Discussion Boundary Map out for APS- elementary schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

[Anonymous]

Unless you are zoned Drew, Carlin Springs, Barcroft

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

Sorry. That doesn’t cut it. Kids in my neighborhood get on the bus at 6:50 for immersion. Location matters. I know few people who would stick to that schedule for immersion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

Sorry. That doesn’t cut it. Kids in my neighborhood get on the bus at 6:50 for immersion. Location matters. I know few people who would stick to that schedule for immersion.

NP. I've got a rising K-er for 2020. I want immersion. Key to ATS would be ok. Key to Carlin Springs would be really hard, commute-wise. I realize my commute is irrelevant to county needs, but it would be a nightmare for many current and rising Key parents to have to commute to the far western corner of the county when the current Key lottery boundary was drawn for the eastern part! The western immersion ppl already go to Claremont! So yes, location matters when you are advocating sending half the county as far away from current boundaries as is possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

Sorry. That doesn’t cut it. Kids in my neighborhood get on the bus at 6:50 for immersion. Location matters. I know few people who would stick to that schedule for immersion.

NP. I've got a rising K-er for 2020. I want immersion. Key to ATS would be ok. Key to Carlin Springs would be really hard, commute-wise. I realize my commute is irrelevant to county needs, but it would be a nightmare for many current and rising Key parents to have to commute to the far western corner of the county when the current Key lottery boundary was drawn for the eastern part! The western immersion ppl already go to Claremont! So yes, location matters when you are advocating sending half the county as far away from current boundaries as is possible.

How about McKinley?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

Sorry. That doesn’t cut it. Kids in my neighborhood get on the bus at 6:50 for immersion. Location matters. I know few people who would stick to that schedule for immersion.

What is the start time?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are these planning units that can be moved just a little further, but not too far, and will also significantly change the demographics of the schools? I don't think they exist. For real change you need to move people from S Arlington to the northwest schools. If Tuckahoe/Nottingham/Discovery/Jamestown are unacceptable locations for option schools because of access issues it's definitely not ok to force kids to travel there. If you move kids from northwest Arlington to S Arlington you are leaving empty seats that need to be filled in the NW. If you move kids around in the middle you aren't really accomplishing anything because those are the schools that are already balanced.

+1. The people claiming APS can meaningfully improve diversity without extensive busing are being deeply disingenuous. Our schools aren’t imbalanced because their borders have been gerrymandered that way, they’re imbalanced because the neighborhoods are imbalanced.

And the neighborhoods are that way because.....????
Historical redlining, segregation, wealthy whites flocking to wealthy white neighborhoods, NIMBYism, etc. aka, gerrymandering.

Yes, that's why the neighborhoods are segregated. I'm still waiting to hear the plan to integrate Tuckahoe, Nottingham, Discovery, Jamestown, and Reed. Who goes where?

You are not going to easily intergrate those schools tomorrow. It is just not feasible without crazy boundaries and a ton of bussing.

What you CAN do is look at some of the schools on the NA/SA border and try to redraw boundaries to even them out some. Ashlawn, Long Branch and Fleet are all under 30% this year while schools that immediately surround them are 50% and higher. Barcroft, Drew, Barrett and Randolph are all pretty high. I am sure there is a way to break all of those schools up and better draw boundaries without crazy bussing.

Turn Key into a neighborhood school, move the immersion program to Barcroft or Carlin Springs and you have even more flexibility to balance the numbers out.

Further down the road you can work on housing and other factors that contribute to the problem to better intergrate the schools that are not already intergrated.


There are a lot of factors that have lead to what we have now and I wish we could have all schools equal but to say we should not try because some schools will stay with super low FRL rates is not going to solve anything.

NP here - There is a clear racial and economic imbalance in the county. Ashlawn, Long Branch, and Fleet are much more diverse than Nottingham, Taylor, Discovery, Jamestown, etc. Why would you change the first group of schools to allegedly improve diversity without addressing the real issue? Clearly the prior poster wants to protect his/her own neighborhood school and avoid even the idea of busing....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are these planning units that can be moved just a little further, but not too far, and will also significantly change the demographics of the schools? I don't think they exist. For real change you need to move people from S Arlington to the northwest schools. If Tuckahoe/Nottingham/Discovery/Jamestown are unacceptable locations for option schools because of access issues it's definitely not ok to force kids to travel there. If you move kids from northwest Arlington to S Arlington you are leaving empty seats that need to be filled in the NW. If you move kids around in the middle you aren't really accomplishing anything because those are the schools that are already balanced.

+1. The people claiming APS can meaningfully improve diversity without extensive busing are being deeply disingenuous. Our schools aren’t imbalanced because their borders have been gerrymandered that way, they’re imbalanced because the neighborhoods are imbalanced.

And the neighborhoods are that way because.....????
Historical redlining, segregation, wealthy whites flocking to wealthy white neighborhoods, NIMBYism, etc. aka, gerrymandering.

Yes, that's why the neighborhoods are segregated. I'm still waiting to hear the plan to integrate Tuckahoe, Nottingham, Discovery, Jamestown, and Reed. Who goes where?

You are not going to easily intergrate those schools tomorrow. It is just not feasible without crazy boundaries and a ton of bussing.

What you CAN do is look at some of the schools on the NA/SA border and try to redraw boundaries to even them out some. Ashlawn, Long Branch and Fleet are all under 30% this year while schools that immediately surround them are 50% and higher. Barcroft, Drew, Barrett and Randolph are all pretty high. I am sure there is a way to break all of those schools up and better draw boundaries without crazy bussing.

Turn Key into a neighborhood school, move the immersion program to Barcroft or Carlin Springs and you have even more flexibility to balance the numbers out.

Further down the road you can work on housing and other factors that contribute to the problem to better intergrate the schools that are not already intergrated.


There are a lot of factors that have lead to what we have now and I wish we could have all schools equal but to say we should not try because some schools will stay with super low FRL rates is not going to solve anything.

NP here - There is a clear racial and economic imbalance in the county. Ashlawn, Long Branch, and Fleet are much more diverse than Nottingham, Taylor, Discovery, Jamestown, etc. Why would you change the first group of schools to allegedly improve diversity without addressing the real issue? Clearly the prior poster wants to protect his/her own neighborhood school and avoid even the idea of busing....

Dude, people north of lee highway can afford to live anywhere and choose to live in a place with little if any diversity. Fine. Let them. They’ve already demonstrated with their feet that they don’t want o be part of the solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

Sorry. That doesn’t cut it. Kids in my neighborhood get on the bus at 6:50 for immersion. Location matters. I know few people who would stick to that schedule for immersion.

NP. I've got a rising K-er for 2020. I want immersion. Key to ATS would be ok. Key to Carlin Springs would be really hard, commute-wise. I realize my commute is irrelevant to county needs, but it would be a nightmare for many current and rising Key parents to have to commute to the far western corner of the county when the current Key lottery boundary was drawn for the eastern part! The western immersion ppl already go to Claremont! So yes, location matters when you are advocating sending half the county as far away from current boundaries as is possible.

How about McKinley?

DP but that would be crazy. Immersion doesn’t make any sense in the NW quadrant. None.

[Anonymous]

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NP. I've got a rising K-er for 2020. I want immersion. Key to ATS would be ok. Key to Carlin Springs would be really hard, commute-wise. I realize my commute is irrelevant to county needs, but it would be a nightmare for many current and rising Key parents to have to commute to the far western corner of the county when the current Key lottery boundary was drawn for the eastern part! The western immersion ppl already go to Claremont! So yes, location matters when you are advocating sending half the county as far away from current boundaries as is possible.

I thought they did away with the Key/Claremont geographical distinction and both were now countywide option programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

Sorry. That doesn’t cut it. Kids in my neighborhood get on the bus at 6:50 for immersion. Location matters. I know few people who would stick to that schedule for immersion.

What is the start time?

Key starts at 9. I’m guessing she is talking about Gunston middle school immersion, which starts at 7:50, doors open at 7:30.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

Sorry. That doesn’t cut it. Kids in my neighborhood get on the bus at 6:50 for immersion. Location matters. I know few people who would stick to that schedule for immersion.

NP. I've got a rising K-er for 2020. I want immersion. Key to ATS would be ok. Key to Carlin Springs would be really hard, commute-wise. I realize my commute is irrelevant to county needs, but it would be a nightmare for many current and rising Key parents to have to commute to the far western corner of the county when the current Key lottery boundary was drawn for the eastern part! The western immersion ppl already go to Claremont! So yes, location matters when you are advocating sending half the county as far away from current boundaries as is possible.

The geographic zones for Claremont and Key could shift with a location change. It would have to gradually take full effect; but ultimately, I think an open lottery for either school would be feasible, within the confines of ensuring the 50/50 balance at each.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, but if/when immersion moves it’ll be 2021/22, right? Not next year?

Yes. Nothing is changing next year. Lots of uncertainty for incoming K kids because they aren't committing to deciding anything until fall 2020.

How about lots of uncertainty for everyone at Key or thinking about applying for Key? And lots of changes coming for lots of other communities too.

If your kid wants to do immersion, do immersion. The location might change, but the program will be the same.

Everyone will end up at a good school so don't sweat it. It really will all be fine in the end.

Sorry. That doesn’t cut it. Kids in my neighborhood get on the bus at 6:50 for immersion. Location matters. I know few people who would stick to that schedule for immersion.

What is the start time?

Key starts at 9. I’m guessing she is talking about Gunston middle school immersion, which starts at 7:50, doors open at 7:30.

DP. That makes more sense, although it would be pretty disingenuous on pp’s part to drop that into a discussion of ES boundaries without clarification, making it seem like this is happening to elementary students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are zoned Drew, Carlin Springs, Barcroft

Didn't you forget Randolph????
Parent of two Barcroft survivors - and they're quite fine, including honor roll and straight A's in middle school.