Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Are you seriously comparing open/honest test prep with paying someone to actually take the test for you or bribing a university official to help get your kid admitted? That's like comparing dieting and exercising to getting liposuction and tummy tucks. There is a difference between what you actually DO and what is done for you.

I'm saying that test prep does not show the actual ability of the kid compared to the kids that don't test prep.

It's more like give your kid organic veggies and fruits and give another kid oodles of noodles and mac and cheese ... then compare their weight and say your kid worked harder. They didn't... they were given better food. Your kid isn't better... their SAT score is manipulated by the Test prep. If you kid was so smart they would not need to test prep... but since everybody test preps you have to.

It's like football players who don't do steroids are expected to compete against players that do take steroids... it's unfair.

If my kid chose to spend his Saturday afternoons doing test prep than he probably should do better on a test that another kid didn't bother to take seriously. There is so much free test prep out there now and you can google testing strategies. That's not cheating, that is called being prepared for an important test.

Students have been test prepping for a long time - I attended a test prep at my HS 35 years ago. Had I not taken the math courses and English courses leading up to the SAT, all the test prep in the world wouldn't have helped me to learn the material. Prep was more about getting familiarized with the test and learning test taking strategies.

Openly prepping for a test in an above board manner is NOT the same thing as being given a cheat sheet or paying someone to take the test for you or cheating off of the person sitting next to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Are you seriously comparing open/honest test prep with paying someone to actually take the test for you or bribing a university official to help get your kid admitted? That's like comparing dieting and exercising to getting liposuction and tummy tucks. There is a difference between what you actually DO and what is done for you.

I'm saying that test prep does not show the actual ability of the kid compared to the kids that don't test prep.

It's more like give your kid organic veggies and fruits and give another kid oodles of noodles and mac and cheese ... then compare their weight and say your kid worked harder. They didn't... they were given better food. Your kid isn't better... their SAT score is manipulated by the Test prep. If you kid was so smart they would not need to test prep... but since everybody test preps you have to.

It's like football players who don't do steroids are expected to compete against players that do take steroids... it's unfair.

So, the kids who go to the library and use the free computers to test prep on Khan Academy are entitled frauds? How about the kids who do the free test prep provided by their High Schools? Also entitled frauds?

I'm not saying standardized tests used for admission to colleges is a flawless system? But what else do we have? Total blind lotteries without any criteria?

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Olivia Jade, Lori Loughlin's daughter, is just the gift that keeps on giving. Here she explaining how her mother MADE her attend college. Starts at 2:25. THIS WAS THREE DAYS AGO!!!!

Lori definitely had no idea what was coming down the pipe.

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Anonymous wrote:So does anyone think any of these parents will actually serve jail time? I doubt it. The mastermind will, and I assume some of the coaches will as well.

This. No one except head of business and maybe a few coaches.

Hefty fines and community service for parents. No jail time, as I suspect these parents would have no prior convictions.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Are you seriously comparing open/honest test prep with paying someone to actually take the test for you or bribing a university official to help get your kid admitted? That's like comparing dieting and exercising to getting liposuction and tummy tucks. There is a difference between what you actually DO and what is done for you.

I'm saying that test prep does not show the actual ability of the kid compared to the kids that don't test prep.

It's more like give your kid organic veggies and fruits and give another kid oodles of noodles and mac and cheese ... then compare their weight and say your kid worked harder. They didn't... they were given better food. Your kid isn't better... their SAT score is manipulated by the Test prep. If you kid was so smart they would not need to test prep... but since everybody test preps you have to.

It's like football players who don't do steroids are expected to compete against players that do take steroids... it's unfair.

If my kid chose to spend his Saturday afternoons doing test prep than he probably should do better on a test that another kid didn't bother to take seriously. There is so much free test prep out there now and you can google testing strategies. That's not cheating, that is called being prepared for an important test.

Students have been test prepping for a long time - I attended a test prep at my HS 35 years ago. Had I not taken the math courses and English courses leading up to the SAT, all the test prep in the world wouldn't have helped me to learn the material. Prep was more about getting familiarized with the test and learning test taking strategies.

Openly prepping for a test in an above board manner is NOT the same thing as being given a cheat sheet or paying someone to take the test for you or cheating off of the person sitting next to you.

Okay Becky! Whatever you say....

Kids who work after school to support their family and are up early to care for disabled parents, should... you know... just use Kahn academy... because you know... everybody has Internet.

Lady you are soooooooooo privileged you are literally blind.

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Anonymous wrote:So was it the entrance exam guy that blew the lid on this whole thing? I want to know who blew the whistle on the entire operation because they deserve some accolades from middle class America.

If I've seen enough "Law and Order" episodes - and I think I have -it is usually some other person not named in the indictment who's already made the deal with prosecution. Then they go after the firm's owners who are looking at the longest jail times and are now dragging their clients along with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Come on, you can't seriously be comparing test prepping a student with someone fraudulently impersonating a student to take a test for them?

A test prepping student still needs to bust his ass! Prepping is hard work! How dare you equate that with cheating!

But what about the families that can't afford the prep. I went to one of those free "let me show you how we do this" seminars and it is dirty. Not illegal like this, but dirty. Showing kids every shortcut, what to look for, how to decipher and breakdown each question. Which passages to read, which ones to skip. How many X questions are on each test and how to learn those. The last 3 years trended this way. blah blah blah.

It is an upper hand to those that go to those prep courses. Not to mention the $100/hr tutors that come to your house to find every angle to get you a better score. Even families living her making $100K to $250K have no idea what the rest of the country is like. Maybe you didn't bribe people, but you allowed your child everything they needed. No working during the school year (my kid is "sooooo" busy!) You made sure they got into top private schools and paid for it. You went over all the forms 10X over and made sure your kids applied IB and magnet. You decided where you would live in relation to schools/education. You pushed until they got into the classes they needed for a inflated GPA. You paid for educational camps and clubs. You made their applications "well rounded" with tons of EC's. You have the money to allow the kids to take it multiple times and get tutors/prep between each one to micromanage it into a better score.

I mean even having the time to read to your kid is more than many poor and lower middle class families have time or event the means to do. Handing them activities as kids, money each week for doing nothing is entitlement. I mean how many seniors have never worked a job, but have cars in the school parking lot? Entitlement. YOU just don't see it that way because you have surrounded yourself with similar people.

Many kids can not do EC's because they work 30 hours a week while going to high school full time. This helps keep food on the table for their family. Many could never in a million years get test prep or tutors, let alone a book to help them study on their own. Many go home to no heat or electricity. Many are fosters or homeless. Or basically parentless with drugged out families.

College admissions will never be even be close to even unless they took every kid to a boarding school away from their families (for better or worse) and teach them there. No money given. They apply on their own to colleges. But that will never happen.

So at the very least, they need to stop inflated grades. Stop allowing so many retakes of standardized tests. Stop making EC's such a big deal. Stop allowing donations and legacy to have any merit on a child's worth into a college. And for the love of God, get rid of the ED and ED2 that are also for only the rich. So corrupt.

This is so true, it is SCARY.

I am African-American and my parents paid for me to have private test prep. I am from an average family and I even had tutors in high school for math and science. Several, of my peers also had the same thing and are minorities.

Average in America is total income of $56,000. Are you saying your parents made that or less and still paid thousands for test prep and a hundred dollars an hour for tutors? And why are you mentioning race? No on here is.

DP: not everyone is as dumb as you are. You can do perfectly fine test prep in much cheaper ways, even for free.

Please enlighten me on where you can get private test prep for cheap or free? And tutors all thru high school.

I was just mentioning my race because everyone is making it seem like it's a certain demographic that does this aka the elite. However, tons of people do. In high school my asian, hispanic and black friends did as well as white kids. And we were all from average families nothing out of the ordinary. And no, I just meant average for the DC area...so obviously not $56,000 I know that's a huge debate. But, I'm just saying these D list celebrities aren't the only people who do test preps and tutors.What they did is wrong, but test prep and tutors is not illegal by any means.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

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I did not get my undergrad in the US, so no dog in this fight.

However, from my perspective, the young adults who pose as other students, the ones who write essays for money, etc, should not be vilified like they have been on this site. At least they are working their brains for money, instead of something else! I have more respect for them than I have for rabid posters insulting them online. They are the products of the immense pressure to obtain brand-name diplomas in our society, just because we give so much more respect and money to people with degrees.

Don't blame the grade providers - blame the ones paying for grades/diplomas, blame the system. And don't forget to vote or run for office yourself, instead of grumbling on the internet.

You have to have an undergrad in the US to argue the ethics of being a part of cheating? You can’t be this dumb. Tell us where you were educated. Please.

Paris, France. University is free. No need to pay people to cheat for you

Yet, I'm sure that you have to test into certain courses, right? Not everyone places into Calc 2 as a college freshman do they?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone explain this to me:

Once these students were admitted, how were they supposed to keep up with their coursework? Were the parents planning to bribe the professors or administrators? Did Singer continue to facilitate bribes after enrollment? What would the endgame be?

This is what I'm wondering. It's one thing to bribe your kid's way in to college, but how did they actually expect them to graduate?

It doesn't matter if they graduate, but even attending for a year or so is a decent credential while they try to figure out what to do with their lives.

It's also harder to get into some of these schools than graduate. They can also easily afford a 5-year plan, so there is time to re-take classes etc.

I went to Stanford. Believe me, there were complete idiots who managed to graduate just by picking an easy major.

Chelsea Clinton, history major at Stanford.

Chelsea has since gone on to get a PhD from Oxford.

Yeah, sorry if you hate the Clintons, but Chelsea is intelligent, unlike Lori's nitwit daughters.

+1 I have friends who went to Sidwell with Chelsea and she's definitely pretty smart.

She was A NMF, so yes, I think too she was actually smart

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

Yeah, working hard in school and understanding the material is sooo lame.

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Anonymous wrote:Olivia Jade, Lori Loughlin's daughter, is just the gift that keeps on giving. Here she explaining how her mother MADE her attend college. Starts at 2:25. THIS WAS THREE DAYS AGO!!!!

Lori definitely had no idea what was coming down the pipe.

Lori Loughlin deserves everything she gets just for raising this entitled, spoiled BRAT and pushing her out in to society.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, that’s the same. Lord you’re dumb.

They are comparable because weight loss through diet/exercise is something that you actually have to work for. Test prep is literally available to all students - FREE - through Kahn Academy. Some students take advantage of it, some don't.

Cheating is not the same thing as test prep.

Kids who work after school to support their family and are up early to care for disabled parents, should... you know... just use Kahn academy... because you know... everybody has Internet.

Lady you are soooooooooo privileged you are literally blind.

NP here. My friends and I came from poor and working class households. We worked after school or on weekends. We test prepped using books from the library. We all did well enough -- I went to NYU on a full ride, my friends went to SUNYs, one to Boston, one to Yale, one to Harvard. It's not easy but it's not impossible. It's also not outright fraud!

I'm glad my kids will have Khan Academy and likely other free options.

Thanks for the gaslighting!

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Are you seriously comparing open/honest test prep with paying someone to actually take the test for you or bribing a university official to help get your kid admitted? That's like comparing dieting and exercising to getting liposuction and tummy tucks. There is a difference between what you actually DO and what is done for you.

I'm saying that test prep does not show the actual ability of the kid compared to the kids that don't test prep.

It's more like give your kid organic veggies and fruits and give another kid oodles of noodles and mac and cheese ... then compare their weight and say your kid worked harder. They didn't... they were given better food. Your kid isn't better... their SAT score is manipulated by the Test prep. If you kid was so smart they would not need to test prep... but since everybody test preps you have to.

It's like football players who don't do steroids are expected to compete against players that do take steroids... it's unfair.

If my kid chose to spend his Saturday afternoons doing test prep than he probably should do better on a test that another kid didn't bother to take seriously. There is so much free test prep out there now and you can google testing strategies. That's not cheating, that is called being prepared for an important test.

Students have been test prepping for a long time - I attended a test prep at my HS 35 years ago. Had I not taken the math courses and English courses leading up to the SAT, all the test prep in the world wouldn't have helped me to learn the material. Prep was more about getting familiarized with the test and learning test taking strategies.

Openly prepping for a test in an above board manner is NOT the same thing as being given a cheat sheet or paying someone to take the test for you or cheating off of the person sitting next to you.

So your entitled child never has to work... nice. Perfect that is what we need another entitle kid running the world.

Do the world a favor, make him get a job Junior year of HS and see what it is really like to work hard for grades.

Are you people real or bots?