Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

It's only a pressure cooker environment to those afraid of the pressure. TJ is not for everyone.

Get rid of it so we can have fewer people who talk like this. It’s a high school, not the damn Green Berets. How did we manage to attract so many clowns so full of themselves? They put their own kids on a pedestal and look down on everyone else.

Who talk like what?
If you're one of those parents who want a "well-rounded" and non-competitive pressure cooker school envt for your kids, why do you even care so much about what other families want for won their kids?
I'm sure you look down on parents and their kids who work hard to get into TJ and consider your choices superior, so why not just leave other families alone?

Easy fix. Pay for it. Don't use taxpayer money then. Turn TJ into a private, tuition based school and have all the testing you want.

Don't use taxpayer money for all test-in options? Like all the competitive sports teams in public high schools?

Maybe we can begin comparing sports with academics when the majority of kids playing sports go on to become professional athletes.

Maybe we can begin comparing competitive sports with competitive academics when students use both of them to gain advantage in admissions into elite competitive colleges.

Hahaha don't you know that students use competitive sports all the time to gain advantage in admissions? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-22/athletes-have-huge-college-admissions-advantages

Of course, the one category of students that benefits the most from competitive sports in college admissions is .......you guessed it. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/10/college-sports-benefits-white-students/573688/

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Anonymous wrote:Start with AAP - get URMs more prepared. You need to fix the more fundamental problem of why URMs are getting lower GPAs and academic success to begin with. Only after this, can a lottery work. But by then, you won't need a lottery!

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The lottery probably won't happen the latest is 3 criteria

Some kind of math creative word problem/essay (Be careful some one the board want to kill this)
Some kind of personal essay on why TJ (Language to be determined fight about how Math/Science it should be vs focused on graduate outcome criteria)
Some kind of secret sauce (goal here is to plus up URM/FARMS kids)

They will play around with this model a ton until they get a class that has enough URM/FARMS kids in it and yes asians will probably be less and whites will be more

Last I heard the three criteria is used to select a group of 100. The lottery is still used to select everyone else.

I don't see why there still needs to be a lottery if you set aside a group of 100 slots to pick out URMs/FARMs kids.

The only reason I can see is to deliberately increase the percentage of white kids and hammer the percentage of Asian kids. I honestly don't see any other reason for it.

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The TJ community provided an alternative to the lottery proposal targeting URMs directly. They welcome more URM kids. The existing holistic policy allows considering diversity factors to let in more URMs. What the lottery proposal really does is to replace Asian kids with white kids.

I would be emailing and pushing that out to the board en masse frequently

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Anonymous wrote:Start with AAP - get URMs more prepared. You need to fix the more fundamental problem of why URMs are getting lower GPAs and academic success to begin with. Only after this, can a lottery work. But by then, you won't need a lottery!

+1,000

The lottery probably won't happen the latest is 3 criteria

Some kind of math creative word problem/essay (Be careful some one the board want to kill this)
Some kind of personal essay on why TJ (Language to be determined fight about how Math/Science it should be vs focused on graduate outcome criteria)
Some kind of secret sauce (goal here is to plus up URM/FARMS kids)

They will play around with this model a ton until they get a class that has enough URM/FARMS kids in it and yes asians will probably be less and whites will be more

Last I heard the three criteria is used to select a group of 100. The lottery is still used to select everyone else.

I don't see why there still needs to be a lottery if you set aside a group of 100 slots to pick out URMs/FARMs kids.

The only reason I can see is to deliberately increase the percentage of white kids and hammer the percentage of Asian kids. I honestly don't see any other reason for it.

+1

The TJ community provided an alternative to the lottery proposal targeting URMs directly. They welcome more URM kids. The existing holistic policy allows considering diversity factors to let in more URMs. What the lottery proposal really does is to replace Asian kids with white kids.

I would be emailing and pushing that out to the board en masse frequently

The board would just filter that into spam. They literally give zero shits.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

Any time anyone uses the tired trope of comparing educational opportunities to NBA or NFL rosters, they are attacking black people.

How is it an attack on blacks to note that they dominate athletics based on merit and capability? The teams have the money to pay millions per player, can train anyone they want, and blacks as a demographic perform better than other races. How is this an attack?

It's an attack to pretend that admission to TJ is somehow comparable to being on an athletic roster. It's not. And it shows just how myopic certain communities are that TJ is somehow the pinnacle of their existence.

TJ is certainly not the pinnacle of my existence since for one thing we don't even live in the DMV anymore.
I just find this "leveling the playing field ... because it is tax payer funded" logic on academics (and nothing else) absurd.
For the record, I never compared TJ to NBA or any other professional leagues.
If TJ, a competitive test-in public high school has to reflect the local racial demographics, why can't one extend the same logic to public high schools' competitive test-in sports teams.
And yes, as some pp pointed out, both records absolutely contribute towards elite college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

Any time anyone uses the tired trope of comparing educational opportunities to NBA or NFL rosters, they are attacking black people.

The educational opportunities are race blind when it comes to TJ admissions.

They should be enhanced by actually improving things way earlier on. A lottery sounds good, but where is the data that it will actually help?

1. Will URMs actually apply? It takes a lot to send your kids to a far away school. Also, will be there a lot who are interested in STEM?

2. Will URMs actually get picked? A lottery, by definition, is random. There is a chance that URMs will be proportionately picked or less than proportionately picked. Also, a lot depends on 1 (if URMs don't apply, there will be no URMs)!

3. Even if everyone is forced into the lottery pool, will URMs actually decide to come? Same dynamic applies to why they wouldn't apply in the first place.

4. Even if they decide to come, what is the plan? Let's say URMs are generally around the GPA cutoff of 3.5. There is data to show this. The average GPA of admitted students currently at TJ is 3.96 out of 4.0, by the way. If Asians have a more even distribution ranging from 3.5 to 4, which the data also supports, you are putting them in a entry class where they are already disadvantaged in terms of preparation. The lottery, by definition, will reflect the GPA distribution across the different races. There are all sorts of implications to this. Vast resources will be spent on trying to have these kids catch up. Will it work? The Asians will continue to work like crazy. Knowing this, how many URMs would apply? Which goes back to #1.

There are so many layers to the lottery, and the effect on local economies with feeder schools has not even been mentioned.

Start with AAP - get URMs more prepared. You need to fix the more fundamental problem of why URMs are getting lower GPAs and academic success to begin with. Only after this, can a lottery work. But by then, you won't need a lottery!

Their answer to 1, 2, 3, 4 was to pick 100 based on a subjective criteria.

But even there, there are massive hurdles and #1 and #4 will still be a problem. One massive hurdle is who will read/evaluate all the applications. How can one expect not to be called out for bias as it is so subjective? The more subjective it is, the more of a problem #4 (and hence #1) will be!!!

There is no way around the fact that you need to make actual progress on academic achievements for a broad set of URMs BEFORE high school for anything to work! And that should be the goal. Actually, it is far more effective and life changing than pushing URMs into a school where they will be disadvantaged from the get-go.

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

It's only a pressure cooker environment to those afraid of the pressure. TJ is not for everyone.

Get rid of it so we can have fewer people who talk like this. It’s a high school, not the damn Green Berets. How did we manage to attract so many clowns so full of themselves? They put their own kids on a pedestal and look down on everyone else.

Who talk like what?
If you're one of those parents who want a "well-rounded" and non-competitive pressure cooker school envt for your kids, why do you even care so much about what other families want for won their kids?
I'm sure you look down on parents and their kids who work hard to get into TJ and consider your choices superior, so why not just leave other families alone?

Easy fix. Pay for it. Don't use taxpayer money then. Turn TJ into a private, tuition based school and have all the testing you want.

Don't use taxpayer money for all test-in options? Like all the competitive sports teams in public high schools?

Maybe we can begin comparing sports with academics when the majority of kids playing sports go on to become professional athletes.

Maybe we can begin comparing competitive sports with competitive academics when students use both of them to gain advantage in admissions into elite competitive colleges.

Hahaha don't you know that students use competitive sports all the time to gain advantage in admissions? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-22/athletes-have-huge-college-admissions-advantages

Of course, the one category of students that benefits the most from competitive sports in college admissions is .......you guessed it. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/10/college-sports-benefits-white-students/573688/

This. Prevalent in McLean area. Private schools as well. You have to have a sport. I think the affluent white population generally views travel sports to be more important than getting into TJ. Given what I've seen, the money spent on extra coaching, lessons, preparation, equipment and travel expenses would far outweigh anything spent on TJ prep. Also, it's not just for any college admission. It's to get an edge with the Ivies and other top colleges.

There is a social component to this too. Just like some parents want their kids to be at TJ to interact with other smart kids, these parents want their kids in these types of sports as the other kids are of similar socioeconomic status.

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You all realize none of this matters, right?

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Anonymous wrote:You all realize none of this matters, right?

+1,000,000,000 and in the real world it's all about networking and relationships not how well you do on some test

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Anonymous wrote:You all realize none of this matters, right?

+1,000,000,000 and in the real world it's all about networking and relationships not how well you do on some test

A friend of mine quit HS, had zero college, worked at a fast food chain full time starting at 16, was from a broken home, Dad abandoned family, alcoholic mom. He now makes seven figures, could run circles around these clowns. He came from nothing, had no parental support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all realize none of this matters, right?

+1,000,000,000 and in the real world it's all about networking and relationships not how well you do on some test

A friend of mine quit HS, had zero college, worked at a fast food chain full time starting at 16, was from a broken home, Dad abandoned family, alcoholic mom. He now makes seven figures, could run circles around these clowns. He came from nothing, had no parental support.

Oh, forgot to mention he has a STEM career. That is talent.

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Anonymous wrote:You all realize none of this matters, right?

+1,000,000,000 and in the real world it's all about networking and relationships not how well you do on some test

That's one of the reasons why sporting activities are viewed as so important by affluent families (white and minorities). It's one way to learn teamwork, gain confidence, build relationships and network. Studying hard alone is not going to get you there.

Of course, you do need a baseline of solid academics to get you in the door for many professions. But after that, it is really about EQ qualities and relationship/networking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all realize none of this matters, right?

+1,000,000,000 and in the real world it's all about networking and relationships not how well you do on some test

That's one of the reasons why sporting activities are viewed as so important by affluent families (white and minorities). It's one way to learn teamwork, gain confidence, build relationships and network. Studying hard alone is not going to get you there.

Of course, you do need a baseline of solid academics to get you in the door for many professions. But after that, it is really about EQ qualities and relationship/networking.

Many successful STEM careers, for example software developers, do not have college degrees. Some of the most ingenious ones do not have degrees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all realize none of this matters, right?

+1,000,000,000 and in the real world it's all about networking and relationships not how well you do on some test

That's one of the reasons why sporting activities are viewed as so important by affluent families (white and minorities). It's one way to learn teamwork, gain confidence, build relationships and network. Studying hard alone is not going to get you there.

Of course, you do need a baseline of solid academics to get you in the door for many professions. But after that, it is really about EQ qualities and relationship/networking.

Agreed. It's one piece that gets neglected by many parents who have so much invested in their kids going to TJ, and don't realize what poor social skills their kids have developed and how comparatively well rounded many other kids present.

It becomes a vicious cycle because they complain that only STEM doors are open to their kids, so they must attend TJ, but then they exit the TJ bubble not knowing how to relate to others, and so the cycle continues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all realize none of this matters, right?

+1,000,000,000 and in the real world it's all about networking and relationships not how well you do on some test

A friend of mine quit HS, had zero college, worked at a fast food chain full time starting at 16, was from a broken home, Dad abandoned family, alcoholic mom. He now makes seven figures, could run circles around these clowns. He came from nothing, had no parental support.

I didn't drink, go to parties, or really talk to girls at all, but I still managed to date the sister of a beauty contest winner. On the other hand, my sister has an enormous salary presicely because she has elite technical skills applied to a niche specialty. We're getting into some serious "why make laws if crooks break them anyway" territory here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all realize none of this matters, right?

+1,000,000,000 and in the real world it's all about networking and relationships not how well you do on some test

That's one of the reasons why sporting activities are viewed as so important by affluent families (white and minorities). It's one way to learn teamwork, gain confidence, build relationships and network. Studying hard alone is not going to get you there.

Of course, you do need a baseline of solid academics to get you in the door for many professions. But after that, it is really about EQ qualities and relationship/networking.

Then we should leave TJ alone and lottery off public HS and travel team slots to URMs, as that would be more impactful to URM's life outcome.