Girls, 13 and 15, Charged With Murder After Armed Carjacking Near Nationals Park

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe there is a court hearing today but I doubt there will be any information given it is in juvenile court.

I worked in Section 8 housing in Baltimore & DC for 20 years. It is a falsehood that people have children just for more benefits. Please stop spreading welfare mommy conspiracy theories that Reagan tried to spread back in the 80s. There are many reasons why people on social services may have multiple children but it is naive to assume and say that it is for the money. This also goes in line with the falsehood that if you drug tested every month people in Section 8 housing or receiving food stamps that you would catch many people on drugs and could save money by disqualifying people who test positive and only give the benefits to the drugfree people who deserve it. These theories that are pushed and pushed over the last several decades have been debunked. Just hard stop.

It won't solve the problem and as a society we won't get better if you keep distracting people with that kind of garbage.

Share your knowledge about what you think is true, then... Why do people with dysfunctional lives living on money provided by someone else's labor have multiple children then?

Unlike many folks in DCUM, I grew up poor and don't romanticize poor people. Many of them lack basic thinking skills such as cause and effect, long term planning, impulse control, etc. We can argue whether this is their fault, but most long term poor people in the US are not hard-working people who are exhausted by working night and day to scrape together enough money to eat. Perhaps that is true of illegal immigrant families who technically are not allowed to receive welfare benefits (but often do).

So for me, it is easy to see why poor women cannot make the decision to put off having more children when it is so obviously in their best interest to do so. But it doesn't mean that we should incentivize the behavior.

And tell us why you shouldn't drug test folks on welfare again? Curious to hear your take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

No surprise here. DC has basically decriminalized youth crime, up to and including murder. Under current law, a 15 year old can murder anyone, including you, with relative impunity. That’s how the people in DC want it. They are “children” no matter what they do. No worries, though, they will totally be rehabilitated before they are released. Pinky swear.

Charge their parents.

For what? At most you could argue for some sort of negligent supervision kind of theory, and even then you’d need to look really hard at what the parents knew and what they were doing. Some on this thread blame the parents; some blame society; indeed there is a hint in the Post story of blaming Mr. Anwar himself (who was “forcing” his way into his car; this is laying the foundation for some super lenient plea deal). The truth is, at 15 you are old enough to know it is both wrong and dangerous to carjack someone.

How sad if WAPO is even hinting that it was Mr. Anwar's fault. I don't know his financial situation; but since he was making deliveries, he must have needed the money and thought his means of earning money was about to be taken away from him. Such a tragedy. I'm so very glad that many people understand the travesty of what occurred and have contributed to his family's gofundme account.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

Are these Feds? Why can't DC tell them that we expect the 15yo to be tried, regardless if it is hard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe there is a court hearing today but I doubt there will be any information given it is in juvenile court.

I worked in Section 8 housing in Baltimore & DC for 20 years. It is a falsehood that people have children just for more benefits. Please stop spreading welfare mommy conspiracy theories that Reagan tried to spread back in the 80s. There are many reasons why people on social services may have multiple children but it is naive to assume and say that it is for the money. This also goes in line with the falsehood that if you drug tested every month people in Section 8 housing or receiving food stamps that you would catch many people on drugs and could save money by disqualifying people who test positive and only give the benefits to the drugfree people who deserve it. These theories that are pushed and pushed over the last several decades have been debunked. Just hard stop.

It won't solve the problem and as a society we won't get better if you keep distracting people with that kind of garbage.

Share your knowledge about what you think is true, then... Why do people with dysfunctional lives living on money provided by someone else's labor have multiple children then?

Unlike many folks in DCUM, I grew up poor and don't romanticize poor people. Many of them lack basic thinking skills such as cause and effect, long term planning, impulse control, etc. We can argue whether this is their fault, but most long term poor people in the US are not hard-working people who are exhausted by working night and day to scrape together enough money to eat. Perhaps that is true of illegal immigrant families who technically are not allowed to receive welfare benefits (but often do).

So for me, it is easy to see why poor women cannot make the decision to put off having more children when it is so obviously in their best interest to do so. But it doesn't mean that we should incentivize the behavior.

And tell us why you shouldn't drug test folks on welfare again? Curious to hear your take.

Poor women don’t have reliable access to free birth control and abortion. It is literally that simple. Just give poor teens and women free birth control pills via the mail every month - no strings attached or hoops to jump thru - and you’ll miraculously see out of wedlock births plummet.

It really is that simple. Just mail them free BC pills, that’s all we have to do. Don’t make them get an appointment every few months to renew the prescription or send in a bunch of paperwork to qualify.

[Anonymous]

Well, since the 15 year old was involved in a car-jacking back in January, and DC laws prevent the punishment fitting the crime for youth offenders, my magic 8-ball says OUTLOOK GOOD that we're looking at a 3rd car-jacking circa 2026/27 at the latest. Rinse, repeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe there is a court hearing today but I doubt there will be any information given it is in juvenile court.

I worked in Section 8 housing in Baltimore & DC for 20 years. It is a falsehood that people have children just for more benefits. Please stop spreading welfare mommy conspiracy theories that Reagan tried to spread back in the 80s. There are many reasons why people on social services may have multiple children but it is naive to assume and say that it is for the money. This also goes in line with the falsehood that if you drug tested every month people in Section 8 housing or receiving food stamps that you would catch many people on drugs and could save money by disqualifying people who test positive and only give the benefits to the drugfree people who deserve it. These theories that are pushed and pushed over the last several decades have been debunked. Just hard stop.

It won't solve the problem and as a society we won't get better if you keep distracting people with that kind of garbage.

Share your knowledge about what you think is true, then... Why do people with dysfunctional lives living on money provided by someone else's labor have multiple children then?

Unlike many folks in DCUM, I grew up poor and don't romanticize poor people. Many of them lack basic thinking skills such as cause and effect, long term planning, impulse control, etc. We can argue whether this is their fault, but most long term poor people in the US are not hard-working people who are exhausted by working night and day to scrape together enough money to eat. Perhaps that is true of illegal immigrant families who technically are not allowed to receive welfare benefits (but often do).

So for me, it is easy to see why poor women cannot make the decision to put off having more children when it is so obviously in their best interest to do so. But it doesn't mean that we should incentivize the behavior.

And tell us why you shouldn't drug test folks on welfare again? Curious to hear your take.

Poor women don’t have reliable access to free birth control and abortion. It is literally that simple. Just give poor teens and women free birth control pills via the mail every month - no strings attached or hoops to jump thru - and you’ll miraculously see out of wedlock births plummet.

It really is that simple. Just mail them free BC pills, that’s all we have to do. Don’t make them get an appointment every few months to renew the prescription or send in a bunch of paperwork to qualify.

You know this sounds like Nazi eugenics right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

This should be a rally call to change the law in DC to prosecute all children as adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe there is a court hearing today but I doubt there will be any information given it is in juvenile court.

I worked in Section 8 housing in Baltimore & DC for 20 years. It is a falsehood that people have children just for more benefits. Please stop spreading welfare mommy conspiracy theories that Reagan tried to spread back in the 80s. There are many reasons why people on social services may have multiple children but it is naive to assume and say that it is for the money. This also goes in line with the falsehood that if you drug tested every month people in Section 8 housing or receiving food stamps that you would catch many people on drugs and could save money by disqualifying people who test positive and only give the benefits to the drugfree people who deserve it. These theories that are pushed and pushed over the last several decades have been debunked. Just hard stop.

It won't solve the problem and as a society we won't get better if you keep distracting people with that kind of garbage.

Share your knowledge about what you think is true, then... Why do people with dysfunctional lives living on money provided by someone else's labor have multiple children then?

Unlike many folks in DCUM, I grew up poor and don't romanticize poor people. Many of them lack basic thinking skills such as cause and effect, long term planning, impulse control, etc. We can argue whether this is their fault, but most long term poor people in the US are not hard-working people who are exhausted by working night and day to scrape together enough money to eat. Perhaps that is true of illegal immigrant families who technically are not allowed to receive welfare benefits (but often do).

So for me, it is easy to see why poor women cannot make the decision to put off having more children when it is so obviously in their best interest to do so. But it doesn't mean that we should incentivize the behavior.

And tell us why you shouldn't drug test folks on welfare again? Curious to hear your take.

Poor women don’t have reliable access to free birth control and abortion. It is literally that simple. Just give poor teens and women free birth control pills via the mail every month - no strings attached or hoops to jump thru - and you’ll miraculously see out of wedlock births plummet.

It really is that simple. Just mail them free BC pills, that’s all we have to do. Don’t make them get an appointment every few months to renew the prescription or send in a bunch of paperwork to qualify.

You know this sounds like Nazi eugenics right?

Nope, not at all. They have the choice to consume the pills, if they want. It's not "eugenics" to give poor women a free option to take control of their lives. Those birth control pills will pay for themselves 100x over as these women go forward to pursue their education, become productive working taxpayers, and plan their families.

But I'm sure you'll use the "eugenics" argument when you try to block the government from paying for free BC. We see you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

This should be a rally call to change the law in DC to prosecute all children as adults.

This is Double-Speak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

This should be a rally call to change the law in DC to prosecute all children as adults.

Unless there is money to be made, there won’t be any large scale rallies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe there is a court hearing today but I doubt there will be any information given it is in juvenile court.

I worked in Section 8 housing in Baltimore & DC for 20 years. It is a falsehood that people have children just for more benefits. Please stop spreading welfare mommy conspiracy theories that Reagan tried to spread back in the 80s. There are many reasons why people on social services may have multiple children but it is naive to assume and say that it is for the money. This also goes in line with the falsehood that if you drug tested every month people in Section 8 housing or receiving food stamps that you would catch many people on drugs and could save money by disqualifying people who test positive and only give the benefits to the drugfree people who deserve it. These theories that are pushed and pushed over the last several decades have been debunked. Just hard stop.

It won't solve the problem and as a society we won't get better if you keep distracting people with that kind of garbage.

Share your knowledge about what you think is true, then... Why do people with dysfunctional lives living on money provided by someone else's labor have multiple children then?

Unlike many folks in DCUM, I grew up poor and don't romanticize poor people. Many of them lack basic thinking skills such as cause and effect, long term planning, impulse control, etc. We can argue whether this is their fault, but most long term poor people in the US are not hard-working people who are exhausted by working night and day to scrape together enough money to eat. Perhaps that is true of illegal immigrant families who technically are not allowed to receive welfare benefits (but often do).

So for me, it is easy to see why poor women cannot make the decision to put off having more children when it is so obviously in their best interest to do so. But it doesn't mean that we should incentivize the behavior.

And tell us why you shouldn't drug test folks on welfare again? Curious to hear your take.

Poor women don’t have reliable access to free birth control and abortion. It is literally that simple. Just give poor teens and women free birth control pills via the mail every month - no strings attached or hoops to jump thru - and you’ll miraculously see out of wedlock births plummet.

It really is that simple. Just mail them free BC pills, that’s all we have to do. Don’t make them get an appointment every few months to renew the prescription or send in a bunch of paperwork to qualify.

You know this sounds like Nazi eugenics right?

Nope, not at all. They have the choice to consume the pills, if they want. It's not "eugenics" to give poor women a free option to take control of their lives. Those birth control pills will pay for themselves 100x over as these women go forward to pursue their education, become productive working taxpayers, and plan their families.

But I'm sure you'll use the "eugenics" argument when you try to block the government from paying for free BC. We see you.

We see you trying to keep black people from having children and advocate for government led population control in black communities. Adolf Hitler and the KKK would love your plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

Are these Feds? Why can't DC tell them that we expect the 15yo to be tried, regardless if it is hard?

No it’s being handled by the DC Attorney General’s Office. And that office makes the decision on whether it would like to try and have the 15 year olds case transferred to adult court, at which time there is hearing before the judge who decides if it should or shouldn’t be transferred to adult court. The AGs office will never seek to have the 15 year old transferred to adult court so there will not be a decision for the court to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe there is a court hearing today but I doubt there will be any information given it is in juvenile court.

I worked in Section 8 housing in Baltimore & DC for 20 years. It is a falsehood that people have children just for more benefits. Please stop spreading welfare mommy conspiracy theories that Reagan tried to spread back in the 80s. There are many reasons why people on social services may have multiple children but it is naive to assume and say that it is for the money. This also goes in line with the falsehood that if you drug tested every month people in Section 8 housing or receiving food stamps that you would catch many people on drugs and could save money by disqualifying people who test positive and only give the benefits to the drugfree people who deserve it. These theories that are pushed and pushed over the last several decades have been debunked. Just hard stop.

It won't solve the problem and as a society we won't get better if you keep distracting people with that kind of garbage.

Share your knowledge about what you think is true, then... Why do people with dysfunctional lives living on money provided by someone else's labor have multiple children then?

Unlike many folks in DCUM, I grew up poor and don't romanticize poor people. Many of them lack basic thinking skills such as cause and effect, long term planning, impulse control, etc. We can argue whether this is their fault, but most long term poor people in the US are not hard-working people who are exhausted by working night and day to scrape together enough money to eat. Perhaps that is true of illegal immigrant families who technically are not allowed to receive welfare benefits (but often do).

So for me, it is easy to see why poor women cannot make the decision to put off having more children when it is so obviously in their best interest to do so. But it doesn't mean that we should incentivize the behavior.

And tell us why you shouldn't drug test folks on welfare again? Curious to hear your take.

Poor women don’t have reliable access to free birth control and abortion. It is literally that simple. Just give poor teens and women free birth control pills via the mail every month - no strings attached or hoops to jump thru - and you’ll miraculously see out of wedlock births plummet.

It really is that simple. Just mail them free BC pills, that’s all we have to do. Don’t make them get an appointment every few months to renew the prescription or send in a bunch of paperwork to qualify.

The eugenicist Margaret Sanger would be proud of you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

Are these Feds? Why can't DC tell them that we expect the 15yo to be tried, regardless if it is hard?

No it’s being handled by the DC Attorney General’s Office. And that office makes the decision on whether it would like to try and have the 15 year olds case transferred to adult court, at which time there is hearing before the judge who decides if it should or shouldn’t be transferred to adult court. The AGs office will never seek to have the 15 year old transferred to adult court so there will not be a decision for the court to make.

And Mr. Anwar paid the ultimate price for this line of thinking. Had the 15 year old been given appropriate legal consequences and supervision after her first carjacking, Mr. Anwar would likely still be alive; and the 15 year old wouldn't be living the rest of her life with the guilt of having needlessly killed an innocent person.

[Anonymous]

Actually, what is wrong with making by pills available to all people? White, black green or purple?