Girls, 13 and 15, Charged With Murder After Armed Carjacking Near Nationals Park

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need better birth control. Some people should not have kids.

We need free, and also easily accessible birth control. For men, in addition to women.

[Anonymous]

Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

[Anonymous]

I read the Post article and am similarly stunned and depressed. How many citizens have to get hurt or killed by repeat offenders before we can give up on rehabilitation? I don't know what the answer should be. I'd like to believe that teens won't have to suffer their whole lives for bad decisions as minors, but I'm not really willing to risk my family's safety in the social experiment. A man has died already, and I can't help feeling that if violent juvenile offenders are excused from appreciating the finality of this, they won't actually change their dangerous behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Hope y’all are enjoying one party rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

The case is shocking and tragic but how are you stunned by any of what you wrote?

[Anonymous]

I’m very angry about the crime but I don’t understand why there wouldn’t be a plea bargain. Doesn’t just about everybody pleading guilty get some kind of deal?

[Anonymous]

"As Anwar was trying to force his way back into the Honda by climbing on top of the girl in the driver’s seat, Leo said, the 13-year-old reached across from the passenger seat, turned on the ignition and “manipulated” the gear shift. The vehicle lurched forward and accelerated down the block before crashing, Leo said"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

The case is shocking and tragic but how are you stunned by any of what you wrote?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Washington DC Package for a single mom with two kids (2018):
Total welfare benefits package: $43,099
Pre-tax wage equivalent: $50,820
Hourly wage equivalent: $24.43
State hourly minimum wage for 2017: $12.50
Washington, D.C., is no stranger to financial “best of” and “worst of” lists. With such a high cost of living, its welfare package for a single mom with two children is one of the top in the country. But when accounting for the difference between the welfare and minimum-wage payouts, those receiving public assistance can earn nearly $12 more than those working full-time, minimum-wage jobs.

Although many benefits are not unrestricted cash, they are providing services for which other people have to earn money, so they count as income. It is not impossible to receive subsidized child care to attend community college or receive GED training. Lots of nonprofits will provide this for women as well. There is an entire industry created for this very situation. Once she works, she will receive the Earned Income Tax Credit, plus new unrestricted child credits.

$43K is a very nice income - and this is WELFARE?

You guys are crazy. You're helping to perpetuate the cycle of poverty by giving people just enough $$ to incentivize them to stay on welfare.

I assume someone can get housing vouchers on top of this? It’s insane that we would pay anyone more to not work than they could earn working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

No surprise here. DC has basically decriminalized youth crime, up to and including murder. Under current law, a 15 year old can murder anyone, including you, with relative impunity. That’s how the people in DC want it. They are “children” no matter what they do. No worries, though, they will totally be rehabilitated before they are released. Pinky swear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We've taken a lot out of our social fabric--prayer in school, Columbus Day, National Anthem. What have we put in that connects people, really? I have nothing against the taking something out if you put something in, but we haven't. Just a lot of lonely people on their phones out their and kids raising themselves apparently.

Weakest troll comment ever.

I would say more prayer is not to the answer and probably contributed to this tragedy. Organized religion and Christian prayer was used as a tool during slavery era to control and subdue slaves and to make them passively accept their plight. Christianity taught them to be obedient. Christianity also advocates for no birth control and keeping kids in the dark about sexuality. Essentially, sex is a sinful act unless it’s done in marriage. These kids are the legacy of Christian induced slavery, the legacy of poor family planning, poverty, and probably fatherless homes. All Christianity does is exacerbate problems. Instead of prayer and intangible efforts, how about funding programs to help alleviate the effects of the legacy of Christianity and slavery?

Eh, I am not religious in the slightest, but I can see how the absence of religion in our society leaves a huge hole. People need to feel they have a purpose.

I cannot believe the stupidity.

Yes, like religion helped Robert Long.

There is a type of OCD called religious scrupulosity that probably contributed to his breakdown. People become totally controlled by the idea of being "perfect" in their religion, which is impossible, of course. Most people then just abandon religion, rather than totally break down but obviously the guy had severe mental illness. Religion isn't the cause, it is the thing the mental illness latched on to. Even someone with rudimentary logic skills can understand that there are benefits from religion in society. See: moral teachings, curbs against loneliness, charitable giving and on and on...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

Many want babies because babies come with benefits, and screw the babies

We agree, I was just telling the person that poor people already have access to free birth control in the United States through a variety of mechanisms.

[Anonymous]

Two questions.

1. Is this a DC thing or a Fed thing. Sometimes when I complain about carjackers or drug dealers being released here, Jeff chimes in that the Fed is responsible for prosecutions and that these things are not in DC's hands. I always reply that DC should do a better job of putting together charging packages that are vetted by the city before being forwarded to the Fed.

2. With a plea deal, what are these two youths looking at? Ten years? Five years? One year? Time served?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

No surprise here. DC has basically decriminalized youth crime, up to and including murder. Under current law, a 15 year old can murder anyone, including you, with relative impunity. That’s how the people in DC want it. They are “children” no matter what they do. No worries, though, they will totally be rehabilitated before they are released. Pinky swear.

Charge their parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update on the case:

13 yr old cannot be tried as an adult under any circumstances, even for murder in DC

15 yr old can be tried as an adult but only at discretion of the judge and burden is high

Prosecutors are working on a plea deal. Next hearing in April..

I am stunned. This is so depressing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutor-to-offer-plea-deals-for-girls-13-and-15-accused-in-fatal-dc-carjacking/2021/03/31/a9b94b74-922b-11eb-bb49-5cb2a95f4cec_story.html

No surprise here. DC has basically decriminalized youth crime, up to and including murder. Under current law, a 15 year old can murder anyone, including you, with relative impunity. That’s how the people in DC want it. They are “children” no matter what they do. No worries, though, they will totally be rehabilitated before they are released. Pinky swear.

Charge their parents.

For what? At most you could argue for some sort of negligent supervision kind of theory, and even then you’d need to look really hard at what the parents knew and what they were doing. Some on this thread blame the parents; some blame society; indeed there is a hint in the Post story of blaming Mr. Anwar himself (who was “forcing” his way into his car; this is laying the foundation for some super lenient plea deal). The truth is, at 15 you are old enough to know it is both wrong and dangerous to carjack someone.