Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

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The rest of the article essentially further supports the data that Asians as a group is predominantly foreign born. Your lack of willingness to admit to your ignorance and thank others for giving you real facts is a sign of poor upbringing.

Your mention about Japanese is ironic on 3 fronts: 1) we are not in Hawaii, 2)Japanese people in Hawaii do not get commented about their English because most of them are US-born, and 3) even if we were talking about Japanese outside of Hawaii, I doubt even other East Asians can pick out a Japanese, yet some how you expect a Western European American to be able to magically treat us all differently.

DP. Stereotypes may have statistical significance. But that doesn't give you a license to engage micro aggression. And you only do it to Asian people because you are not only a racist but a coward. Stereotypes of whites include abusing hard drugs, incest, inbreeding, molesting young boys, nascar fans, serial killers, rapist, bad dancer, bad vertical jumper, country music fans, systemic racism, bad math ... There might be statistics behind them but it is the definition of racism to generalize them on you because of your skin color.

PP-who-posted-the-facts here. Microaggressions is a meritless accusation because it's an entirely subjective experience on the part of the person who feels offended. Every time someone make a generalized observation (i.e. stereotype) of some sort, it may be offensive to someone somewhere. The person making the observation has no control over whether someone's feelings may be hurt by it even if there was no intent or any ready indication that the observation may hurt other people's feelings.

You also need to look up the definition of racism, because "making generalized observations based on skin color" is not it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

If TJ were a selective magnet that was 70% White in 2020, we would absolutely be having this conversation. Schools in FCPS that are less than 70% White get called out as lily white and they aren't held out as prominently as TJ.
There wouldn’t be whispers because it wouldn’t be allowed to be 70% white in the first place. It would have never happened.
Granted, there's no way to prove or disprove this, but to assert otherwise suggests you are either detached from reality or have a greatly exaggerated sense of your own victimhood.

There might be some whispers here and there but they would not do what they are now doing to TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

Not just subconsciously, but consciously as well. The entire concept of behavioral statistics is using math to stereotype population based on demographics. When I, as an Asian, walked up to the polling place to vote in the 2018 election, the Democratic pamphleteers approach me while the Republican stayed back. When I refuse the Democratic sample ballot pamphlette, the pamphleteer was shocked. I thought nothing of it. You are always judged one way or another based on the group you visibly belong to. There is nothing nefarious or evil about this activity, it's simply how to human mind works to reduce the huge dataset that is our environment into manageable information.

Exactly, people don’t want to acknowledge that discrimination occurs with all sorts of people. Poor people, uneducated people, uncultured people, short men, loud women, thin women, fat people, gay people, elderly people, on and on, stereotypes exist for everyone.

PP here. Discrimination is common and pervasive, it is irrational to think that it can be eliminated in any meaningful manner. However, I do want to point out that our laws and government must not discriminate. To the extent that systemic racism exists, such as legalized slavery, Jim Crow laws, and more recent policies of affirmative action, we must work to eliminate these racist discriminatory laws and government behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Comedians often acknowledge and lament that they can’t make disparaging jokes about any groups now but they love the fact that they can still joke about Asians. Think about that.

They can’t joke about gays, fat people, disabled people etc. but they know they can get away with making negative jokes about Asians.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comedians often acknowledge and lament that they can’t make disparaging jokes about any groups now but they love the fact that they can still joke about Asians. Think about that.

They can’t joke about gays, fat people, disabled people etc. but they know they can get away with making negative jokes about Asians.

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I don't know why you guys feel this way. Some of the most popular comedians make fun of these types of people: Bill Burr, Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, and the late Patrice O'Neal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comedians often acknowledge and lament that they can’t make disparaging jokes about any groups now but they love the fact that they can still joke about Asians. Think about that.

They can’t joke about gays, fat people, disabled people etc. but they know they can get away with making negative jokes about Asians.

+1

I don't know why you guys feel this way. Some of the most popular comedians make fun of these types of people: Bill Burr, Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, and the late Patrice O'Neal.

Yeah, comedians, if anything, seem to target everyone except Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comedians often acknowledge and lament that they can’t make disparaging jokes about any groups now but they love the fact that they can still joke about Asians. Think about that.

They can’t joke about gays, fat people, disabled people etc. but they know they can get away with making negative jokes about Asians.

+1

I don't know why you guys feel this way. Some of the most popular comedians make fun of these types of people: Bill Burr, Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, and the late Patrice O'Neal.

Yeah, comedians, if anything, seem to target everyone except Asians.

PP here, the one comedian that I can think of that make a lot of fun of Asians is Russell Peters, himself an Asian. He is a lot funnier than other Asian comedians who tend to focus on SJW issues rather than cultural stereotypes - which is the thing that's actually funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

I know a ton of second generation Asians who are indistinguishable from any other American. Maybe it depends on the region of the country, but the Asians I know sound like me, have similar interests and hobbies, I never even think of their Asian ancestry, as they don’t think of my European ancestry. We are very much alike and I am fairly sure they would agree with this. I am not in DC though. They would laugh at this thread.

The Asian-American TJ kids who come from parents who grew up in America are some of the most well-adjusted, community-oriented kids you'll find there. You wouldn't find the toxic culture if the overwhelming majority of the Asian-American students were from these types of families.

The first-gen kids are going to become those parents later on once they realize the crap that our parents put them through. It's really amazing to see the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comedians often acknowledge and lament that they can’t make disparaging jokes about any groups now but they love the fact that they can still joke about Asians. Think about that.

They can’t joke about gays, fat people, disabled people etc. but they know they can get away with making negative jokes about Asians.

+1

I don't know why you guys feel this way. Some of the most popular comedians make fun of these types of people: Bill Burr, Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, and the late Patrice O'Neal.

You have no idea what you're talking about - comparing apples to oranges. Yes comedians make fun of all types of people just to be edgy. But these comedians have pretty much stopped saying the N word for African Americans, the R word when referring to the disabled and the f word when talking about homosexuals. But it's open game on Asians when it comes to the bad accents, squinting, and even the c word for some of them. Go watch any of Joe Rogan's crew (Kill Tony (Hinchcliffe), Bert Kreischer, Tom Segura, Ari Shaffir, Andrew Santino, Joey Diaz, etc.) and it's a regular bit with them. Most of them defended Shane Gillis after he was fired from SNL for saying racist things about Chinese Americans. They use "friends" like Bobby Lee as cover to get away with it. This isn't about right or wrong, or virtue signaling - it's simply stating that Asians are not treated the same as any other group, even in comedy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

I know a ton of second generation Asians who are indistinguishable from any other American. Maybe it depends on the region of the country, but the Asians I know sound like me, have similar interests and hobbies, I never even think of their Asian ancestry, as they don’t think of my European ancestry. We are very much alike and I am fairly sure they would agree with this. I am not in DC though. They would laugh at this thread.

The Asian-American TJ kids who come from parents who grew up in America are some of the most well-adjusted, community-oriented kids you'll find there. You wouldn't find the toxic culture if the overwhelming majority of the Asian-American students were from these types of families.

The first-gen kids are going to become those parents later on once they realize the crap that our parents put them through. It's really amazing to see the difference.

It seems to be a common theme with many first generation immigrants from all races, a drive to succeed and overcome. It could be any first generation immigrant, I think we just notice it more with Asians, because there are more Asians overall. The further we get from our original culture, the more similar we all become.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comedians often acknowledge and lament that they can’t make disparaging jokes about any groups now but they love the fact that they can still joke about Asians. Think about that.

They can’t joke about gays, fat people, disabled people etc. but they know they can get away with making negative jokes about Asians.

+1

I don't know why you guys feel this way. Some of the most popular comedians make fun of these types of people: Bill Burr, Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, and the late Patrice O'Neal.

You have no idea what you're talking about - comparing apples to oranges. Yes comedians make fun of all types of people just to be edgy. But these comedians have pretty much stopped saying the N word for African Americans, the R word when referring to the disabled and the f word when talking about homosexuals. But it's open game on Asians when it comes to the bad accents, squinting, and even the c word for some of them. Go watch any of Joe Rogan's crew (Kill Tony (Hinchcliffe), Bert Kreischer, Tom Segura, Ari Shaffir, Andrew Santino, Joey Diaz, etc.) and it's a regular bit with them. Most of them defended Shane Gillis after he was fired from SNL for saying racist things about Chinese Americans. They use "friends" like Bobby Lee as cover to get away with it. This isn't about right or wrong, or virtue signaling - it's simply stating that Asians are not treated the same as any other group, even in comedy.

I have not witnessed this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The rest of the article essentially further supports the data that Asians as a group is predominantly foreign born. Your lack of willingness to admit to your ignorance and thank others for giving you real facts is a sign of poor upbringing.

Your mention about Japanese is ironic on 3 fronts: 1) we are not in Hawaii, 2)Japanese people in Hawaii do not get commented about their English because most of them are US-born, and 3) even if we were talking about Japanese outside of Hawaii, I doubt even other East Asians can pick out a Japanese, yet some how you expect a Western European American to be able to magically treat us all differently.

DP. Stereotypes may have statistical significance. But that doesn't give you a license to engage micro aggression. And you only do it to Asian people because you are not only a racist but a coward. Stereotypes of whites include abusing hard drugs, incest, inbreeding, molesting young boys, nascar fans, serial killers, rapist, bad dancer, bad vertical jumper, country music fans, systemic racism, bad math ... There might be statistics behind them but it is the definition of racism to generalize them on you because of your skin color.

PP-who-posted-the-facts here. Microaggressions is a meritless accusation because it's an entirely subjective experience on the part of the person who feels offended. Every time someone make a generalized observation (i.e. stereotype) of some sort, it may be offensive to someone somewhere. The person making the observation has no control over whether someone's feelings may be hurt by it even if there was no intent or any ready indication that the observation may hurt other people's feelings.

You also need to look up the definition of racism, because "making generalized observations based on skin color" is not it.

You do have control. You can choose to not say those things then no one will be offended.

Curiously do you think there is a equity problem at TJ that needs to be corrected? Are you a supporter of Brabrand and the school board on this TJ lottery proposal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The rest of the article essentially further supports the data that Asians as a group is predominantly foreign born. Your lack of willingness to admit to your ignorance and thank others for giving you real facts is a sign of poor upbringing.

Your mention about Japanese is ironic on 3 fronts: 1) we are not in Hawaii, 2)Japanese people in Hawaii do not get commented about their English because most of them are US-born, and 3) even if we were talking about Japanese outside of Hawaii, I doubt even other East Asians can pick out a Japanese, yet some how you expect a Western European American to be able to magically treat us all differently.

DP. Stereotypes may have statistical significance. But that doesn't give you a license to engage micro aggression. And you only do it to Asian people because you are not only a racist but a coward. Stereotypes of whites include abusing hard drugs, incest, inbreeding, molesting young boys, nascar fans, serial killers, rapist, bad dancer, bad vertical jumper, country music fans, systemic racism, bad math ... There might be statistics behind them but it is the definition of racism to generalize them on you because of your skin color.

PP-who-posted-the-facts here. Microaggressions is a meritless accusation because it's an entirely subjective experience on the part of the person who feels offended. Every time someone make a generalized observation (i.e. stereotype) of some sort, it may be offensive to someone somewhere. The person making the observation has no control over whether someone's feelings may be hurt by it even if there was no intent or any ready indication that the observation may hurt other people's feelings.

You also need to look up the definition of racism, because "making generalized observations based on skin color" is not it.

You do have control. You can choose to not say those things then no one will be offended.

Curiously do you think there is a equity problem at TJ that needs to be corrected? Are you a supporter of Brabrand and the school board on this TJ lottery proposal?

By definition the person making the microaggression is not aware of it. How do you propose that someone control what they say, when they don't even know who will be offended? But this is merely a practical matter. The philosophical matter is that offending someone is part and parcel of any intellectual exchange. The very nature of an argument is that each side thinks the other side is wrong, an idea that is in and of itself offensive.

The problem of equity is, like microaggression, an irrational expectation that runs counter to human nature. People are different from each other, families are different, villages are different, cultures are different. These differences underly different choices, which result in different outcomes, which we label as "privilege". It is immoral to suggest that "equity" is a worthwhile pursuit, because it requires that the outcomes be the same regardless of differences in choices. History has shown that the most reliable way to improve the lives of the general population is to maximize the variety of choices that they can make. From the first days of industrialization to the modern day has seen a huge explosion in the variety of specialized trade that someone can train themselves in. This has increased opportunities and made it increasingly likely that someone can find the niche that maximize their value to society. Equity is the enemy of diversity, effort, and reward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

If TJ were a selective magnet that was 70% White in 2020, we would absolutely be having this conversation. Schools in FCPS that are less than 70% White get called out as lily white and they aren't held out as prominently as TJ.

Granted, there's no way to prove or disprove this, but to assert otherwise suggests you are either detached from reality or have a greatly exaggerated sense of your own victimhood.

There might be some whispers here and there but they would not do what they are now doing to TJ.

Yes, I agree.

Many neighborhood privates are something like 75% White. Nysmith, Potomac, St. Stephen's, etc. Granted, they are private, but we don't hear any outcry about such a racial profile.

The reason it is different for TJ is because it is indeed majority Asian and there is a tinge of "they cheated to get there," "they spend tens of thousands of dollars prepping," "they are forcing a cut-throat environment" type of stereotyping. "They" meaning Asians. This is racial bias.

Cheaters, preppers, and cut-throat environments are everywhere. Go look at the reviews of any highly ranked school in the county in Niche and you will see this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all stereotype people even if we want to believe that we don’t. Think about it, if you see a disheveled obese person with no teeth what are your thoughts? If you see a thin middle aged blonde women driving an SUV? If you see a child who has poor social skills and appears unintelligent? If you see a black woman working in a hospital? Everyone subconsciously stereotypes even if they don’t want to acknowledge it.

True that.

But if you do the counterfactual and just replace someone with another race in any context and if changes your way of thinking, this is racial bias.

Take TJ. Replace 70 percent Asian with 70 percent White or 70 percent Black. I don't think we would be having the same controversy. Therefore, people are calling out bias.

If TJ were a selective magnet that was 70% White in 2020, we would absolutely be having this conversation. Schools in FCPS that are less than 70% White get called out as lily white and they aren't held out as prominently as TJ.

Granted, there's no way to prove or disprove this, but to assert otherwise suggests you are either detached from reality or have a greatly exaggerated sense of your own victimhood.

There might be some whispers here and there but they would not do what they are now doing to TJ.

Yes, I agree.

Many neighborhood privates are something like 75% White. Nysmith, Potomac, St. Stephen's, etc. Granted, they are private, but we don't hear any outcry about such a racial profile.

The reason it is different for TJ is because it is indeed majority Asian and there is a tinge of "they cheated to get there," "they spend tens of thousands of dollars prepping," "they are forcing a cut-throat environment" type of stereotyping. "They" meaning Asians. This is racial bias.

Cheaters, preppers, and cut-throat environments are everywhere. Go look at the reviews of any highly ranked school in the county in Niche and you will see this.

True, cheaters and preppers are everywhere and viewed with the same disdain. I think we are focusing on TJ because it’s affecting us, by us I mean every child in this area. Who knows what’s happening somewhere in Idaho or Wisconsin? Who cares? I think, for some reason, Asians are taking this as a personal assault, when that isn’t the intention.