Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The challenge with this precedent (if it ends up surviving appeal) is that it sets a standard whereby it's increasingly difficult to rectify any admissions process that is "facially neutral" if it has a "disparate impact" in the first place.

The old exam-based admissions process was every bit as "facially neutral" as the new one, and had a much greater "disparate impact" when measured against the applying population than the new one does by any mathematical standard of evaluation. But because it was pre-existing, and because the School Board was extremely clumsy in their implementation and communications, you ended up with the decision you had.

Imagine for a moment that TJ were a brand-new school and that its first incoming class were selected by this new process and that there were no problematic communications to look at - meaning that the process were to be evaluated on its own merit. Would it survive a legal challenge? I don't think Judge Hilton addressed this very important point at all in his opinion.
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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The challenge with this precedent (if it ends up surviving appeal) is that it sets a standard whereby it's increasingly difficult to rectify any admissions process that is "facially neutral" if it has a "disparate impact" in the first place.

The old exam-based admissions process was every bit as "facially neutral" as the new one, and had a much greater "disparate impact" when measured against the applying population than the new one does by any mathematical standard of evaluation. But because it was pre-existing, and because the School Board was extremely clumsy in their implementation and communications, you ended up with the decision you had.

Imagine for a moment that TJ were a brand-new school and that its first incoming class were selected by this new process and that there were no problematic communications to look at - meaning that the process were to be evaluated on its own merit. Would it survive a legal challenge? I don't think Judge Hilton addressed this very important point at all in his opinion.


+1000 the above is why Hilton's decision won't even be a relevant precedent for challenges to the next iteration of the TJ Admissions Process, as long as a new FCPS Superintendent takes the intelligent step of putting together an independent commission to design the new process that the School Board then votes on. This Board has already shown themselves incapable of handling this task.
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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.


Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.


Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?


PP. Honestly, for some it's possible, but as an extremely loud pro-reform person, those folks can go kick rocks.
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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The challenge with this precedent (if it ends up surviving appeal) is that it sets a standard whereby it's increasingly difficult to rectify any admissions process that is "facially neutral" if it has a "disparate impact" in the first place.

The old exam-based admissions process was every bit as "facially neutral" as the new one, and had a much greater "disparate impact" when measured against the applying population than the new one does by any mathematical standard of evaluation. But because it was pre-existing, and because the School Board was extremely clumsy in their implementation and communications, you ended up with the decision you had.

Imagine for a moment that TJ were a brand-new school and that its first incoming class were selected by this new process and that there were no problematic communications to look at - meaning that the process were to be evaluated on its own merit. Would it survive a legal challenge? I don't think Judge Hilton addressed this very important point at all in his opinion.


+1000 the above is why Hilton's decision won't even be a relevant precedent for challenges to the next iteration of the TJ Admissions Process, as long as a new FCPS Superintendent takes the intelligent step of putting together an independent commission to design the new process that the School Board then votes on. This Board has already shown themselves incapable of handling this task.


You mean hide their racist intent better next time? So, they must be a racist and a better liar next time they implement their racist agenda.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.


Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?


Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The challenge with this precedent (if it ends up surviving appeal) is that it sets a standard whereby it's increasingly difficult to rectify any admissions process that is "facially neutral" if it has a "disparate impact" in the first place.

The old exam-based admissions process was every bit as "facially neutral" as the new one, and had a much greater "disparate impact" when measured against the applying population than the new one does by any mathematical standard of evaluation. But because it was pre-existing, and because the School Board was extremely clumsy in their implementation and communications, you ended up with the decision you had.

Imagine for a moment that TJ were a brand-new school and that its first incoming class were selected by this new process and that there were no problematic communications to look at - meaning that the process were to be evaluated on its own merit. Would it survive a legal challenge? I don't think Judge Hilton addressed this very important point at all in his opinion.


+1000 the above is why Hilton's decision won't even be a relevant precedent for challenges to the next iteration of the TJ Admissions Process, as long as a new FCPS Superintendent takes the intelligent step of putting together an independent commission to design the new process that the School Board then votes on. This Board has already shown themselves incapable of handling this task.


You mean hide their racist intent better next time? So, they must be a racist and a better liar next time they implement their racist agenda.


+1 Asian Supremacists Unite! An admissions process that results in a 75% Asian class is appropriate because we are that much better than everyone else!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.


Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?


Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...


Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The challenge with this precedent (if it ends up surviving appeal) is that it sets a standard whereby it's increasingly difficult to rectify any admissions process that is "facially neutral" if it has a "disparate impact" in the first place.

The old exam-based admissions process was every bit as "facially neutral" as the new one, and had a much greater "disparate impact" when measured against the applying population than the new one does by any mathematical standard of evaluation. But because it was pre-existing, and because the School Board was extremely clumsy in their implementation and communications, you ended up with the decision you had.

Imagine for a moment that TJ were a brand-new school and that its first incoming class were selected by this new process and that there were no problematic communications to look at - meaning that the process were to be evaluated on its own merit. Would it survive a legal challenge? I don't think Judge Hilton addressed this very important point at all in his opinion.


+1000 the above is why Hilton's decision won't even be a relevant precedent for challenges to the next iteration of the TJ Admissions Process, as long as a new FCPS Superintendent takes the intelligent step of putting together an independent commission to design the new process that the School Board then votes on. This Board has already shown themselves incapable of handling this task.


You mean hide their racist intent better next time? So, they must be a racist and a better liar next time they implement their racist agenda.


+1 Asian Supremacists Unite! An admissions process that results in a 75% Asian class is appropriate because we are that much better than everyone else!


Asians will be united but not to be some supremacist like you but to vote out those fumbling bumbling racist fools masquerading as education leaders.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The challenge with this precedent (if it ends up surviving appeal) is that it sets a standard whereby it's increasingly difficult to rectify any admissions process that is "facially neutral" if it has a "disparate impact" in the first place.

The old exam-based admissions process was every bit as "facially neutral" as the new one, and had a much greater "disparate impact" when measured against the applying population than the new one does by any mathematical standard of evaluation. But because it was pre-existing, and because the School Board was extremely clumsy in their implementation and communications, you ended up with the decision you had.

Imagine for a moment that TJ were a brand-new school and that its first incoming class were selected by this new process and that there were no problematic communications to look at - meaning that the process were to be evaluated on its own merit. Would it survive a legal challenge? I don't think Judge Hilton addressed this very important point at all in his opinion.


+1000 the above is why Hilton's decision won't even be a relevant precedent for challenges to the next iteration of the TJ Admissions Process, as long as a new FCPS Superintendent takes the intelligent step of putting together an independent commission to design the new process that the School Board then votes on. This Board has already shown themselves incapable of handling this task.


You mean hide their racist intent better next time? So, they must be a racist and a better liar next time they implement their racist agenda.


FCPS has been able to avoid so many political clashes because they lack a large African-American population. Imagine if FCPS was more like PG County at 60% Black demographics. If TJ was still 75% Asian while the county was 60% Black, I think you can admit that we'd be calling the admissions process "racist" for not having more black students.

So it's the same story right now, except that without a large percentage of a single minority standing out as disparately impacted, the impact on them doesn't seem as large as the impact on 75% Asian enrollment.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.


Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?


Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...


Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.


There is no truth to this assertion. The groups that were involved in the admissions reform would have been thrilled had the result of the changes been a class that was 70% Asian, 10% white, 10% Black, and 10% Hispanic. Especially if it had come along with the same changes as far as economically disadvantaged students.

The whole "white beneficiaries" thing is a red herring that is designed to elicit sympathy from progressives. It's effective, but it has no basis in reality. C4TJ attempted to put out a study that suggested that the merit lottery proposal (which I hated, btw) would have resulted in a class that was plurality-white at something like 44% - but it presumed that EVERY student eligible in the catchment areas would apply to TJ - something like 9000 applicants. There is NO stakeholder in this process who is interested in more white students at TJ.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.


Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?


Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...


That's pretty much every class at any Engineering/CS program in a college that matters.. I don't think most people take that "rule" seriously. If they did, the class would be 80-90% Asian, wouldn't it.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The challenge with this precedent (if it ends up surviving appeal) is that it sets a standard whereby it's increasingly difficult to rectify any admissions process that is "facially neutral" if it has a "disparate impact" in the first place.

The old exam-based admissions process was every bit as "facially neutral" as the new one, and had a much greater "disparate impact" when measured against the applying population than the new one does by any mathematical standard of evaluation. But because it was pre-existing, and because the School Board was extremely clumsy in their implementation and communications, you ended up with the decision you had.

Imagine for a moment that TJ were a brand-new school and that its first incoming class were selected by this new process and that there were no problematic communications to look at - meaning that the process were to be evaluated on its own merit. Would it survive a legal challenge? I don't think Judge Hilton addressed this very important point at all in his opinion.


+1000 the above is why Hilton's decision won't even be a relevant precedent for challenges to the next iteration of the TJ Admissions Process, as long as a new FCPS Superintendent takes the intelligent step of putting together an independent commission to design the new process that the School Board then votes on. This Board has already shown themselves incapable of handling this task.


You mean hide their racist intent better next time? So, they must be a racist and a better liar next time they implement their racist agenda.


+1 Asian Supremacists Unite! An admissions process that results in a 75% Asian class is appropriate because we are that much better than everyone else!


Troll! If you are really an Asian, you are a moron!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.


Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?


Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...


Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.


Blacks are about 10% of the population of Fairfax county. A smart Black kid is MUCH better served going to a base HS and if he does as well as his peers, he is almost guaranteed admission to a T-20 school. Who would such a kid want to struggle at TJ for the same outcome??? We ARE talking about smart kids and parents, right?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/


The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.


Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?


Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...


Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.


Blacks are about 10% of the population of Fairfax county. A smart Black kid is MUCH better served going to a base HS and if he does as well as his peers, he is almost guaranteed admission to a T-20 school. Who would such a kid want to struggle at TJ for the same outcome??? We ARE talking about smart kids and parents, right?


Unless the purpose of high school is to get the strongest high school education and experience you can.

The way some of you focus on college to the exclusion of everything else is hilarious and speaks volumes as to the collective groupthink issues in this community.
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