Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

I'm not super pissed, and I will use tutors for my kids when they need it. Especially for the SAT/ACT. Because I can afford it.

I didn't make up the rules of the game, just playing the game.

And guess what? When my kids need to take the LSAT or the MCAT? They'll probably pay for a tutor or a prep class then too. Shocker, I know!!

It's not shocking. We know rich people play the system. Thanks for admitting it though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why they need to bribe? Why not just donate like everyone else does?

Well in the penn situation, it’s a function of price.

It costs about 2-4 million in giving if you want your kid in at Penn.

But bribing a coach to put a recruit tag on you can be had as low as 75-100k.

Coaches in the Ivy League are poorly paid so are ripe targets for bribes.

Good point. You don't see any SEC football coaches doing this (The money goes the other way).

There's also way more scrutiny on every single recruiting spot for SEC football. But USC Trojans crew? Georgetown Tennis? Those aren't sports that are under the same level of scrutiny and those are sports where those schools aren't national powerhouses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

+1.

Public data shows that actually it is much harder for qualified Asian Americans and whites to get in, as a result of AA racial discrimination.

But it's hard to shallow for some.

not if you use their 1st test score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This conversation is taking me back. I spent most of my junior year in high school practicing for a local (major metropolitan area) music competition which I didn't win. I was a finalist, but the girl that won had parents who had literally rigged the competition in her favor. Every one else had to perform works from a certain repertoire list -- except her. She showed up and played different music and apparently her parents had made a deal with the university that hosted the competition and the judges because she "needed to win" this competition in order to get into a conservatory and the rest of us were just little Asian kids who wanted to go to medical school, so you know . . .

What I remember was her entitlement, even after the scheme was uncovered -- like of course this prize should have been given to her and not to us poor kids who actually practiced. I remember being really bitter that I had given up so much. I didn't go on vacation with my family at Christmas but stayed home to practice. I didn't go to the prom because I wanted to stay home and practice. And this entitled girl didn't miss out on a single activity, not a prom or a vacation.

I got over it, but always assumed it was a bug, not a feature of American life. Kind of sad to realize that indeed the deck has always been stacked against us hard working Joes and that there is an entire group of people who believe that the rules don't apply to them, because they don't.

How old are you? You're just woke up to realize that some animals are more equal than others?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This conversation is taking me back. I spent most of my junior year in high school practicing for a local (major metropolitan area) music competition which I didn't win. I was a finalist, but the girl that won had parents who had literally rigged the competition in her favor. Every one else had to perform works from a certain repertoire list -- except her. She showed up and played different music and apparently her parents had made a deal with the university that hosted the competition and the judges because she "needed to win" this competition in order to get into a conservatory and the rest of us were just little Asian kids who wanted to go to medical school, so you know . . .

What I remember was her entitlement, even after the scheme was uncovered -- like of course this prize should have been given to her and not to us poor kids who actually practiced. I remember being really bitter that I had given up so much. I didn't go on vacation with my family at Christmas but stayed home to practice. I didn't go to the prom because I wanted to stay home and practice. And this entitled girl didn't miss out on a single activity, not a prom or a vacation.

I got over it, but always assumed it was a bug, not a feature of American life. Kind of sad to realize that indeed the deck has always been stacked against us hard working Joes and that there is an entire group of people who believe that the rules don't apply to them, because they don't.

That's really unfortunate. I remember being a senior at a local nova high school and a friend of mine who was white was pissed and made it known that this asian guy got into the IVY and she was waitlisted. They both had the same grades, but she chose a very general path (bio) and he chose some astrophysics path. Her entitlement really bothered me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the downside of holistic admissions. Too easy to manipulate the results.

Yet another reason why schools should no longer be allowed to offer preferences or scholarships to athletes.

It wasn't just athleticism. These parents paid people to take the SAT and ACTs in place of their kids and submit those scores in the admissions packet.

They'll get them on all counts of fraud.

How is that even possible now? I mean, when I took the SAT (graduated HS in 2000), my ID was scrutinized because I'd gained about 40 lbs. after an injury that required me to be on steroids. My face shape really changed and I didn't look anything like my school ID or official ID.

I wonder if proctors were also part of the bribery to look the other way.

The article I saw said the person who took the test had a fake id with his photo and the student's name. However, he (male) apparently also took the test for a female, so something is odd there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

Sounds like you’re pissed because you can’t afford a private tutor for your child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why they need to bribe? Why not just donate like everyone else does?

Well in the penn situation, it’s a function of price.

It costs about 2-4 million in giving if you want your kid in at Penn.

But bribing a coach to put a recruit tag on you can be had as low as 75-100k.

Coaches in the Ivy League are poorly paid so are ripe targets for bribes.

Good point. You don't see any SEC football coaches doing this (The money goes the other way).

This scam could never have worked at serious football school. In the indictment one of the parents even points out that this is not going to work at Notre Dame or any school where people follow recruits intensely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

+1.

Public data shows that actually it is much harder for qualified Asian Americans and whites to get in, as a result of AA racial discrimination.

But it's hard to shallow for some.

not if you use their 1st test score.

You mean, at birth?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

Sounds like you’re pissed because you can’t afford a private tutor for your child.

Has probably been banned from his local library for not returning too many books and other misbehavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I sort of feel bad for the kids - in some cases they probably didn't even know this was happening, and now they are screwed.

I think Buckingham's son was totally blindsided. Also are indictments sealed until release? So did the parents in the scandal have time to prepare before this morning?

Not that I'm shedding tears for them but a LOT of them have open social media right now. Too bad proud mom is heading to the slammer.

Did he submit fraudulent test scores or did he put false info on his college app? I haven't read about his particular situation but if he submitted fraudulent scores or falsified his application in another way...how exactly is he blindsided by this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

PP here. You must be one of the people I’m talking about. The hit dog will holler.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

Sounds like you’re pissed because you can’t afford a private tutor for your child.

I'm not pissed I'm loving this. I love the Harvard frivolous lawsuit. I love all the people that imagine that 1 spot was stolen from their precious test prepped child. It cracks me up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

+1.

Public data shows that actually it is much harder for qualified Asian Americans and whites to get in, as a result of AA racial discrimination.

But it's hard to shallow for some.

Did it ever occur to you that your precious snowflake doesn’t deserve to go to college?

Like the idiot whose penmanship is worse than a two-year-old’s?

Or the Loughlin daughter who stated in no less than three taped interviews that she hated school?

Or a different kid on the indictment who scored a 1032 on the SATs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

You clearly have anger and jealousy issues.

PP here. Sorry the truth hurts.