Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

If TJ were a selective magnet that was 70% White in 2020, we would absolutely be having this conversation. Schools in FCPS that are less than 70% White get called out as lily white and they aren't held out as prominently as TJ.

Granted, there's no way to prove or disprove this, but to assert otherwise suggests you are either detached from reality or have a greatly exaggerated sense of your own victimhood.

There might be some whispers here and there but they would not do what they are now doing to TJ.

Yes, I agree.

Many neighborhood privates are something like 75% White. Nysmith, Potomac, St. Stephen's, etc. Granted, they are private, but we don't hear any outcry about such a racial profile.

The reason it is different for TJ is because it is indeed majority Asian and there is a tinge of "they cheated to get there," "they spend tens of thousands of dollars prepping," "they are forcing a cut-throat environment" type of stereotyping. "They" meaning Asians. This is racial bias.

Cheaters, preppers, and cut-throat environments are everywhere. Go look at the reviews of any highly ranked school in the county in Niche and you will see this.

True, cheaters and preppers are everywhere and viewed with the same disdain. I think we are focusing on TJ because it’s affecting us, by us I mean every child in this area. Who knows what’s happening somewhere in Idaho or Wisconsin? Who cares? I think, for some reason, Asians are taking this as a personal assault, when that isn’t the intention.

Asians are taking it seriously because 1) the lottery changes are designed to limit their numbers and 2) people keep accusing Asians of cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

If TJ were a selective magnet that was 70% White in 2020, we would absolutely be having this conversation. Schools in FCPS that are less than 70% White get called out as lily white and they aren't held out as prominently as TJ.

Granted, there's no way to prove or disprove this, but to assert otherwise suggests you are either detached from reality or have a greatly exaggerated sense of your own victimhood.

There might be some whispers here and there but they would not do what they are now doing to TJ.

Yes, I agree.

Many neighborhood privates are something like 75% White. Nysmith, Potomac, St. Stephen's, etc. Granted, they are private, but we don't hear any outcry about such a racial profile.

The reason it is different for TJ is because it is indeed majority Asian and there is a tinge of "they cheated to get there," "they spend tens of thousands of dollars prepping," "they are forcing a cut-throat environment" type of stereotyping. "They" meaning Asians. This is racial bias.

Cheaters, preppers, and cut-throat environments are everywhere. Go look at the reviews of any highly ranked school in the county in Niche and you will see this.

True, cheaters and preppers are everywhere and viewed with the same disdain. I think we are focusing on TJ because it’s affecting us, by us I mean every child in this area. Who knows what’s happening somewhere in Idaho or Wisconsin? Who cares? I think, for some reason, Asians are taking this as a personal assault, when that isn’t the intention.

So, do we conclude already the Asians kids got in TJ via cheating and prepping white the rest were based on their own merits. TJ parents please tell us that top students of the classes are mostly non-Asians, and the winners of all sorts of competitions that won TJ fame and glory are non-Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

If TJ were a selective magnet that was 70% White in 2020, we would absolutely be having this conversation. Schools in FCPS that are less than 70% White get called out as lily white and they aren't held out as prominently as TJ.

Yeah bro you didn’t hear? All the top winners were the two black kids that got in on merit.
Granted, there's no way to prove or disprove this, but to assert otherwise suggests you are either detached from reality or have a greatly exaggerated sense of your own victimhood.

There might be some whispers here and there but they would not do what they are now doing to TJ.

Yes, I agree.

Many neighborhood privates are something like 75% White. Nysmith, Potomac, St. Stephen's, etc. Granted, they are private, but we don't hear any outcry about such a racial profile.

The reason it is different for TJ is because it is indeed majority Asian and there is a tinge of "they cheated to get there," "they spend tens of thousands of dollars prepping," "they are forcing a cut-throat environment" type of stereotyping. "They" meaning Asians. This is racial bias.

Cheaters, preppers, and cut-throat environments are everywhere. Go look at the reviews of any highly ranked school in the county in Niche and you will see this.

True, cheaters and preppers are everywhere and viewed with the same disdain. I think we are focusing on TJ because it’s affecting us, by us I mean every child in this area. Who knows what’s happening somewhere in Idaho or Wisconsin? Who cares? I think, for some reason, Asians are taking this as a personal assault, when that isn’t the intention.

So, do we conclude already the Asians kids got in TJ via cheating and prepping white the rest were based on their own merits. TJ parents please tell us that top students of the classes are mostly non-Asians, and the winners of all sorts of competitions that won TJ fame and glory are non-Asians.

[Anonymous]

Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

It's only a pressure cooker environment to those afraid of the pressure. TJ is not for everyone.

Get rid of it so we can have fewer people who talk like this. It’s a high school, not the damn Green Berets. How did we manage to attract so many clowns so full of themselves? They put their own kids on a pedestal and look down on everyone else.

Who talk like what?
If you're one of those parents who want a "well-rounded" and non-competitive pressure cooker school envt for your kids, why do you even care so much about what other families want for won their kids?
I'm sure you look down on parents and their kids who work hard to get into TJ and consider your choices superior, so why not just leave other families alone?

Easy fix. Pay for it. Don't use taxpayer money then. Turn TJ into a private, tuition based school and have all the testing you want.

[Anonymous]

don't worry TJ is being watered down to meet SJW/woke driven URM targets being pushed from the state superintendent

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

PP with the facts here. I'm seeing this happening among the people that share my cultural background, especially the US-born ones. It is now somewhat fashionable for minorities to feel some sense of outrage because of something-something-white-people-did. This trope of "we'll never be seen and accepted as American" has shown up multiple times in my social circle. I find it repulsive as it vilifies people purely for making a generalized observation, and a compliment at that. Asians have no other reason to complain: relative to the overall US population, we live in good neighborhoods, make a good living, our kids are provided with good education, and the crime rate in our communities are low. Some of us feel left out in the "America is Racist" game and want our spot in the intersectional Olympics.

DP here. Oh, honey. I am embarrassed by and ashamed of you.

PP here. Asians don't call each other honey on the regular. This is cultural appropriation and definitely microaggression. You should apologize.

Hilarious! Asians might not, honey, but Asian Americans do. No apologies are owed. If you're going to make moronic statements, expect macroaggression.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, whatever. There is not discrimination against asians. Do you see/hear of companies not hiring someone because their name sounds asian? Do you see/hear about police stopping cars just because the driver is asian? Do you see people not wanting their kids to marry/be in a relationship with asians? Etc....


Just because a school/college/university does not want their whole student body to be of one race, it is not discrimination.


If anything, Asians are known and regarded and studious, good at STEM and having great work ethics.

So, just stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Asians are NOT saying "the blacks are stealing our spots"! They are saying "Those whites are stealing our spots under the pretext that they want to help black people, but in reality it is some whites who are stealing the spots because their kids can't compete." In reality, a lottery will only increase URM nominally. The blacks are just pawns in this game set up and controlled by whites, who are happy to watch the minorities duke it out while they wear a SJW halo on the bleachers.

[Anonymous]

URMs, don't for one second think the whites are your friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:URMs, don't for one second think the whites are your friends.

Minorities must unite against racist whites.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Asians are NOT saying "the blacks are stealing our spots"! They are saying "Those whites are stealing our spots under the pretext that they want to help black people, but in reality it is some whites who are stealing the spots because their kids can't compete." In reality, a lottery will only increase URM nominally. The blacks are just pawns in this game set up and controlled by whites, who are happy to watch the minorities duke it out while they wear a SJW halo on the bleachers.

+1
Seriously. I think pp has missed the point of all the TJ threads on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

It's only a pressure cooker environment to those afraid of the pressure. TJ is not for everyone.

Get rid of it so we can have fewer people who talk like this. It’s a high school, not the damn Green Berets. How did we manage to attract so many clowns so full of themselves? They put their own kids on a pedestal and look down on everyone else.

Who talk like what?
If you're one of those parents who want a "well-rounded" and non-competitive pressure cooker school envt for your kids, why do you even care so much about what other families want for won their kids?
I'm sure you look down on parents and their kids who work hard to get into TJ and consider your choices superior, so why not just leave other families alone?

Easy fix. Pay for it. Don't use taxpayer money then. Turn TJ into a private, tuition based school and have all the testing you want.

Don't use taxpayer money for all test-in options? Like all the competitive sports teams in public high schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

If TJ were a selective magnet that was 70% White in 2020, we would absolutely be having this conversation. Schools in FCPS that are less than 70% White get called out as lily white and they aren't held out as prominently as TJ.
There wouldn’t be whispers because it wouldn’t be allowed to be 70% white in the first place. It would have never happened.
Granted, there's no way to prove or disprove this, but to assert otherwise suggests you are either detached from reality or have a greatly exaggerated sense of your own victimhood.

There might be some whispers here and there but they would not do what they are now doing to TJ.

+1
PP, we'll believe you when they propose lottery based admissions at Maggie Walker (75% white)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

It's only a pressure cooker environment to those afraid of the pressure. TJ is not for everyone.

Get rid of it so we can have fewer people who talk like this. It’s a high school, not the damn Green Berets. How did we manage to attract so many clowns so full of themselves? They put their own kids on a pedestal and look down on everyone else.

Who talk like what?
If you're one of those parents who want a "well-rounded" and non-competitive pressure cooker school envt for your kids, why do you even care so much about what other families want for won their kids?
I'm sure you look down on parents and their kids who work hard to get into TJ and consider your choices superior, so why not just leave other families alone?

Easy fix. Pay for it. Don't use taxpayer money then. Turn TJ into a private, tuition based school and have all the testing you want.

Don't use taxpayer money for all test-in options? Like all the competitive sports teams in public high schools?

Maybe we can begin comparing sports with academics when the majority of kids playing sports go on to become professional athletes.