to select a group of 100. The lottery is still used to select everyone else.

I don't see why there still needs to be a lottery if you set aside a group of 100 slots to pick out URMs/FARMs kids.

The only reason I can see is to deliberately increase the percentage of white kids and hammer the percentage of Asian kids. I honestly don't see any other reason for it.

racial quotas are illegal. You could use FARMs as a proxy, but is the goal URM kids or FARM kids- i.e. are they concerned about the middle class AA kid who doesn't apply because of whatever reason or are they concerned about the kids living in trailers off of RT1 who have 3 strikes against them before the application process even starts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Start with AAP - get URMs more prepared. You need to fix the more fundamental problem of why URMs are getting lower GPAs and academic success to begin with. Only after this, can a lottery work. But by then, you won't need a lottery!

+1,000

The lottery probably won't happen the latest is 3 criteria

Some kind of math creative word problem/essay (Be careful some one the board want to kill this)
Some kind of personal essay on why TJ (Language to be determined fight about how Math/Science it should be vs focused on graduate outcome criteria)
Some kind of secret sauce (goal here is to plus up URM/FARMS kids)

They will play around with this model a ton until they get a class that has enough URM/FARMS kids in it and yes asians will probably be less and whites will be more

Last I heard the three criteria is used to select a group of 100. The lottery is still used to select everyone else.

I don't see why there still needs to be a lottery if you set aside a group of 100 slots to pick out URMs/FARMs kids.

The only reason I can see is to deliberately increase the percentage of white kids and hammer the percentage of Asian kids. I honestly don't see any other reason for it.

+1

The TJ community provided an alternative to the lottery proposal targeting URMs directly. They welcome more URM kids. The existing holistic policy allows considering diversity factors to let in more URMs. What the lottery proposal really does is to replace Asian kids with white kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

Any time anyone uses the tired trope of comparing educational opportunities to NBA or NFL rosters, they are attacking black people.

How is it an attack on blacks to note that they dominate athletics based on merit and capability? The teams have the money to pay millions per player, can train anyone they want, and blacks as a demographic perform better than other races. How is this an attack?

It's an attack to pretend that admission to TJ is somehow comparable to being on an athletic roster. It's not. And it shows just how myopic certain communities are that TJ is somehow the pinnacle of their existence.

[Anonymous]

Don't worry, once we automate the rest of the simple jobs such as cashiers, delivery people, etc., there will be no more FARMS kids in our area and we won't have to worry about "equity" anymore. Move out to podunk if you can't afford to buy your kids lunch!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

It's only a pressure cooker environment to those afraid of the pressure. TJ is not for everyone.

Get rid of it so we can have fewer people who talk like this. It’s a high school, not the damn Green Berets. How did we manage to attract so many clowns so full of themselves? They put their own kids on a pedestal and look down on everyone else.

Who talk like what?
If you're one of those parents who want a "well-rounded" and non-competitive pressure cooker school envt for your kids, why do you even care so much about what other families want for won their kids?
I'm sure you look down on parents and their kids who work hard to get into TJ and consider your choices superior, so why not just leave other families alone?

Easy fix. Pay for it. Don't use taxpayer money then. Turn TJ into a private, tuition based school and have all the testing you want.

Don't use taxpayer money for all test-in options? Like all the competitive sports teams in public high schools?

Maybe we can begin comparing sports with academics when the majority of kids playing sports go on to become professional athletes.

Maybe we can begin comparing competitive sports with competitive academics when students use both of them to gain advantage in admissions into elite competitive colleges.

Hahaha don't you know that students use competitive sports all the time to gain advantage in admissions? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-22/athletes-have-huge-college-admissions-advantages