Reported hazing incident involving Damascus High School JV Football team

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

“Some people seem to think”? The court document a PP linked above clearly states that the nature of the crime is a factor determining whether they should be moved to criminal court.

You can argue all you like about how our justice system “should” be used, but it’s clearly being used in this case according to the rules and how it was intended. And some of us (the ones without gang rapist teenagers, presumably) are fine with that.

"It's legal" and "It's appropriate" are separate concepts. Ideally they overlap, but often they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“Some people seem to think”? The court document a PP linked above clearly states that the nature of the crime is a factor determining whether they should be moved to criminal court.

You can argue all you like about how our justice system “should” be used, but it’s clearly being used in this case according to the rules and how it was intended. And some of us (the ones without gang rapist teenagers, presumably) are fine with that.

"It's legal" and "It's appropriate" are separate concepts. Ideally they overlap, but often they don't.

Trying them as adults in this case is both legal and appropriate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“Some people seem to think”? The court document a PP linked above clearly states that the nature of the crime is a factor determining whether they should be moved to criminal court.

You can argue all you like about how our justice system “should” be used, but it’s clearly being used in this case according to the rules and how it was intended. And some of us (the ones without gang rapist teenagers, presumably) are fine with that.

"It's legal" and "It's appropriate" are separate concepts. Ideally they overlap, but often they don't.

Trying them as adults in this case is both legal and appropriate

Well, your opinion is that it is both legal and appropriate. My opinion is that it is legal (I assume; I am not a lawyer) but not appropriate.

[Anonymous]

Would your opinion be different if the perps had allegedly raped 14 year old girls with a broomstick?

[Anonymous]

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is doubting the severity of the crime. The question is whether it's appropriate to charge 15-year-olds as adults. Some people seem to think that the size of the juvenile is a relevant factor.

+1
And they are not ashamed to say so

Some people also seem to think that juvenile detention centers are for "minor" crimes like shoplifting and vandalism.

Prosecuting children as adults is what weak, "tough on crime" prosecutors do. It appeals to the American thirst for vengeance, but is bad for recidivism, and only serves to destroy the futures of young lives. It's a punitive act taken before the youth is even found guilty. It will likely remove the opportunity of an education and mental health services from the youth ensuring that there is little hope of rehabilitation or a decent future. We just don't believe in redemption in this country.

Fortunately, there is a movement throughout the country to stop the experiment of prosecuting children as adults. The experiment has not worked. We have juvenile courts for a reason. It should be used for all juveniles, and be designed to handle all juveniles.

They violently raped multiple boys.

They do not belong in the juvenile court system.

Didn't you know that the kids are juveniles? That's what the juvenile court system is for. Juveniles. They are not adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is doubting the severity of the crime. The question is whether it's appropriate to charge 15-year-olds as adults. Some people seem to think that the size of the juvenile is a relevant factor.

+1
And they are not ashamed to say so

Some people also seem to think that juvenile detention centers are for "minor" crimes like shoplifting and vandalism.

Prosecuting children as adults is what weak, "tough on crime" prosecutors do. It appeals to the American thirst for vengeance, but is bad for recidivism, and only serves to destroy the futures of young lives. It's a punitive act taken before the youth is even found guilty. It will likely remove the opportunity of an education and mental health services from the youth ensuring that there is little hope of rehabilitation or a decent future. We just don't believe in redemption in this country.

Fortunately, there is a movement throughout the country to stop the experiment of prosecuting children as adults. The experiment has not worked. We have juvenile courts for a reason. It should be used for all juveniles, and be designed to handle all juveniles.

They violently raped multiple boys.

They do not belong in the juvenile court system.

Didn't you know that the kids are juveniles? That's what the juvenile court system is for. Juveniles. They are not adults.

In this case they are adults.

What is wrong with your logic and how do you not understand the despicable deviant nature of their adult crime?

[Anonymous]

No, they're being tried as adults. They are still juveniles. In Maryland juveniles being tried as adults can be housed separately from adults, sometimes in a juvenile wing, until they turn 18.

[Anonymous]

Fifteen-year-olds are definitely not adults. There is a lot of research about adolescent brain development relating to their decision-making and impulsiveness. For example:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4671080/

This does not at all excuse their behavior, but it does call for an acknowledgement that they are not yet adults and their punishment and rehabilitation should reflect that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, they're being tried as adults. They are still juveniles. In Maryland juveniles being tried as adults can be housed separately from adults, sometimes in a juvenile wing, until they turn 18.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, they're being tried as adults. They are still juveniles. In Maryland juveniles being tried as adults can be housed separately from adults, sometimes in a juvenile wing, until they turn 18.

This.

Do you mean an adult penitentiary that has a juvenile wing?
Adult prisons do not have that. They might have an isolation until

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, they're being tried as adults. They are still juveniles. In Maryland juveniles being tried as adults can be housed separately from adults, sometimes in a juvenile wing, until they turn 18.

This.

Do you mean an adult penitentiary that has a juvenile wing?
Adult prisons do not have that. They might have an isolation until

You're both right. From the web: While adult facilities in some states separate juveniles from adult inmates, many do not. Children as young as thirteen may be held alongside adult offenders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Didn't you know that the kids are juveniles? That's what the juvenile court system is for. Juveniles. They are not adults.

To be clear, you think child rape is an offense that should be handled differently than adult rape?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Didn't you know that the kids are juveniles? That's what the juvenile court system is for. Juveniles. They are not adults.

To be clear, you think child rape is an offense that should be handled differently than adult rape?

DP. I think that non-adults accused or convicted of crimes should be handled differently from adults accused or convicted of crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would your opinion be different if the perps had allegedly raped 14 year old girls with a broomstick?

We would not be discussing this because the court might not try them and certainly not as adults.

Remember the court system is full of Bret Kavanaughs.