Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:Right, that’s the same. Lord you’re dumb.

They are comparable because weight loss through diet/exercise is something that you actually have to work for. Test prep is literally available to all students - FREE - through Kahn Academy. Some students take advantage of it, some don't.

Cheating is not the same thing as test prep.

Kids who work after school to support their family and are up early to care for disabled parents, should... you know... just use Kahn academy... because you know... everybody has Internet.

Lady you are soooooooooo privileged you are literally blind.

NP here. My friends and I came from poor and working class households. We worked after school or on weekends. We test prepped using books from the library. We all did well enough -- I went to NYU on a full ride, my friends went to SUNYs, one to Boston, one to Yale, one to Harvard. It's not easy but it's not impossible. It's also not outright fraud!

I'm glad my kids will have Khan Academy and likely other free options.

Thanks for the gaslighting!

Sure you are.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

I'm not super pissed, and I will use tutors for my kids when they need it. Especially for the SAT/ACT. Because I can afford it.

I didn't make up the rules of the game, just playing the game.

And guess what? When my kids need to take the LSAT or the MCAT? They'll probably pay for a tutor or a prep class then too. Shocker, I know!!

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

This. Same end goal of a prestigious undergrad degree for their progeny, but the fraudsters had more money to throw at the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

Yeah, working hard in school and understanding the material is sooo lame.

Well obviously you did not work hard in school and understand ... that is why you had tutors and test prep.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Um, I'm a black woman and I'm still surprised. Why not just donate directly to the schools? Why have the kids go to college at all? As PPS have mentioned, they are already set for life.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

No. Nice white people not so much they just go to their state schools

Stivers are pissing themselves and it is cracking me up.

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Are you seriously comparing open/honest test prep with paying someone to actually take the test for you or bribing a university official to help get your kid admitted? That's like comparing dieting and exercising to getting liposuction and tummy tucks. There is a difference between what you actually DO and what is done for you.

I'm saying that test prep does not show the actual ability of the kid compared to the kids that don't test prep.

It's more like give your kid organic veggies and fruits and give another kid oodles of noodles and mac and cheese ... then compare their weight and say your kid worked harder. They didn't... they were given better food. Your kid isn't better... their SAT score is manipulated by the Test prep. If you kid was so smart they would not need to test prep... but since everybody test preps you have to.

It's like football players who don't do steroids are expected to compete against players that do take steroids... it's unfair.

If my kid chose to spend his Saturday afternoons doing test prep than he probably should do better on a test that another kid didn't bother to take seriously. There is so much free test prep out there now and you can google testing strategies. That's not cheating, that is called being prepared for an important test.

Students have been test prepping for a long time - I attended a test prep at my HS 35 years ago. Had I not taken the math courses and English courses leading up to the SAT, all the test prep in the world wouldn't have helped me to learn the material. Prep was more about getting familiarized with the test and learning test taking strategies.

Openly prepping for a test in an above board manner is NOT the same thing as being given a cheat sheet or paying someone to take the test for you or cheating off of the person sitting next to you.

EXACTLY!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Why they need to bribe? Why not just donate like everyone else does?

Well in the penn situation, it’s a function of price.

It costs about 2-4 million in giving if you want your kid in at Penn.

But bribing a coach to put a recruit tag on you can be had as low as 75-100k.

Coaches in the Ivy League are poorly paid so are ripe targets for bribes.

Good point. You don't see any SEC football coaches doing this (The money goes the other way).

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Um, I'm a black woman and I'm still surprised. Why not just donate directly to the schools? Why have the kids go to college at all? As PPS have mentioned, they are already set for life.

Because this is cheaper. Donating $15k doesn’t get you very far. But for the idiot who spent $6+mil, yeah good point.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

You clearly have anger and jealousy issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Olivia Jade, Lori Loughlin's daughter, is just the gift that keeps on giving. Here she explaining how her mother MADE her attend college. Starts at 2:25. THIS WAS THREE DAYS AGO!!!!

Lori definitely had no idea what was coming down the pipe.

Lori Loughlin deserves everything she gets just for raising this entitled, spoiled BRAT and pushing her out in to society.

+1 gazillion.
This is the first time I've seen this girl, but boy, if my daughter grew up like that, I'd jump out of the window.

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This conversation is taking me back. I spent most of my junior year in high school practicing for a local (major metropolitan area) music competition which I didn't win. I was a finalist, but the girl that won had parents who had literally rigged the competition in her favor. Every one else had to perform works from a certain repertoire list -- except her. She showed up and played different music and apparently her parents had made a deal with the university that hosted the competition and the judges because she "needed to win" this competition in order to get into a conservatory and the rest of us were just little Asian kids who wanted to go to medical school, so you know . . .

What I remember was her entitlement, even after the scheme was uncovered -- like of course this prize should have been given to her and not to us poor kids who actually practiced. I remember being really bitter that I had given up so much. I didn't go on vacation with my family at Christmas but stayed home to practice. I didn't go to the prom because I wanted to stay home and practice. And this entitled girl didn't miss out on a single activity, not a prom or a vacation.

I got over it, but always assumed it was a bug, not a feature of American life. Kind of sad to realize that indeed the deck has always been stacked against us hard working Joes and that there is an entire group of people who believe that the rules don't apply to them, because they don't.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Amen

signed

first generation imiigrant and Columbia PhD

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

+1.

Public data shows that actually it is much harder for qualified Asian Americans and whites to get in, as a result of AA racial discrimination.

But it's hard to shallow for some.